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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, Shepard's new lines when speaking to the catalyst - this is from the older version of the leak as I'm on my laptop, we don't have the catalyst's own lines in this:

"The Leviathans created you, didn't they?"
"Tell me what you know about the Leviathans."
"But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them."
"Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?"

Obviously this comes from an early copy which may be amended by anything between now and the leviathan DLC, but I can't see how the "catalyst" can get around these questions without the ending being altered...

Can you show a link to somewhere i can read this myself in a leak? Not that i dont trust you i just like to be sure on "Leaks" especialy interesting ones like that.

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zigamortis wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, Shepard's new lines when speaking to the catalyst - this is from the older version of the leak as I'm on my laptop, we don't have the catalyst's own lines in this:

"The Leviathans created you, didn't they?"
"Tell me what you know about the Leviathans."
"But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them."
"Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?"

Obviously this comes from an early copy which may be amended by anything between now and the leviathan DLC, but I can't see how the "catalyst" can get around these questions without the ending being altered...

Can you show a link to somewhere i can read this myself in a leak? Not that i dont trust you i just like to be sure on "Leaks" especialy interesting ones like that.


http://www.giantbomb...lers/35-552584/ 

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Rifneno wrote...

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And they say children are cute. Not this one.

I've never found children cute so I'm quick to consider this child an evil illusion monster.


I agree completely.  I always get crap for not finding small, misshappen people to be adorable.  My neices keep having kids and they always come and show me the kid and expect me to oogle over it.  I keep telling them: I have a penis, I don't care about other people's kids, go away.  Never listen.  <sigh>

So anyway, do you guys think control and synthesis are equally bad or one is worse than the other?  I used to be in the "synthesis is worse" camp, but after seeing the similarities between the control option and the most potent indoctrination device known to exist...  well...


I think that Synthesis is worse.  Also, I think the Conduit deploys some kind of nanites either on the way up or once you get to the Citadel.  It would be ironic.  You choose the option that creates organic/synthetic hybrids, and you DO get turned into an organic/synthetic hybrid.  Only problem is that it's a Paul Grayson style monster rather than the idyllic future folk style that you see in Synthesis.

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zigamortis wrote...

Can you show a link to somewhere i can read this myself in a leak? Not that i dont trust you i just like to be sure on "Leaks" especialy interesting ones like that.

It was in the EC files, so its a more trustworthy leak than that ending script.

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I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?

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SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


Well, it certainly suggests that there is more going on than it being just some slightly creepy looking kid thing.

Also, did you hear that the Catalyst's voice is coming partially from Shepard's memory?  Yeah, it's something more than just a benevolent glowing-kid-thing.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 juillet 2012 - 08:26 .


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SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)

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Why am I not on the list again? :(

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LtBehemoth wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, Shepard's new lines when speaking to the catalyst - this is from the older version of the leak as I'm on my laptop, we don't have the catalyst's own lines in this:

"The Leviathans created you, didn't they?"
"Tell me what you know about the Leviathans."
"But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them."
"Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?"

Obviously this comes from an early copy which may be amended by anything between now and the leviathan DLC, but I can't see how the "catalyst" can get around these questions without the ending being altered...

Can you show a link to somewhere i can read this myself in a leak? Not that i dont trust you i just like to be sure on "Leaks" especialy interesting ones like that.


http://www.giantbomb...lers/35-552584/ 

Ty good sir.

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Chriz also wants in on the list.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!

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FellishBeast wrote...

Why am I not on the list again? :(

Thats not fair, even I'm on the list and I'm just here to politely agree with everyone. Try pming lex0r.

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Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!


No, he said something to the effect of they didn't want Shepard shaking his fist at a Harbinger, Sovereign, or Reaper-type hologram since they'd done that in all the other games. So he didn't say he was Harbinger. The link up there goes directly to that answer, so you can give it a listen yourself.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 20 juillet 2012 - 08:36 .


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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!


No, he said something to the effect of they didn't want Shepard shaking his fist at a Harbinger, Sovereign, or Reaper-type hologram since they'd done that in all the other games. So he didn't say he was Harbinger.


And just like that, that magic was gone. :crying::crying::crying:

#50840
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RavenEyry wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Can you show a link to somewhere i can read this myself in a leak? Not that i dont trust you i just like to be sure on "Leaks" especialy interesting ones like that.

It was in the EC files, so its a more trustworthy leak than that ending script.

I wasnt saying it was not valid i was saying that i havent seen it in the EC so i wanted a link to look through again.

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Dwailing wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!


No, he said something to the effect of they didn't want Shepard shaking his fist at a Harbinger, Sovereign, or Reaper-type hologram since they'd done that in all the other games. So he didn't say he was Harbinger.


And just like that, that magic was gone. :crying::crying::crying:


Someone was kind enough to type out a lot of these answers earlier in the thread, but sadly I do not remember the page. Perhaps the person who did it could chime in.

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Dwailing wrote...
And just like that, that magic was gone. :crying::crying::crying:

Not really. It still seems to indicate Mr. Sparkle is a reaper and not their benevolent creator.

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Interesting i never read that part before.... and as leviathan being a species does that mean that all of the reaper names are the names of the species that comprise it like nazara for instance?

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Dwailing wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!


No, he said something to the effect of they didn't want Shepard shaking his fist at a Harbinger, Sovereign, or Reaper-type hologram since they'd done that in all the other games. So he didn't say he was Harbinger.


And just like that, that magic was gone. :crying::crying::crying:


You know if something ain't broke. I never got tired of shaking my fist at Harbinger. What did they think gamers were thinking? "Aw man, Harbinger again? Can't they replace him with some snooty nosed kid plz?"

Nintendo has been using bowser for years, why? Because it works.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
And just like that, that magic was gone. :crying::crying::crying:

Not really. It still seems to indicate Mr. Sparkle is a reaper and not their benevolent creator.


Well, he can never be benevolent because he's (at the very best) only doing what his programming tells him to: solving the Synth vs Organics problem.

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So all the Leviathan DLC adds to the ending is some dialogue? -.-

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Rosewind wrote...

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Rosewind wrote...

Why have they not fixed the glitchyness with vanguards if they die when they charge ...... makes it so had to play.


MP bug?  Fix?  What?


If I activate charge right as I die I glitch out I jump all over the place fall threw the floor fly up into the sky that kind of thing. Only happens on any of my vanguards.

It also happens with me, that's why i stopped using vanguards.

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FellishBeast wrote...

So all the Leviathan DLC adds to the ending is some dialogue? -.-


That's all we know SO FAR.  It's quite possible that there WILL be more included in the actual DLC.  Remember, this is just part of the script, not the whole thing.

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zigamortis wrote...

Interesting i never read that part before.... and as leviathan being a species does that mean that all of the reaper names are the names of the species that comprise it like nazara for instance?


Maybe, but it would be funny to call Harperd Human, for Sheaprd's Reaper name.

Modifié par masster blaster, 20 juillet 2012 - 09:01 .


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FellishBeast wrote...

So all the Leviathan DLC adds to the ending is some dialogue? -.-

If there's ever a 'big reveal' DLC, it's likely to be the last one, not the first.