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[paxxton]

That's no Shepard. That's the Catalyst!

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juillet 2012 - 11:52 .

[xxclonexx2]

Hey guys I have been reading this forum ever since I saw the ME3 origional ending and I love it. I have been a very strong supporter, but I am also new to actually talking on forums so forgive me if I do something stupid. So I look forward to partisipating in further discussions. BTW I have bad spelling so forgive me for that too

[DoomsdayDevice]

You know, guys. I really believe in IT (I have from the very first time I played the ending), but I really don't think Bioware is ever going to come out and show us what really happened.

I believe IT was purposely included, but it was always their artistic vision to forever leave it ambiguous. The idea being that they want people to think for themselves and not having to spoon-feed them what it all means. Which is in line with the whole concept of indoctrination. The indoctrinated person will always have this nagging feeling that something is off, but he's never sure. And they accomplished exactly that.

As much as I would like to believe in post-ending DLC revealing it all, I just really, really, really don't think it's going to happen.

When I first heard about the EC, I already believed in the idea of IT, but my first thought was 'They're going to explain the Joker-fleeing-plothole, but leave the rest ambiguous', and guess what... that is exactly what they did.

I don't mean to say I've given up hope, it's just that I never really believed they would actually go so far as to reveal IT. Sure, a reveal would be mind-blowing, but their statement that they were not going to be prescriptive about the endings convinced me that they never will. The latest panel only reinforced that this is still how they feel about it.

EC didn't change how I feel about the endings. It didn't ruin IT at all, and it even added some interesting subtle clues IMO, but I'll say it again: they'll never reveal it.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:02 .

[TJBartlemus]

@clone - Don't worry. We have another supporter that is the same.  Also, really glad that you're here. Welcome to the thread!! :happy:

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:00 .

[paxxton]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Hey guys I have been reading this forum ever since I saw the ME3 origional ending and I love it. I have been a very strong supporter, but I am also new to actually talking on forums so forgive me if I do something stupid. So I look forward to partisipating in further discussions. BTW I have bad spelling so forgive me for that too

Welcome to the IT thread. We appreciate your support!

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:01 .

[xxclonexx2]

TJBartlemus wrote...

@clone - Don't worry. We have another supporter that is the same.  Also, really glad that you're here. Welcome to the thread!! :happy:

Thanks! I love this thread even more now!

[TJBartlemus]

@doomsday - I do agree they will not answer or reveal it, but not never. They are just trying to milk it to the last possible second. Speculation means big bucks to EA. If they just straight out told us, there would be no incentive to buy DLC except that it's cool. The game would also start to fade, until another game is announced. And they want to keep the game going to the last possible second.

[Simon_Says]

Welcome to the thread, Clone. Grab a complimentary tin hat and bunch of emergency induction ports.

I've racked up quite a few tabs worth of talk here in the past day or so I'm considering addressing, but for now...

Is the visual effect of the Starbrat the same as those of the oily shadows in the dreams? Aside from colour and illumination they look strikingly similar to me...

Modifié par Simon_Says, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[xxclonexx2]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

You know, guys. I really believe in IT (I have from the very first time I played the ending), but I really don't think Bioware is ever going to come out and show us what really happened.

I believe IT was purposely included, but it was always their artistic vision to forever leave it ambiguous. The idea being that they want people to think for themselves and not having to spoon-feed them what it all means. Which is in line with the whole concept of indoctrination. The indoctrinated person will always have this nagging feeling that something is off, but he's never sure. And they accomplished exactly that.

As much as I would like to believe in post-ending DLC revealing it all, I just really, really, really don't think it's going to happen.

When I first heard about the EC, I already believed in the idea of IT, but my first thought was 'They're going to explain the Joker-fleeing-plothole, but leave the rest ambiguous', and guess what... that is exactly what they did.

I don't mean to say I've given up hope, it's just that I never really believed they would actually go so far as to reveal IT. Sure, a reveal would be mind-blowing, but their statement that they were not going to be prescriptive about the endings convinced me that they never will. The latest panel only reinforced that this is still how they feel about it.

EC didn't change how I feel about the endings. It didn't ruin IT at all, and it even added some interesting subtle clues IMO, but I'll say it again: they'll never reveal it.

