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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Evebrey

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FFZero wrote...

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FFZero wrote...

Unless we’d be fighting huskified Hanar...
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Fixed?



Thank you :)

I hate linking images, something always goes wrong.


That would be ubber neat, but I'm not sure how the gameplay would work.  It's could either be a vehicle mission (hopefully not) or some sort of Space scuba suit.

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TJBartlemus

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Oops! Wrote too soon.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 21 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .


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Hey all, sorry I haven't had time to work on my part 2 of overlay theory. I'm throwing a kegger so I just wanted to update before I'm swimming in libations

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Despite Arian's doubts I'm adding my analysis of "The Crucible" to my overlay theory, the play has changed my hypothesis, altered the variables and created new possibilities you could say. Hopefully I'll have it all put together by Monday.

Not you leave you empty handed here is something I wrote when I was a wee pup a few months ago when I was more of a literalist. It is my humorous take on how the crucible was constructed, enjoy:wizard:

(I borrowed heavily from the dialogue from Family Guy Blue Harvest episode in writing this)

Contractor: Any attack made by the reapers against the
crucible would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data
they've obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the
universe.

Admiral Hackett: That is fantastic. Terrific work. So no problems at all?

Contractor: N... no.

Admiral Hacket: You, uh, you hesitated there. Is there something I should know?

Contractor: Just a minor issue with the controls of the device.

Admiral Hackett: Uh, okay, wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask what's the problem?

Contractor: It was kind of an aesthetic choice by the
architect, some artists a couple of cycles ago made revisions to the
design according to the notes. Thus, the crucible has three ways to be
activated. The operator could try to control the reapers, but right now
there is a strong current going through the levers right now, it would
end up frying anyone who operated the device.

Admiral Hackett: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! That sounds like a pretty big design flaw.

Contractor: Well kinda. Think that’s bad wait till
you hear this. We followed the instructions and installed a mechanism
based on the blue prints that would allow a user to synthesize all
organic and inorganic life.

Admiral Hackett: What does that even mean? That we’ll
all have hard drives and intel chips in our ass? Binary code in our
DNA? How is that even possible? We’ll all become husks?

Contractor: Hey, you paid me to put this thing together from the blueprints, you didn’t ask me to design it.

Admiral Hackett: Well how do you activate that?

Contractor: Well again we had another potential
problem. The operator has to jump into the beam which would uh… melt the
operator and … yeah.

Admiral Hackett: Can’t a person just drop a blood sample or upload some DNA into the machine? Isn’t there a button we can press instead?

Contractor: Yeah, but that would be an insult on the work of the previous cycles and would ruin their artistic integrity.

Admiral Hackett: Forget all this nonsense. We built this thing to kill the reapers, how do we do that?

Contractor: It says in the blue prints to activate it
you have to shoot at this tube while walking towards it. Also the tube
is filled with explosives.

Admiral Hackett: Who in their right mind would design
this machine this way? Can’t we just go back and look over the
blueprints to see if we made an error in putting this thing together;
and for crying out loud install a control panel with buttons! Can you
do that?

Contractor: Yeah, we can get it done tomorrow if price is no object.

Admiral Hackett: Ehhhh...

Contractor: We'll get you some estimates.

Hackett: Get estimates, yeah, yeah.

#51029
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Hmmmm......Hellish has been quiet recently. I haven't heard from him in a couple days. Anyone regularily talk to him? Like TurboJ? For that fact. Where's Turbo been? 

edit - Not ignoring you otter. Just slow and posting some of my thoughts. It just happens to be really slow on the thread right now.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Hmmmm......Hellish has been quiet recently. I haven't heard from him in a couple days. Anyone regularily talk to him? Like TurboJ? For that fact. Where's Turbo been? 

They're both working on some big project, a video on IT.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .


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ShepnTali wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

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His lack of a response IS a response.  He can't say anything yet until AFTER the reveal.


this makes me think about star wars and the famous "luke I am your father" line. that was a major league plot twist. SO major league that only a handful (I think 4) of people knew about it before it was revealed, and it's still a famous line 20 years later. Heck from what I heard even the actors themselves didn't know about it until 5 minutes before they filmed the scene. The actors were probably like "whoa holy ****?!" when they found out. My guess is mac n' casey might be going for the same thing here. only a few people are aware of the major plot twist that is yet to come. I sure hope they know what they're doing. they can only come out of these as literary champions or complete hacks. only time will tell.

edit: my bad I didn't even address the quote, I think that your boy chris doesn't know what they're planning either. the only man that knows exactly what is going on is mac walters.


Harbinger is Shepard's father...


LOL not literally an "I am  your father". I mean some kind of big twist, something to make people go whoa what the heck?!.
-Shepard you've been indoctrinated
-shepard you're a clone
-shepard I am a reaper doomsday device
-shepard marauder shields is nihlus

you know, something to WOW the audience (us the players).

