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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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So all the Leviathan DLC adds to the ending is some dialogue? -.-


That's all we know SO FAR.  It's quite possible that there WILL be more included in the actual DLC.  Remember, this is just part of the script, not the whole thing.


It would be funny if the dlc is 10 GB, or 7 GB. Then you know that it's not just a dlc, but THE dlc.

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Ok, you convinced me that I was wrong about "Shepard's" helmet. Probably I got something wrong.
Then what the point of this slide? Is it should represent all soldiers were lost in this war? Why it shows at "sacrifice" section where you can see everyone you lost? I don't remember anyone close to me with this helmet.
And why it shows in every ending (well, except for reject)? Even in low ems destroy it shows without others sacrifice-slides. There soldier (who, incidentally, must be dead because of the crucible energy) gets this helmet from the wreckage.


Oh and did you noticed that Richard L. Jenkins disappeared for memorial wall at the end? He was the first loss we have experienced in the game.:?
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Wait he is missing. humm never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

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masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.

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List updated. Everyone else should message me, like it says in the actual post.

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FellishBeast wrote...

So all the Leviathan DLC adds to the ending is some dialogue? -.-


Unknown.

The only reason they add the subtitles into the packages early like this is because that way they don't have to repackage those scenes for the Leviathan DLC.

The EC, for example, was unplanned, and as a result they had to repackage every scene that had new dialogue, and the download ended up being massive.

But, they added the dialog from leviathan (some as straight-up dialog, and some references to currently non-existant calls) for the bits that take place in scenes that already exist in the game (choice sequence & onboard the normandy).

So, we know that there's new dialog within the choice sequence, but the catalyst's replies are just referenced (to another file) and any other new content at this point is just speculation, because we don't have the full DLC yet ;)

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Dwailing wrote...

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I just watched the SDCC Mass Effect Panel and in the Q&A section, it was asked why we see the kid all the time (also as the Catalyst):

Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through, the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the beam.

So, does that mean that the Catalyst actually is Harbinger ?


I added some notes

"Chris Hepler said, that after what Shepard have been through" (Arrival DLC, constant contact with Reapers)

"the Catalyst would appear as a non-terrifying form and so a Harbinger
hologram would not be appropriate as he was lazering you down at the
beam." (Yes he is Harbinger)



Those are his exact words?! :o:O:O:O  Well, this certainly confirms at least ONE part of IT.  Now, it's only a matter of time until the full reveal.  Thank you for just restoring my faith to full capacity!


I don't think he meant to imply that the Catalyst is Harbinger.

The point is that having the Catalyst take the form of a reaper in hologram form would have backfired since Shepard is used to seeing evil, murderous Reapers through holograms. So they changed it up this time and the catalyst appeared as something Shepard could relate to.

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RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Perhaps they did to allow interaction from the other npc's when they put Shepard's name up. It's a stretch though and it's odd his name is missing.

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RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Does that happen in all endings or just Control and Synthesis? If it's just in Control and Synthesis it might be symbolic of how the sacrifices and deaths of others are already becoming less important to Shepard (If it was Legion or Mordin who were missing it would stand out a lot more and give something away.) If it's missing in all of them.... No idea. :P

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EpyonX3 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Perhaps they did to allow interaction from the other npc's when they put Shepard's name up. It's a stretch though and it's odd his name is missing.


My theory is harbinger did not know about Jenkins and there for did not have his name on there, and when Shepard's LI holds Shepards name plate. That's a sign that Shepard is saying in his/her head, that wait I am not dead, and Harbinger realizes this and goes to make sure that Shepard is dead, but is stoped by the Normandy.

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guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

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paxxton wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

Don't worry about it. I'm not on the list Either (lol. pun intended). And I missed it by almost 24 hours because of work and KotOR 1.;)

LOL. It's on sale on Steam now.

:blink:You must be psychic, 'cause that's when/where I got it. This is my first time actually playing KotOR. Before, I just knew the story/twist/place-in-SWEU-canon.