Well you cant think like that, if you do we have already lost. I mean I understand were you are coming from, but if we keep showing bioware and everyone else these pieces of evedence then they might come out with the ending everyone wants. That is also if they didnt already include it. I still believe that they intendeded it though.

[TJBartlemus]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@clone - Don't worry. We have another supporter that is the same.  Also, really glad that you're here. Welcome to the thread!! :happy:

Thanks! I love this thread even more now!

Well I'm glad.  If I can make someone's day that much brighter it makes it even more worth while. As I said. Welcome to the thread, and I hope that you enjoy the time here.  

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[xxclonexx2]

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

[TJBartlemus]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

[xxclonexx2]

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

I dont know, I thought someone said that I would still take years to travel across the galaxy. The Turians also literally have to go from one side of the galaxy to the other.

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

But maybe the Reapers sat just beyond the edge of the Galaxy. Different homeworlds are really far apart. + The Reapers had to get to the first available relay (the closest one to the destroyed Alpha Relay).

[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

The quarian homeworld is on the other side of the galaxy from Earth. To get there via conventional FTL they'd have to divert around the galactic core, meaning it'd take even longer than a straight trip, and a straight trip would still take the better part of 20 years taking into account the size of the galaxy and the how many light years a ship can cover in a single day.

[paxxton]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

I dont know, I thought someone said that I would still take years to travel across the galaxy. The Turians also literally have to go from one side of the galaxy to the other.

Turians not neccessarily. But geth and quarians definately.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:24 .

[xxclonexx2]

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

But maybe the Reapers sat just beyond the edge of the Galaxy. Different homeworlds are really far apart. + The Reapers had to get to the first available relay (the closest one to the destroyed Alpha Relay).

Yeah the reapers just sitting at the edge makes sence because nobody in the galaxy was interested in going anywhere near darkspace.

[paxxton]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

But maybe the Reapers sat just beyond the edge of the Galaxy. Different homeworlds are really far apart. + The Reapers had to get to the first available relay (the closest one to the destroyed Alpha Relay).

Yeah the reapers just sitting at the edge makes sence because nobody in the galaxy was interested in going anywhere near darkspace.

I wonder why. One would think that having such advanced technology there would be attempts to go beyond the verge.

[TJBartlemus]

xxclonexx2 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Well I already have something to include, you all remember in the High EC Destroy ending at the end when Hacket is talking about going home, etc. It shows several ships from different races going home, but the mass relay they are leaving with is destroyed or, "Heavily damaged." If that was the case they would have a long trip home.

FTL speed man. It's like hyperspace in Star Wars. Takes longer (not instantaneous like the relays) but like in Star Wars I think they can manage. The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

I dont know, I thought someone said that I would still take years to travel across the galaxy. The Turians also literally have to go from one side of the galaxy to the other.

It is assumed that the reliance on FTL is temporary. In high EMS destroy it is possible to rebuild the relays. Now without the help of the Reapers it might be a while but you never know. The asari bartender on Illium in ME2 seemed keen on asari making their own relays. 

[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

Except they would likely have started moving the instant Sovereign was destroyed, not the instant the Collector base was destroyed.

So more like two and a half years.

[Bushido Effect]

This is huge! Can we make a prediction? When will this topic die? Ever?

[Simon_Says]

Bushido Effect wrote...

This is huge! Can we make a prediction? When will this topic die? Ever?

"Threads must be closed to bring order to the chaos of fan speculation!"

[TJBartlemus]

paxxton wrote...
I wonder why. One would think that having such advanced technology there would be attempts to go beyond the verge.

Well it makes no sense to me other than the cycle. Look to real life. All the scientists are doing that involves space is look towards other galaxies even though it makes more sense to look inside our own first. You would think the other galaxy mentality would continue but then again. Look at Star Wars. They stay in one galaxy. But they have a reason. The galaxy rim blocks all travel because of energy or something. Like a really fast current. The Reapers are allowed to travel through this cause they have the tech to make a base next to black holes.

[L0NEWOLF25]

Anything new happend the past 30 pages?

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

The Reapers made it pretty quick into the galaxy. Only a few months. So it wouldn't take tooo long... 

Except they would likely have started moving the instant Sovereign was destroyed, not the instant the Collector base was destroyed.

So more like two and a half years.

You sure? I think the idea of showing the scene at the end of ME2 was that they didn't start until Harbinger let go of control of the collectors. It was pretty much what I got from it.