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hmmmm......Hellish has been quiet recently. I haven't heard from him in a couple days. Anyone regularily talk to him? Like TurboJ? For that fact. Where's Turbo been? 

They're both working on some big project, a video on IT.


I was aware of that. I'm working on the WNT video with Hellish so I knew he was busy with other videos. Just really didn't expect a full info blackout from him, that's all. :?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hmmmm......Hellish has been quiet recently. I haven't heard from him in a couple days. Anyone regularily talk to him? Like TurboJ? For that fact. Where's Turbo been? 

They're both working on some big project, a video on IT.


I was aware of that. I'm working on the WNT video with Hellish so I knew he was busy with other videos. Just really didn't expect a full info blackout from him, that's all. :?

That blackout's been for several weeks now.

Glad you took my advice and are making that video. Can't wait to watch it! When are you planning to release it?

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hmmmm......Hellish has been quiet recently. I haven't heard from him in a couple days. Anyone regularily talk to him? Like TurboJ? For that fact. Where's Turbo been? 

They're both working on some big project, a video on IT.


I was aware of that. I'm working on the WNT video with Hellish so I knew he was busy with other videos. Just really didn't expect a full info blackout from him, that's all. :?


He's around, but he's been a bit busy.
Don't worry, I know he hasn't abandoned us :P

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paxxton wrote...

That blackout's been for several weeks now.

Glad you took my advice and are making that video. Can't wait to watch it! When are you planning to release it?


Not to disappoint but currently it's in the storyboarding phase. More than planning but no actual work done yet. :( I believe that Hellish is trying to finish his current video before starting work on this one. (Besides the several weeks are for YOU. I talked to him a couple days ago.) Besides you would have known that work is being done on it if you actually looked at the Waking Nightmare Theorist's group. I try to update it on any or all the work regarding to WNT. So yeah. Currently no planned date yet. Just a fact that work is being done. Sorry. (I felt so much like a BioWare dev right then. Except I actually told you all the truth.)

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I saw someone was looking for this earlier, so I'll just repost for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:

Hey all, if you haven't seen it yet, the video of the BioWare panel at Comic Con is on YouTube:

There
were three fan questions pertaining to the ending, and I thought they were given interesting answers and decided to transcribe the questions and answers in case anyone cares to speculate on them. Honestly, I think they've given us some slightly more concrete answers that what we're used to. You should really watch them yourself to get a feel for the tone, facial, expressions, and body language of the writers/developers as they answer. I included the video times for each of the questions. Also, I excluded a lot of ums, you knows, and such.

40:30 - Which ending would you consider canon?

Sylvia Feketekuty: I'll answer this question because it bugs me personally. We don't have a canon. We actually have gone out of our way not to declare a canon. You know, if your Shepard is a dude Shep who romanced Tali, if you're a fem Shep who romanced Kaiden, or Liara, or whoever, if you save the Racnhi, if you destroy the Krogan, that's your Shepard, we have never declared a canon, you know, even when we had to trip around Shepard's gender in things like comics.
Mike Gamble: If we had planned to do a canon ending, (jokingly) that would have saved us so much damn work, that whole chart just would have been like a straight line, it would have been beautiful! Except we can't do that.

42:50 - What's the deal with the kid, why does Shepard see the kid througout the entire game?

Chris Hepler: Originally Shepard sees the kid because it's the one face on earth that pretty much crystallizes all of the people on earth that he can't save. When you finally get to the Catalyst, the Catalyst is essentially negotiating with you because [using air quotes during this entire following phrase] "its plan does not work any more" and it takes a non-threatening form. And also because Shepard shaking his fist at Harbinger or Sovereign or another reaper hologram didn't seem incredibly appropriate, we wanted to mix it up with something a little new.
Sylvia Feketekuty chimes in: Yeah we had it 3 times before: Arrival, ME1, ME2, it felt a little "samey" at that point.
Chris Hepler continues: And there's only so many times you can be told you're bacteria before you want to make a flag with bacteria on it and stick it in a reaper husk somewhere.
Gamble iterrupts: The whole dream sequence basically galvanizes what Chris was saying about Shepard, not being able to save the kid on earth and that crystallizing what the loss on earth is. And I'll just set the record straight that the faint shadows that you're seeing throughout those dream sequences, those are meant to be kind of, you know, representations of the people he couldn't save, and they get progressively worse throughout the game because it
just gets that much more intense.
Chris Hepler: And you may not be able to always hear what exactly the whispers are saying, but those are actually various characters you couldn't save, for example if Ash died on Virmire ... so we actually went through the trouble of doing all that.

47:20 - What's the motivation with the teaser survival of Shepard in the particular ending?

