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[MetioricTest]

Firstly none of this actually happened, it's a bloody game.

Don't be pedantic. It actually happened in the game.

Second, if you believe everthing you see or hear then you should believe that elnora the merc didnt actually kill the volus, that samara is both nearly 1000 and about 600, and that you are not going to survive the suicide misssion.

And if we're allowed to blindly ignore things that happen because they disprove our arguments then debating/discussing anything is pointless.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

The place is exactly the same. An identical location.

So two different people went to the same place, a child and a grown up and had pretty much the same conversation...And Bioware gave us 1 for 3 three endings...And then another separate one for the 4th just to keep IT a secret?

This is your argument?

Yes. If they weren't going to announce IT in EC (which they didn't) they would have to change stargazer (they done that) it's not a positive or negative for either IT/literal

[MetioricTest]

RavenEyry wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

The place is exactly the same. An identical location.

So two different people went to the same place, a child and a grown up and had pretty much the same conversation...And Bioware gave us 1 for 3 three endings...And then another separate one for the 4th just to keep IT a secret?

This is your argument?

They're not trying to keep it secret. They've blatantly said several times they want to encourage multiple interpretations.

They want to encourage multiple interpretations by proving one interpretation is wrong?....  That's what the other guys argument is. They're trying to keep IT as the ultimate trump card by keeping it hidden and not obvious... By inventing fake scenes that trick you.


Ok....

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

They had the opportunity but didn't take it? Why not? They are never going to do another thing on the ending ever again, that was their last chance

So early? It's been 3 months, the "twist", if there really was one, should have come within the first month of release if not in the actual game

That's your opinion, that it should have come then, but it makes more of an effect the more time they take plus it also allows for a helluva lot more speculation and keeping discs in trays - their aim 

It's just a ridiculously crappy way to do a twist. Most people by now have forgotten about ME, it's old news now, although the core audience might still be interested. Not to mention they aren't ever going to do another ending. If you believe in IT, that is all you will ever get for your Shepard

[UltimateTobi]

paxxton wrote...

Yes, he shouldn't have said that. He overreacted and offended a lot of people. Besides, this is simply not true.

Well yes, maybe. But beside that, he's just human, like we. And we often get tempered too. Just look at Coolio.

His documentary will be blowing, I bet my ass.

[SubAstris]

It's 9/11 all over again for some people...

[Leonia]

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

Firstly none of this actually happened, it's a bloody game.

Don't be pedantic. It actually happened in the game.

Second, if you believe everthing you see or hear then you should believe that elnora the merc didnt actually kill the volus, that samara is both nearly 1000 and about 600, and that you are not going to survive the suicide misssion.

And if we're allowed to blindly ignore things that happen because they disprove our arguments then debating/discussing anything is pointless.

But this is what you're doing. You're ignoring our view basically, calling it wrong. There's no point debating with you as I needed to say the same thing 6 times before you paid attention.

We're not blindly ignoring things, we've said that the stargazer scenes do not prove IT, nor do they disprove it. I don't undertstand what your problem is, mate.

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...
And if we're allowed to blindly ignore things that happen because they disprove our arguments then debating/discussing anything is pointless.

People who support a face value ending blindly ignore plenty more than we do.

[SubAstris]

leonia42 wrote...

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.

Because there will be no future content on the ending again!

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...
That's what the other guys argument is.

You do realize we don't have a hive mind and many of us have very different interpretations of events?

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

They had the opportunity but didn't take it? Why not? They are never going to do another thing on the ending ever again, that was their last chance

So early? It's been 3 months, the "twist", if there really was one, should have come within the first month of release if not in the actual game

That's your opinion, that it should have come then, but it makes more of an effect the more time they take plus it also allows for a helluva lot more speculation and keeping discs in trays - their aim 

It's just a ridiculously crappy way to do a twist. Most people by now have forgotten about ME, it's old news now, although the core audience might still be interested. Not to mention they aren't ever going to do another ending. If you believe in IT, that is all you will ever get for your Shepard

This is you claiming to know what's going on at Bioware. You don't, so you can't just dismiss our theory because you disagree with it. Fine, you think it won't happen, we get that.

It's not crappy, it's spectacular. Most people who've forgotten about it don't care about ME and wouldn't really care about any DLC in all honesty. The core audience, the ones who play all 3 games a lot of times and who love the universe? No, they wouldn't bother catering to them. /sarcasm

[Simon_Says]

MetioricTest wrote...

How come the Stargazer changes if you pick reject?

Because, get this, the cycle fails if Shepard picked reject.

Control. Synthesis, and Destroy all involve accepting the Crucible as the key to victory, for better or worse. Reject means that even if Shepard survives, they'd communicate that the Crucible was a trap and so the the Council Cycle would be forced to fight the reapers conventionally. Except that they're stuck right in the middle of the greatest concentration of reaper forces already. In one swift stroke, the council cycle falls.

Hence the Stargazer is an alien woman in the distant future.

