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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#50001
Rosewind

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TSA_383 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Sorry if someone already pointed this out, but when Priestly says "you are just assuming Shepard is alive, it could very well be his last breath", that's just nonsense.

Why does it say 'ShepardAlive' in the game files then?

Besides, it's clearly an inhalation. There would be no point in showing his last breath.

That scene is clearly inserted to make you think 'Hey, what if it was all just a dream?'


Precisely.
And come on now:

Only one outcome shows the breath scene.
The other two main outcomes show you packed with reaper tech.
Every good character throughout the series pushes you away from the idea of control and synthesis.

How is this so hard for people to get?


Agreed and not to mention the EMs count as well.

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Well, now that that been settled, anything happen in the last few weeks?

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Well I'm off to get breakfast. Don't stop speculating without me.

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EpyonX3

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To celebrate 2000 I'd like to form a 4 man Krogan team on Origin. Who's with me?! Origin ID epyonx3!

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TSA_383

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SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And once again this is the danger of IT relying so heavily on possible future content to validate its existence.


Because there will be no future content on the ending again!


Conjecture


No, ice cold fact. Have you been listening to anything BW have said regarding the endings in the past few months?

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
WRONG WRONG WRONG WROOOONG!
[/scrubs reference]

Check out page 1977 for the scripts for DLC_Shared (shows script lines from DLC that appear in a scene not specific to any one DLC) with some new bits of catalyst script for leviathan ;)

At the very least, the conversation with the catalyst will be dramatically altered. I really wouldn't count on that not being reflected post-choice.

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Simon_Says wrote...

By the way, congrats Otter for shedding light on the whole purpose of the Overlord DLC.

Now we got Overlord DLC showing us how Shepard could be subverted from perceiving objective reality. We got Shadowbroker who closes up the plot arc of Shepard's death and resurrection and also introduces Glyph, the potential indoctrinating vector aboard the Normandy. And we got Arrival, where Shepard spends two days listening to reaper lullabies.

These three paint a familar picture...


It's all coming together :wizard:

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lex0r11

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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

How does Lex0r do it?

Counting to 25. Posted Image


EDIT:
OMG, the real page 2000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


Is that so? A page doesn't need to be full to be a page.

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Simon_Says wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Otter, wasn't Freud's theories basically universally discredited looong time ago? I think Arian keeps bringing it up that Casey Mac Walters had an education in psychology so involving Freud would seem... odd. Not implausible but odd. If it was intentional at least. Authors who bring up Freud usually either bring him up because he's all they know of psychology or in order to take the ****** out of him.


Aw good catch. I did not know that Mac had an education in psychology.

Yeah I mentioned Frued because you're right, writers use him way too much even though alot of his work is no longer used. Knowing than TIM/Anderson/Shepard are not the Freudian trio.

That said I still think TIM/Anderson/Shepard are all the same person-Shepard...but uh, hmm, if anyone has some insight on this... I need to think about this.

Sociology major here, not psychology so my utility is limited here.:mellow:

The freudian trio is still a common and effective enough literary device, so it may be worth mentioning as a possibility. I don't know practically anything current about psychology myself so... err... Jungian Archetypes? Maybe? I dunno.

Just had another thought. Bring Freud back in. With so many people with mommy/daddy issues throughout the series... yeah.


Well in that case....

TIM= ID, lust power control, selfish wants and needs
Superego= Sometimes referred to as father figure, Anderson fits this perfectly
Ego= Shepard trying to reconcile the conflicting parts of his psyche as they battle for control of his orbitofrontal cortex (part of the limbic system)

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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

How does Lex0r do it?

Counting to 25. Posted Image


EDIT:
OMG, the real page 2000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


nope.avi

If we were talking about the start of the millenium, it'd be 2001, but the real page 2000 is the page that says 2000.

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[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...


[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

It is time… for the Overlay-Time Hypthesis Part 1 with IT Supplemental for Everyone!

A smokingotter production

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“I wish you could see the Mass Effect 3 ending the same why I do… it’s so …perfect.”

(Part 2 will analyze Arrival DLC, and Part 3 will bring it all home with the ME3 Ending, hopefully I’ll have part 2 done tomorrow and part 3 done Monday… because you know I sorta kinda but not really have a life)

What if the ending to Mass Effect 3 was actually in the game? The Overlay-Time hypothesis (OTH) is a variation of the Indoctrination theory that attempts to reconcile comments made by Bioware writing team with content from ME Series and Codex.

I will argue through the three parts that the ending of ME3 is a mixture of hallucination,
inside Shepard’s brain (like how we were inside the Geth consensus), and that there is a significant time lag between
Shepard’s breathe scene and what happens in space. That the ME3 ending
both involves Shepard fighting the reapers on a subconscious and
conscious level; the former being an attempt at indoctrination and when
that fails the latter being an attempt to kill Shepard (Shepard, you
could have been useful).

