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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Simon_Says wrote...

Wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey(?) had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd.

Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


It's Walters that has the degree in Psychology.  And yes, Freud has been discredited, but that doesn't stop people from still thinking that his ideas are still widely accepted.  There's actually a trope related to the matter: All Psychology is Freudian. 
http://tvtropes.org/...ologyIsFreudian

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Otter, wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey Mac Walters had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd. If it was intentional at least. Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


Aw good catch. I did not know that Mac had an education in psychology.

Yeah I mentioned Frued because you're right, writers use him way too much even though alot of his work is no longer used. Knowing than TIM/Anderson/Shepard are not the Freudian trio.

That said I still think TIM/Anderson/Shepard are all the same person-Shepard...but uh, hmm, if anyone has some insight on this... I need to think about this.

Sociology major here, not psychology so my utility is limited here.:mellow:

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[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

It is time… for the Overlay-Time Hypthesis Part 1 with IT Supplemental for Everyone!

A smokingotter production

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“I wish you could see the Mass Effect 3 ending the same why I do… it’s so …perfect.”

(Part 2 will analyze Arrival DLC, and Part 3 will bring it all home with the ME3 Ending, hopefully I’ll have part 2 done tomorrow and part 3 done Monday… because you know I sorta kinda but not really have a life)

What if the ending to Mass Effect 3 was actually in the game? The Overlay-Time hypothesis (OTH) is a variation of the Indoctrination theory that attempts to reconcile comments made by Bioware writing team with content from ME Series and Codex.

I will argue through the three parts that the ending of ME3 is a mixture of hallucination,
inside Shepard’s brain (like how we were inside the Geth consensus), and that there is a significant time lag between
Shepard’s breathe scene and what happens in space. That the ME3 ending
both involves Shepard fighting the reapers on a subconscious and
conscious level; the former being an attempt at indoctrination and when
that fails the latter being an attempt to kill Shepard (Shepard, you
could have been useful).

The evidence I use is not mutually exclusive
(obviously) to my interpretation, not only do I wish to argue my case
but to strengthen IT as a whole. While not totally necessary it is highly suggested that readers play Arrival and Overlord for full comprehension of OTH. It is my belief that DLC Overlord and Arrival do a lot to set up the foundation for the ending of ME3.

Part 1: Project Overlord (Shortest but still important part)

When Shepard accesses the VI Console in Project Overlord he is hit with an energy field that lets him “see” the real world through a digital overlay.

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Okay I just like to point out that the Control panel that Shepard is at in the first picture. has the same grid lines when at the end of Shepard's choice. The camera pans out of a Normandy grid, that is the same pattern as the grid that you see when Shepard starts to see into a virtual world.

look at 10:57 of the video

www.youtube.com/watch

and tell me that does not look like the grid we see in the Overlord dlc, when Shepard activats the virtual world.

And to help out what I am talking about look at the picture, where it's showing Shepards omni tool. look at the screen next to Shepard's omni tool, and tell me that it does not look like the same grid as the on in the Normandys leaving the battlefield.

Modifié par masster blaster, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Otter, wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey Mac Walters had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd. If it was intentional at least. Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


Aw good catch. I did not know that Mac had an education in psychology.

Yeah I mentioned Frued because you're right, writers use him way too much even though alot of his work is no longer used. Knowing than TIM/Anderson/Shepard are not the Freudian trio.

That said I still think TIM/Anderson/Shepard are all the same person-Shepard...but uh, hmm, if anyone has some insight on this... I need to think about this.

Sociology major here, not psychology so my utility is limited here.:mellow:


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Flog61 wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Otter, wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey Mac Walters had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd. If it was intentional at least. Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


Aw good catch. I did not know that Mac had an education in psychology.

Yeah I mentioned Frued because you're right, writers use him way too much even though alot of his work is no longer used. Knowing than TIM/Anderson/Shepard are not the Freudian trio.

That said I still think TIM/Anderson/Shepard are all the same person-Shepard...but uh, hmm, if anyone has some insight on this... I need to think about this.

Sociology major here, not psychology so my utility is limited here.:mellow:


is it bad that i dont know the difference? Posted Image

Sociology is about societies (groups of people), psychology about individual minds. Am I right?

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Otter, wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey Mac Walters had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd. If it was intentional at least. Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


Aw good catch. I did not know that Mac had an education in psychology.

Yeah I mentioned Frued because you're right, writers use him way too much even though alot of his work is no longer used. Knowing than TIM/Anderson/Shepard are not the Freudian trio.