Even if Shepard is indoctrinated in Control/Synthesis, the reapers probably actually ceased fire temporarily. They have their indoctrinated agent under their complete domination, and the Council Cycle will follow them. Any story can be fabricated to disguise what really happened. The reapers have won, though Shepard and the cycle don't know it. Yet.

Hence the Stargazer is Buzz Aldrin in the not too distant future.

And of course if Shepard picks Destroy, the council cycle wins. Hence the Stargazer is Buzz Aldrin in the not too distant future.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 juillet 2012 - 03:04 .

[UltimateTobi]

SubAstris wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.

Because there will be no future content on the ending again!

I think that future DLC will at least add to the endings. Otherwhise there'd be no point in making further DLCs. If it'd just result in War Assets, I don't think anybody would be interested. Nearly all have at least 3100 EMS to see the "best" endings.
So, the DLCs MUST add to the endings, in one way or another.

[paxxton]

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yes, he shouldn't have said that. He overreacted and offended a lot of people. Besides, this is simply not true.

Well yes, maybe. But beside that, he's just human, like we. And we often get tempered too. Just look at Coolio.

His documentary will be blowing, I bet my ass.

Yeah, I suppose he'd just finished playing the EC and was pissed off that it merely added to the speculations basket. Nevertheless, he said what he said.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.

Because there will be no future content on the ending again!

Conjecture

[MetioricTest]

But this is what you're doing. You're ignoring our view basically, calling it wrong.

You're half right. I am calling it wrong.

Stargazer blatantly proves either that the end bit isn't a hallucination or it doesn't matter whether or not Shepard gets indoctrinated.

There's no point debating with you as I needed to say the same thing 6 times before you paid attention.

Would be better if you only said it once and then said something else.

We're not blindly ignoring things,

Kinda are

we've said that the stargazer scenes do not prove IT, nor do they disprove it. I don't undertstand what your problem is, mate.

Actually you said that it is a completely different scene in a different place implanted by Bioware to keep IT a hidden gem... With no explanation for it.

And I've never said it does or doesn't disprove IT. I'm saying it disproves the Catalyst bit is a hallunciation.

4 choices, 2 different futures.

Why does Synthesis Indoctrination and waking up and overcoming Indoctrination lead to the same future? But Reject indoctrination does not?

"They're trying not to prove IT!" is just a dissmissal. And an embarrasing one

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

They had the opportunity but didn't take it? Why not? They are never going to do another thing on the ending ever again, that was their last chance

So early? It's been 3 months, the "twist", if there really was one, should have come within the first month of release if not in the actual game

That's your opinion, that it should have come then, but it makes more of an effect the more time they take plus it also allows for a helluva lot more speculation and keeping discs in trays - their aim 

It's just a ridiculously crappy way to do a twist. Most people by now have forgotten about ME, it's old news now, although the core audience might still be interested. Not to mention they aren't ever going to do another ending. If you believe in IT, that is all you will ever get for your Shepard

This is you claiming to know what's going on at Bioware. You don't, so you can't just dismiss our theory because you disagree with it. Fine, you think it won't happen, we get that.

It's not crappy, it's spectacular. Most people who've forgotten about it don't care about ME and wouldn't really care about any DLC in all honesty. The core audience, the ones who play all 3 games a lot of times and who love the universe? No, they wouldn't bother catering to them. /sarcasm

I'm not claiming to know, I am merely reiterating what BW have said countless times. You might not like that fact, but that's your problem, sorry. No added DLC= no ending, no closure etc

And yet BW could have reached a much wider audience if they did it much earlier. If they put it out earlier, people would then be more likely to pay for DLC, given that now they have a complete game!

[CoolioThane]

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yes, he shouldn't have said that. He overreacted and offended a lot of people. Besides, this is simply not true.

Well yes, maybe. But beside that, he's just human, like we. And we often get tempered too. Just look at Coolio.

His documentary will be blowing, I bet my ass.

Hey!  I have had to repeat things many times. It gets frustrating xD

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.

Because there will be no future content on the ending again!

Conjecture

No, ice cold fact. Have you been listening to anything BW have said regarding the endings in the past few months?

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...

Stargazer blatantly proves either that the end bit isn't a hallucination or it doesn't matter whether or not Shepard gets indoctrinated.

To you it does. To many others it doesn't. You're saying we MUST be wrong because you personally disagree.

[lex0r11]

Please, to every new and old acquaintances, not everything posted by people in here represents to 100% the concepts and scenarios discussed in here for over 4000+ pages.

Also remember there is no absolute "way" it went down. Anyone who claims otherwise is hopefully talking for themselves. The same applies to "opinions" as the IT being abso****inglutley correct. Or 100% planned. These are again opinions, please mark them as such.

Just inb4 the usual, unnecessary flaming over absolutes begins again.

I'm am not aiming this directly at specific users who may or may not be already here.

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 juillet 2012 - 03:08 .