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[zigamortis]

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

I took his "just trolling" comment to either refer to the rebar falling and Shepard dying, or he had just realized what he said, or both.

I can't imagine they'd be hiding this at this point. They've explained away some of the plot holes in the ending, they explained the dreams and the shadows of people and they admit that the original plan was to leave the ending open to interpretation. They also state that there's no canon ending. IT would be a canon ending.

For the endings to be open to interpretation, they have to be taken literally first. Otherwise, you'd have to wonder if the whole series was a dream.

Idk i still think that the dreams fit the way it was explained by them within IT and just because they say theirs no cannon ending does not mean that the "Endings" we got are the actual endings..... and the fact they had to explain something out of game is just stupid either make it obvious or reveal it in game.

The actual endings are what we got. The interpretation, however, is up to the player. This is what allows a thoery like IT to exist.

Casey Hudson said in an interview that EC e,xplains the issues that they felt was implied by the way it was presented. Since a lot of people didn't "get it," they made it easier by expanding. Some thought he meant he was going to expand on IT but he expanded on the literal ending.

He also expanded on the IT in extended cut and provided a few more clues. while also taking out a few in the process. The endings are still odd, and i dont think they are going to keep them as they are forever, that would just be stupid on their part.

[Big_Boss9]

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

[EpyonX3]

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

I took his "just trolling" comment to either refer to the rebar falling and Shepard dying, or he had just realized what he said, or both.

I can't imagine they'd be hiding this at this point. They've explained away some of the plot holes in the ending, they explained the dreams and the shadows of people and they admit that the original plan was to leave the ending open to interpretation. They also state that there's no canon ending. IT would be a canon ending.

For the endings to be open to interpretation, they have to be taken literally first. Otherwise, you'd have to wonder if the whole series was a dream.

Idk i still think that the dreams fit the way it was explained by them within IT and just because they say theirs no cannon ending does not mean that the "Endings" we got are the actual endings..... and the fact they had to explain something out of game is just stupid either make it obvious or reveal it in game.

The actual endings are what we got. The interpretation, however, is up to the player. This is what allows a thoery like IT to exist.

Casey Hudson said in an interview that EC e,xplains the issues that they felt was implied by the way it was presented. Since a lot of people didn't "get it," they made it easier by expanding. Some thought he meant he was going to expand on IT but he expanded on the literal ending.

He also expanded on the IT in extended cut and provided a few more clues. while also taking out a few in the process. The endings are still odd, and i dont think they are going to keep them as they are forever, that would just be stupid on their part.

"Clues" are just more ambigous plot devices to keep the ending from being to close to canon. So IT would still benefit from those.

[EpyonX3]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Dunno but I think ME4 will have Shepard as the protagonist if IT is left for ME4.

[zigamortis]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

while entirely possible to do a prequal type deal it would be pointless. EA is a buisness, they exist to make money. If they cant make enough profit or they think that something will not return a large enough sum of cash, they wont back it. So since the majority of people will not buy a mass effect prequel because they already know that the ending is the ending and it is TERRIBLE. So all in all it is possible but Improbable until they fix the ending and extrapolate more on the data we were givin.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

[in TIM's voice] That's not true.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .

[EpyonX3]

zigamortis wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

while entirely possible to do a prequal type deal it would be pointless. EA is a buisness, they exist to make money. If they cant make enough profit or they think that something will not return a large enough sum of cash, they wont back it. So since the majority of people will not buy a mass effect prequel because they already know that the ending is the ending and it is TERRIBLE. So all in all it is possible but Improbable until they fix the ending and extrapolate more on the data we were givin.

I don't know about that. I'd love to play a ME prequel. Rachni and Contact war would definitly peak my interest.

[zigamortis]

paxxton wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Dunno but I think ME4 will have Shepard as the protagonist if IT is left for ME4.

If they leave it for ME4 most people would be insulted. but it is possible, but i believe that it will either be proved by the next few dlcs or it will never be proved.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

[in TIM's voice] That's not true.

[Shepard's Voice] It is!

[zigamortis]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

[Big_Boss9]

zigamortis wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

since the majority of people will not buy a mass effect prequel

Sheer conjecture. The majority of people who buy games now are casual gamers and that's generally who EA caters to. They'll do their own marketing focus groups and make their decision that way. It's not out of the question, was my point.

[zigamortis]

@ big_boss
I never said it wasnt out of the question but simply improbable.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

[in TIM's voice] That's not true.

[Shepard's Voice] It is!

Seriously, it's impossible. The story is cut in the middle.

[EpyonX3]

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Well of course Shepard can be mentioned. He's a very important person in the universe. But it won't star him or have little to do with him. He'll be easter egg material.

[Big_Boss9]

zigamortis wrote...

@ big_boss
I never said it wasnt out of the question but simply improbable.

Your assertion is based on the false presumption that the majority of people wouldn't buy a prequel. The fact is, the majority of people don't visit forums, don't engage in these discussions, and probably don't even know what IT is. They buy the games, play them, and move on. That's EA's primary audience. Bioware is different, of course, but they're now under EA's umbrella. They have some freedom, naturally, and want to cater to their hardcore audience as well, but an ME prequel would sell well among that larger group. Let's see what they do with the SP DLC over the next 6-12 months. That should give us some indication, I would think.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:25 .

[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Unless he took his last breath...

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:23 .

[paxxton]

2012 is now.

[zigamortis]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ big_boss
I never said it wasnt out of the question but simply improbable.

Your assertion is based on the false presumption that the majority of people wouldn't buy a prequel. The fact is, the majority of people don't visit forums, don't engage in these discussions, and probably don't even know what IT is. They buy the games, play them, and move on. That's EA's primary audience. Bioware is different, of course, but they're now under EA's umbrella. They have some freedom, naturally, and want to cater to their hardcore audience as well, but an ME prequel would sell well among that larger group.