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masster blaster wrote...

guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

If she wasn't loyal in 2 she'll 'die' in her mission in 3

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Okay guys I looked at D<C<S and all of the Memorial scenes only have 17 out of 20 crew members that died in ME2 on the SR1.

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RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

If she wasn't loyal in 2 she'll 'die' in her mission in 3


Oh. Did not know she could die.^_^

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Lokanaiya wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Does that happen in all endings or just Control and Synthesis? If it's just in Control and Synthesis it might be symbolic of how the sacrifices and deaths of others are already becoming less important to Shepard (If it was Legion or Mordin who were missing it would stand out a lot more and give something away.) If it's missing in all of them.... No idea. :P


He's missing in every ending. This screenshot taken from destroy.

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masster blaster wrote...

guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

She can either die in ME 2 or 3, depending if she was loyal i guess

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masster blaster wrote...

guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

She can die in ME3 if you didn't do her loyalty mission im ME2.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

guys can kasumi die? Because in a Destroy ending Kasumi is dead and a few people are missing on the wall.

She can die in ME3 if you didn't do her loyalty mission im ME2.


Or lets you think shes dead anyway. The circumstances are the same but Shep realises she was hiding if loyal.

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LtBehemoth wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Does that happen in all endings or just Control and Synthesis? If it's just in Control and Synthesis it might be symbolic of how the sacrifices and deaths of others are already becoming less important to Shepard (If it was Legion or Mordin who were missing it would stand out a lot more and give something away.) If it's missing in all of them.... No idea. :P


He's missing in every ending. This screenshot taken from destroy.


Can you take a screen shot of the Memorial wall before Sheaprd goes to Earth. Also 17 out of 20 crew Members form the SR1 Normandy are up there, but not the three others.

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masster blaster wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Wait he is missing. How never look the ending memoril scene, but why is he not there. Hell Sheaprd even thinks about Jenkins in ME3. From Ashes Shepard says " I lost a good man name Jenkins here."

That is odd. I don't see why they'd need to remodel the wall for that scene, so it should still be there by default.


Does that happen in all endings or just Control and Synthesis? If it's just in Control and Synthesis it might be symbolic of how the sacrifices and deaths of others are already becoming less important to Shepard (If it was Legion or Mordin who were missing it would stand out a lot more and give something away.) If it's missing in all of them.... No idea. :P


He's missing in every ending. This screenshot taken from destroy.


Can you take a screen shot of the Memorial wall before Sheaprd goes to Earth. Also 17 out of 20 crew Members form the SR1 Normandy are up there, but not the three others.


Well, i'm plaing on xbox, so thats gonna be a problem.
But i'll try to find pics on the internet.
Or I can take a photo on my phone:P

Modifié par LtBehemoth, 20 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .


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Flog61 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Guys, in the 2000th page list, im listed as 'nonpartisan'. What does this mean?

Don't have strong feelings either way

 But i'm fully pro-IT Image IPB


We didn't know at the time. PM lex0r and he'll amend the list.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

2000 pages for this thread
*snip*

I'm...
I'm...
I'm... not in the list... :crying:

Don't worry about it. I'm not on the list Either (lol. pun intended). And I missed it by almost 24 hours because of work and KotOR 1.;)

LOL. It's on sale on Steam now.

:blink:You must be psychic, 'cause that's when/where I got it. This is my first time actually playing KotOR. Before, I just knew the story/twist/place-in-SWEU-canon.

A benefit of choosing Control. I'm indoctrinating the whole IT thread as we speak. Image IPBImage IPB jk

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .


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"Organics must always destroy or control synthetics" Silly ME1 AI, that's not how it works.

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RavenEyry wrote...

"Organics must always destroy or control synthetics" Silly ME1 AI, that's not how it works.

Can't you control a toaster? Can't you throw it away when it's broken?

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paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

"Organics must always destroy or control synthetics" Silly ME1 AI, that's not how it works.

Can't you control a toaster? Can't you throw it away when it's broken?

Don't you merge with it when you stick your hand in it and get an electric shock?