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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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From another thread:

Alamar2078 wrote...

[IMHO] The reason that IT won't die is simply because that folks that don't like the Catalyst twist really do think a "dream" is better than the endings we got involving StarBrat.

There are still a few nuggets of IT that B/W added just to keep things going like Harby's garbled voice [Serve Us???] Having StarBrat speak in the Reaper voice didn't help [refusal]. Having Shep in concrete & rebar instead of "more citadel looking materials" didn't help either.

Really IT is still around because B/W doesn't want to squash it. BW seems to WANT these sorts of threads & discussions going on ...

YMMV.


...Bioware wants these sorts of discussions...
...So obviously the point is totally invalid...

*eh?*
I don't understand the logic.

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TSA_383 wrote...

...Bioware wants these sorts of discussions...
...So obviously the point is totally invalid...

*eh?*
I don't understand the logic.

They see me speculating, they hatin'.

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TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, now that's officially creepy as hell.

So, what do you think he's doing? It's more like looking evil. Don't know if he's grinning though.

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TSA_383 wrote...

From another thread:

Alamar2078 wrote...

[IMHO] The reason that IT won't die is simply because that folks that don't like the Catalyst twist really do think a "dream" is better than the endings we got involving StarBrat.

There are still a few nuggets of IT that B/W added just to keep things going like Harby's garbled voice [Serve Us???] Having StarBrat speak in the Reaper voice didn't help [refusal]. Having Shep in concrete & rebar instead of "more citadel looking materials" didn't help either.

Really IT is still around because B/W doesn't want to squash it. BW seems to WANT these sorts of threads & discussions going on ...

YMMV.


...Bioware wants these sorts of discussions...
...So obviously the point is totally invalid...

*eh?*
I don't understand the logic.


Also calling the Indoctrination a dream is a very imprecise term. The Indoctrination Halucination will have very real consequences for Shepard once he wakes up and possibly more (see Waking Nightmare Theory)

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UltimateTobi wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, now that's officially creepy as hell.

So, what do you think he's doing? It's more like looking evil. Don't know if he's grinning though.


that is creepy and do you mind checking what I posted on Brainstorming for part 3 on the Clevernoob site. Also should you show this to Julian yes or no.

Modifié par masster blaster, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .


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@UltimateTobi: It's more of a smile of a nasty troll after he succeeded in doing a trick.

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paxxton wrote...

@UltimateTobi: It's more of a smile of a nasty troll after he succeeded in doing a trick.



And they say children are cute. Not this one.

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TSA and how much you wan bet that the old tongue for Harbinger is Catalyst,.

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masster blaster wrote...

and do you mind checking what I posted on Brainstorming for part 3 on the Clevernoob site. Also should you show this to Julian yes or no.

I checked it, it's good. Would be better if you could provide the links otter provided here as well. Would help Julian a lot, instead of himself crawling on YT searching for fitting videos.

paxxton wrote...

@UltimateTobi: It's more of a smile of a nasty troll after he succeeded in doing a trick.

He trolled Shepard. :P

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Eryri wrote...

A few pages ago I was interested to read (sorry I can't remember the poster's name, I think it might have been Dwailing) a post theorising that Destroy represents the option to jolt Shepard completely out of the illusion, but Reject just leaves him hanging, and Control and Synthesis leaves him/her indoctrinated, but open to being temporarily jolted out of it with an intervention from the crew or L.I. 

-snip-

I'm also really intrigued by the idea that the crucible is a reaper trap, and all three original options are designed by the reapers, hence the Catalyst's annoyance if all three are rejected. Synthesis is their ultimate goal, but they're also happy with Control - as they know they can eventually corrupt the Shepard construct and turn it to their point of view.

-snip-



Good ideas, especially incorporating the Baldur's gate dream upgrade.

However, why did the Reapers move the Citadel? My answer is that they thought the Alliance Crucible was a threat, probably.

The tricking Shepard idea has potential, but I think the Catalyst is actually the Citadel. After all, as a comparison, the Shadow Broker is almost never seen but exists. For the Reapers, the most sensible plan of action would include the concealment of the core leadership.

Would this be paid DLC or free? I have a poll going if anyone is interested:

http://social.biowar...48/polls/37129/

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masster blaster wrote...

TSA and how much you wan bet that the old tongue for Harbinger is Catalyst,.

0% - It's confirmed that it's Mark Meer's voice-over.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, now that's officially creepy as hell.

So, what do you think he's doing? It's more like looking evil. Don't know if he's grinning though.


Don't know why he wouldn't be grinning the whole time. Overlay theory:

Control/Synthesis= Shepard is spared but his character/indentity is destroyed and coopeted. Reapers win :devil:

His indentity is replaced:

Image IPB

Destroy: change reality so that the only way Shepard can choose to fight reapers is to walk into harbiger beam, death (reapers win):devil:

Refuse: Shepard gives up on trying to get to conduit to fight reapers. Without jarring explosion his reality is still warped by reapers. No one makes it to conduit, reapers win :devil:


The child should be smiling the whole time, I would if I was Harbinger.

Fun fact: even if your Shepard's face is totally scared up from renegade options your double in the third dream always has fixed skin. Proof

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masster blaster wrote...
And they say children are cute. Not this one.

I've never found children cute so I'm quick to consider this child an evil illusion monster.

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RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
And they say children are cute. Not this one.

I've never found children cute so I'm quick to consider this child an evil illusion monster.

This child looks creepy.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Fun fact: even if your Shepard's face is totally scared up from renegade options your double in the third dream always has fixed skin. Proof

Maybe BioWare intended "something" with this. I mean, it's obvious. Especially it's yourself, who gets mirrored.

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Can you see how narrow the child's pupils are? A giveaway he's possessed by the devil! Image IPB

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:11 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

and do you mind checking what I posted on Brainstorming for part 3 on the Clevernoob site. Also should you show this to Julian yes or no.

I checked it, it's good. Would be better if you could provide the links otter provided here as well. Would help Julian a lot, instead of himself crawling on YT searching for fitting videos.

paxxton wrote...

@UltimateTobi: It's more of a smile of a nasty troll after he succeeded in doing a trick.

He trolled Shepard. :P


I just made the changes to help Julian.

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paxxton wrote...

Can you see how narrow the child's pupils are? A giveaway he's possessed by the devil! Image IPB

In which picture?

In otter's it's like Shepard :unsure::crying: and child looking :devil::devil::devil:,

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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Can you see how narrow the child's pupils are? A giveaway he's possessed by the devil! Image IPB

In which picture?

In otter's it's like Shepard :unsure::crying: and child looking :devil::devil::devil:,

Even just before he boards a shuttle in Vancouver.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:16 .


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masster blaster wrote...

I just made the changes to help Julian.

Yeah, good summary. I gave it a Like.

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Hey guys. Anyone feel up for some MP?

#50797
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estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. Anyone feel up for some MP?


PC sorry.

#50798
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estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. Anyone feel up for some MP?


in a couple of minutes!

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. Anyone feel up for some MP?


PC sorry.

Uhm... I'm on PC.

#50800
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estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. Anyone feel up for some MP?

Microsoft gets no more money than necessary from me, so no.