Perhaps i should clarify. when i say Majority i am refering to the hardcore fans, You know the ones that you want to keep since they buy the most merchandise and purchase all the dlc and buy the other content like books and comics and ios games and etc. The people who spend the most money in the long term are the hardcore fans, the people who keep comming back.

[zigamortis]

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Well of course Shepard can be mentioned. He's a very important person in the universe. But it won't star him or have little to do with him. He'll be easter egg material.

Possibly. I just hope for mentor shep, lots of interesting possibilitys. think of it, they could take all of your choices in to account and make your shep either advise you like a renegade or a paragon or if you kind of split your desicions in the 3 games and dlc he would be nuteral.

[Big_Boss9]

zigamortis wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ big_boss
I never said it wasnt out of the question but simply improbable.

Your assertion is based on the false presumption that the majority of people wouldn't buy a prequel. The fact is, the majority of people don't visit forums, don't engage in these discussions, and probably don't even know what IT is. They buy the games, play them, and move on. That's EA's primary audience. Bioware is different, of course, but they're now under EA's umbrella. They have some freedom, naturally, and want to cater to their hardcore audience as well, but an ME prequel would sell well among that larger group.

Perhaps i should clarify. when i say Majority i am refering to the hardcore fans, You know the ones that you want to keep since they buy the most merchandise and purchase all the dlc and buy the other content like books and comics and ios games and etc. The people who spend the most money in the long term are the hardcore fans, the people who keep comming back.

Perhaps individually, but when looking at a hypothetical pie chart of the percentage of profits, I find it hard to believe that a handful of people who buy every piece of ME material would overcome a bigger group who just buy the game. Now we're just speculating without any empirical data, though, and that's not productive. Let me just say this, if Bioware were still operating independantly, I would have a lot more faith where they might be going. Now that they're in EA's sphere, it causes more than a little concern.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:33 .

[Big_Boss9]

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Well of course Shepard can be mentioned. He's a very important person in the universe. But it won't star him or have little to do with him. He'll be easter egg material.

Possibly. I just hope for mentor shep, lots of interesting possibilitys. think of it, they could take all of your choices in to account and make your shep either advise you like a renegade or a paragon or if you kind of split your desicions in the 3 games and dlc he would be nuteral.

I would rather him as a mentor. Prefer to start with a new toon next time around whenever (and if) we get to a future installment involving Shep.

[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Well of course Shepard can be mentioned. He's a very important person in the universe. But it won't star him or have little to do with him. He'll be easter egg material.

Possibly. I just hope for mentor shep, lots of interesting possibilitys. think of it, they could take all of your choices in to account and make your shep either advise you like a renegade or a paragon or if you kind of split your desicions in the 3 games and dlc he would be nuteral.

Hmm... That might work if the events in 4 would be somehow tied to the previous games so that we see a lot of references. And Shepard should be prominent (like a crewmember). Though it might be that if ME4 didn't have Shepard as a protagonist, his role would be like Picard's in Deep Space Nine.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:34 .

[zigamortis]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ big_boss
I never said it wasnt out of the question but simply improbable.

Your assertion is based on the false presumption that the majority of people wouldn't buy a prequel. The fact is, the majority of people don't visit forums, don't engage in these discussions, and probably don't even know what IT is. They buy the games, play them, and move on. That's EA's primary audience. Bioware is different, of course, but they're now under EA's umbrella. They have some freedom, naturally, and want to cater to their hardcore audience as well, but an ME prequel would sell well among that larger group.

Perhaps i should clarify. when i say Majority i am refering to the hardcore fans, You know the ones that you want to keep since they buy the most merchandise and purchase all the dlc and buy the other content like books and comics and ios games and etc. The people who spend the most money in the long term are the hardcore fans, the people who keep comming back.

Perhaps individually, but when looking at a hypothetical pie chart of the percentage of profits, I find it hard to believe that a handful of people who buy every piece of ME material would overcome a bigger group who just buy the game. Now we're just speculating without any empirical data, though, and that's not productive.

Im saying that over the course of the games lifespan they will spend more than the casual gamer. Its more long term cash than quick cash. so like i said its better to try and keep the hardcore fans and make minor changes (or major so long as they dont break the core and insult the hardcore fans) to keep up a constant revinue stream. 

[zigamortis]

paxxton wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

@ paxxton
I cant talk for everyone but i think they should establish a cannon and have shepard as the mentor (perhaps the protagonist in the prologue) and have a new protagonist in ME4.

Alternatively, they could also stall a "future" installment and pull a Halo: Reach. There's no guarantee that the next ME title will pick up where this left off (or shortly after).

Shepard's story is done. Future ME games will have to be prequels or a new threat thousands of years later.

True and False all at the same time. Bioware is not dumb enough to scrap shepard. they might not have him as protagonist but he will not be gone from the ME series. same with the rest of the squad. 

Well of course Shepard can be mentioned. He's a very important person in the universe. But it won't star him or have little to do with him. He'll be easter egg material.

Possibly. I just hope for mentor shep, lots of interesting possibilitys. think of it, they could take all of your choices in to account and make your shep either advise you like a renegade or a paragon or if you kind of split your desicions in the 3 games and dlc he would be nuteral.

Hmm... That might work if the events in 4 would be somehow tied to the previous games so that we see a lot of references. And Shepard should be prominent (like a crewmember). Though it might be that if ME4 didn't have Shepard as a protagonist, his role would be like Picard's in Deep Space Nine.

Shep as the XO or a squad mate would be interesting. but i think he would be better placed as mentor.