Sylvia Feketekuty: The teaser was sort of fun to add in because you need to get your military strength, you have to have your forces above a certain level. And the motivation was, I think we were looking at all the endings, I remember, and then going 'are these all too bleak?' I mean, you know, Shepard dies, or is transfigured, or lost forever, and we said, you know what, for the fans who really scraped every single last thing off the galaxy map and stuffed them in the Normandy's hold or however those get to you, we wanted to do a little beacon of hope for them and say, you know what, I see the N7 breastplate lifting, who else wears an N7 breast plate? Oh, my Shepard does... (pumps fists with anticipation) And we didn't want to leave people without that I think, it was really hard to let Shepard go in some sense for us too, so that was sort of fun for us too to sneak in.
Parrish Ley: But we also did intentionally make that sightly vague, so it is open to you projecting your own gameplay experience on to it, so we didn't want to, again, show how he's potentially damaged or what he looks like, so it is meant to be a little ambiguous in that respect.
Chris Hepler: Yeah it could be just a last gasp before death if you want to look at it that way.
Sylvia says "if, if" and someone on the panel chimes in "MAYBE" after a small uproar from the crowd.
Mike Gamble: (Jokingly) A giant piece of rebar could just eventually fall on him after that, but, you don't know! I'm just a troll, I'm sorry.
Someone in the crowd says "Mass Effect 4 please" and several of the panel members laugh (sounds like nervous laughter).

Almost forgot, Sylvia Feketekuty talks a bit about the Reject ending when discussion writing Liara:

38:20
Sylvia Feketekuty: And Parrish, you guys did that beautiful scene in the extended cut where if you choose to reject the reapers' offers...
Mike Gamble: Or if you accidentally shot the catalyst, just by accident...
Some comments and jokes ensue about "accidentally" shooting the catalyst.
Sylvia continues: But you know, you reject the reapers offers, the cycle continues, but your team brought that beautiful scene where you see a hologram of Liara and little Glyph in the background, and future generations of species have discovered her, and its just this wonderful cyclical nod to discovering Vigil back on Ilos in ME1. Somewhere in the back of my head I always thought "It'd be cool if we got a scene like that," and then you made it happen.

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#51037
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Just did 4 successful platinum extractions in a row. WOO! (don't worry I didn't get anything from the packs).

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Just did 4 successful platinum extractions in a row. WOO! (don't worry I didn't get anything from the packs).

I just lost connection on Platinum with more than half of waves done. Image IPB

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Just did 4 successful platinum extractions in a row. WOO! (don't worry I didn't get anything from the packs).


Lol nice ^_^

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Whoooo!!! Defeated anti-It'ers with refutable facts! (Not trolling, just the sheer unstoppable power of facts and logic.) Who needs MP when you can have this much fun? jk. :P

edit - However, congrats on the impressive feat Chriz. :o Also I apologize to any if it came off as me being arrogant or a d***. Just a little proud of myself. 

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Whoooo!!! Defeated anti-It'ers with refutable facts! (Not trolling, just the sheer unstoppable power of facts and logic.) Who needs MP when you can have this much fun? jk. :P

edit - However, congrats on the impressive feat Chriz. :o Also I apologize to any if it came off as me being arrogant or a d***. Just a little proud of myself. 


No, that is definitely awesome :lol:

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Well, I have to leave. I won't be surprised that looking at posts tomarro that I see that Arian got on right after I got off. Just tell him I called it why don't you guys? ;)

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Well, I have to leave. I won't be surprised that looking at posts tomarro that I see that Arian got on right after I got off. Just tell him I called it why don't you guys? ;)


Lol will do. :lol:

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Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Whoooo!!! Defeated anti-It'ers with refutable facts! (Not trolling, just the sheer unstoppable power of facts and logic.) Who needs MP when you can have this much fun? jk. :P

edit - However, congrats on the impressive feat Chriz. :o Also I apologize to any if it came off as me being arrogant or a d***. Just a little proud of myself. 


No, that is definitely awesome :lol:

Wait wait, what happend? When was this?:huh:

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I agree with the IT

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shepdog77 wrote...

I just took a crap and water splashed up into my butthole.

Reported for obvious trolling.

#51047
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Simon_Says wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

I just took a crap and water splashed up into my butthole.

Reported for obvious trolling.


way to change what I said

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shepdog77 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

I just took a crap and water splashed up into my butthole.

Reported for obvious trolling.


way to change what I said


And here I thought you said you were done trolling earlier, shepdog.

I am disappoint.

#51049
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shepdog77 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

I just took a crap and water splashed up into my butthole.

Reported for obvious trolling.

way to change what I said

Reported for falsification of records.

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So anything interesting since last night other than the usual trolling? It looks like Otter has expanded on the Overlay theory a bit (which I am really digging, btw, awesome work).