That said I still think TIM/Anderson/Shepard are all the same person-Shepard...but uh, hmm, if anyone has some insight on this... I need to think about this.

Sociology major here, not psychology so my utility is limited here.:mellow:

The freudian trio is still a common and effective enough literary device, so it may be worth mentioning as a possibility. I don't know practically anything current about psychology myself so... err... Jungian Archetypes? Maybe? I dunno.

Just had another thought. Bring Freud back in. With so many people with mommy/daddy issues throughout the series... yeah.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:38 .


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MetioricTest wrote...

^ So if Shepard is IT, it's fake.

But if he wakes up...The fake thing actually happened?

Wut?


One of the better explanatiations is that it's merely a message from Bioware to the fans saying "Hey, not done yet."

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No matter how many times I play overlord it is always creepy....

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CoolioThane wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm nineteen but I've been extremely cynical since about five if that counts.


Are you a fellow '93 er? 

I'm the opposite of cynical if that helps :P

November '92. Remembrance day actually, meaning every birthday the country is talking about millions of dead people, which really puts a cloud over the day.

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Rosewind wrote...

No matter how many times I play overlord it is always creepy....

"PLEASE! MAKE IT STOP!"

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RavenEyry wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm nineteen but I've been extremely cynical since about five if that counts.


Are you a fellow '93 er? 

I'm the opposite of cynical if that helps :P

November '92. Remembrance day actually, meaning every birthday the country is talking about millions of dead people, which really puts a cloud over the day.

  doesn't remembrance day happen on a different day each year?

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By the way, congrats Otter for shedding light on the whole purpose of the Overlord DLC.

Now we got Overlord DLC showing us how Shepard could be subverted from perceiving objective reality. We got Shadowbroker who closes up the plot arc of Shepard's death and resurrection and also introduces Glyph, the potential indoctrinating vector aboard the Normandy. And we got Arrival, where Shepard spends two days listening to reaper lullabies.

These three paint a familar picture...

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .


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Dammit, i gtg. Everyone try to stop paxx getting 1st post on page 2000 while i'm away :P

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Flog61 wrote...
doesn't remembrance day happen on a different day each year?

Remembrance day is always the eleventh. Remembrance Sunday is either the closest Sunday or the one after. I forget. Apparently a world war deserves two days.

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Flog61 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm nineteen but I've been extremely cynical since about five if that counts.


Are you a fellow '93 er? 

I'm the opposite of cynical if that helps :P

November '92. Remembrance day actually, meaning every birthday the country is talking about millions of dead people, which really puts a cloud over the day.

  doesn't remembrance day happen on a different day each year?

11/11??

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Flog61 wrote...

Dammit, i gtg. Everyone try to stop paxx getting 1st post on page 2000 while i'm away :P

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Samtheman63 wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm nineteen but I've been extremely cynical since about five if that counts.


Are you a fellow '93 er? 

I'm the opposite of cynical if that helps :P

November '92. Remembrance day actually, meaning every birthday the country is talking about millions of dead people, which really puts a cloud over the day.

  doesn't remembrance day happen on a different day each year?

11/11??


Thought that was only in australia....

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Rosewind wrote...

Thought that was only in australia....

Most of the former British Empire shares that date I believe. I know that the UK and Canada celebrate on 11/11.

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to mark the end of the "world" war?

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2 pages left...

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Hurry up! I can't wait. :D

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And now everyone's stopped talking because they want to ninja post #1 on page 2000. Nevermind that it's page 2001 that's the 2000th page.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:59 .


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Simon_Says wrote...

By the way, congrats Otter for shedding light on the whole purpose of the Overlord DLC.

Now we got Overlord DLC showing us how Shepard could be subverted from perceiving objective reality. We got Shadowbroker who closes up the plot arc of Shepard's death and resurrection and also introduces Glyph, the potential indoctrinating vector aboard the Normandy. And we got Arrival, where Shepard spends two days listening to reaper lullabies.

These three paint a familar picture...


The problem here however is ME2 had two lead writers where as ME3 had the one. 

Did you know Hastrom, the system in  which you meet Tali, was theorized to be under the effects of dark energy that was quickly consuming the star's mass. Then there was a building hypothesis that the Reaper's intent on harvesting life was to prevent advanced civilizations from ascertaining true control over dark energy that would likely destroy the Galaxy itself. 

But of course, that with a lot of ME2's side plots and small lore bits, were scrapped because the creative team was changed or certain individuals were removed.

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Simon_Says wrote...

And now everyone's stopped talking because they want to ninja post #1 on page 2000. Nevermind that it's page 2001 that's the 2000th page.

LOL. You're quite right.