The evidence I use is not mutually exclusive
(obviously) to my interpretation, not only do I wish to argue my case
but to strengthen IT as a whole. While not totally necessary it is highly suggested that readers play Arrival and Overlord for full comprehension of OTH. It is my belief that DLC Overlord and Arrival do a lot to set up the foundation for the ending of ME3.

Part 1: Project Overlord (Shortest but still important part)

When Shepard accesses the VI Console in Project Overlord he is hit with an energy field that lets him “see” the real world through a digital overlay.

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Okay I just like to point out that the Control panel that Shepard is at in the first picture. has the same grid lines when at the end of Shepard's choice. The camera pans out of a Normandy grid, that is the same pattern as the grid that you see when Shepard starts to see into a virtual world.

look at 10:57 of the video

www.youtube.com/watch

and tell me that does not look like the grid we see in the Overlord dlc, when Shepard activats the virtual world.

And to help out what I am talking about look at the picture, where it's showing Shepards omni tool. look at the screen next to Shepard's omni tool, and tell me that it does not look like the same grid as the on in the Normandys leaving the battlefield.

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You're right. It is the same grid as when the Normandy crew is running about and next scene Joker is trying to outrun the crucible.

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So does this help to IT yes or no?

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UltimateTobi

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lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

#50012
paxxton

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@byne @lex0r11: Yeah, you both seem right. But I'm happy nevertheless.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .


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CoolioThane

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UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:


It's not our fault! We weren't here when they made the list I don't think :)

EDIT: It is our fault xD

Modifié par CoolioThane, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

Don't be sad, I wasn't on the list for at least a month ;)

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Arian Dynas

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TSA_383 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

Don't be sad, I wasn't on the list for at least a month ;)


EVERYONE gets on the list. PERIOD. Lex0r, feel free to add anyone you see, you do not need my permission, to add people. The only caveat is you do not remove anyone unless their name is a duplication.

#50016
RavenEyry

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I'm also not on the list, which I take as a personal insult! *Takes of glove and slaps Arian on the cheek* Good sir! I challenge you to pistols at dawn!

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[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...


[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

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Okay I just like to point out that the Control panel that Shepard is at in the first picture. has the same grid lines when at the end of Shepard's choice. The camera pans out of a Normandy grid, that is the same pattern as the grid that you see when Shepard starts to see into a virtual world.

look at 10:57 of the video

www.youtube.com/watch

and tell me that does not look like the grid we see in the Overlord dlc, when Shepard activats the virtual world.

And to help out what I am talking about look at the picture, where it's showing Shepards omni tool. look at the screen next to Shepard's omni tool, and tell me that it does not look like the same grid as the on in the Normandys leaving the battlefield.

[/quote]

You're right. It is the same grid as when the Normandy crew is running about and next scene Joker is trying to outrun the crucible.

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So does this help to IT yes or no?

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Hard to say. Doesn't hurt. I'm going to explain in detail overlay time hypothesis which would state that part of the post crucible beam shot is a mixture of reality, Shepard's mind racing to escape indoctrination, and reaper induced hallucination.

1. So reality
2. fantasy with real concequences
3, and just pure fantasy.

This is reality. However just when the crucible beam overtakes the racing Normandy in every ending (except refuse) you get: White Halo Transition!!!

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and then dream planet where the "crew" exits out of a crashed Normandy.

#50018
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Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

Don't be sad, I wasn't on the list for at least a month ;)


EVERYONE gets on the list. PERIOD. Lex0r, feel free to add anyone you see, you do not need my permission, to add people. The only caveat is you do not remove anyone unless their name is a duplication.

Hey, lex0r11, you can also put my name a bit higher without permission. lol

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .


#50019
lex0r11

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byne wrote...

Lex0r, if you want, you can put yourself back as #2 on the list. You have redeemed yourself from making me disappoint last time.



Arian Dynas wrote...

Lex0r, before you complain about not feeling right editing of modifying the list, you have my permission, format and add people as you like, remove duplication, but no one may be removed unless their name appears first.



*does as commanded*

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .


#50020
lex0r11

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paxxton wrote...

[...]

Hey, lex0r11, you can also put my name a bit higher without permission. lol



Don't take this the wrong way, but with all the spamming crosstalk from you and others about page 2000 for DAYS?

I remember some people wanting to report your name on the list rather than putting it up, lulz. :blink:

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .


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Phew, I'm finally home again from my trip! Damn, it really feels good to sit on my own bed!

Anyway, anything new?

#50022
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ya missed me on that list of yours, im glad to count myself among your numbers.

#50023
paxxton

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lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

[...]

Hey, lex0r11, you can also put my name a bit higher without permission. lol



Don't take this the wrong way, but with all the spamming crosstalk from you and others about page 2000?

I remember some people wanting to report your name on the list rather than putting it up, lulz. Posted Image

LOL. Rosewind likes me too much to report me.

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estebanus wrote...

Phew, I'm finally home again from my trip! Damn, it really feels good to sit on my own bed!

Anyway, anything new?

There was a Q&A that basically confirmed the IT stuff was put in on purpose, but no word on if they intend to expand on it.

#50025
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NO! I missed page 2000!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!