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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone tried flycamming the dream sequences?

LOL. Actually, no. It's important to do that!

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I'm interested in why there are timers on the dreams. If you wait for a bit each dream ends on its own. Or maybe it's only the 3rd one.


No one likes being lost in a magical dream forest for too long :P

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Another observation:
BW said they didn't change the current endings but extended them. So now we look at control pre EC: we see the Reapers leave with the Citadel, it's even named in the code "...AndReapersLeave". Now post EC: we see the Reapers helping in reconstructing stuff etc they didn't leave.
Now we can conclude as they only extended the ending what we see is false which in return proves IT. QED, we can all go home now :P

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Paxxton it's the shuttle Bay area.

Yeah, I thought it was Shepard's cabin counting from the lowest floor. But 5 stands by the Shuttle Bay on the elevator's screen.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton it's the shuttle Bay area.

Yeah, I thought it was Shepard's cabin counting from the lowest floor. But 5 stands by the Shuttle Bay on the elevator's screen.

On ships you start from the topmost deck.

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Gwyphon wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm interested in why there are timers on the dreams. If you wait for a bit each dream ends on its own. Or maybe it's only the 3rd one.


No one likes being lost in a magical dream forest for too long :P

Why not? If one can listen to lovely whispers of dead people. Image IPB jk

Seriously, the timers are strange. The only explanation I can come up with is that it emphasizes lack of control.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

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So there's infrasound. But as has been stated it could be artefact data. Again this is why I suggested looking for infrasound in areas of the game where indoctrination was not supposed to be a possible presence. Places like Grissom academy, or Mars.

Btw, updated the Selfish Meme Theory thread with a little analogy to biology. Please do check it out.

Just read the tl;dr version of the op of that thread (will read the rest later, no time atm) and I noticed something: I can't remember a single instance where Shep used any of the words "eternal", "immortal", and "infinite". In ME3 without the EC "eternal" and "infinite" each occur once and "immortal" doesn't occur at all. Yet each was used by or to describe the Reapers and in Control "Shep" says "The woman I was used these words."
Nothing really exciting, but imo an interesting observation.


I thought Renegade Shepard might've said used those words, as in, the Control ending is optimized for those Sheps. Did you play both moralities?

I usually pick what seems the best, so it's neither straight paragon or renegade. But they even made different dialogues for Paragon/Renegade control, would be strange if it's optimized for Renegade.

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paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone tried flycamming the dream sequences?

LOL. Actually, no. It's important to do that!


I have. Nothing interesting.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone tried flycamming the dream sequences?

LOL. Actually, no. It's important to do that!


I have. Nothing interesting.


I was actually wondering if you look at the "dream" area from outside the map whether you can see the other decks of the normandy :lol:

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone tried flycamming the dream sequences?

LOL. Actually, no. It's important to do that!


I have. Nothing interesting.

Shame. I was counting on some big revelations. Image IPB

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TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone tried flycamming the dream sequences?

LOL. Actually, no. It's important to do that!


I have. Nothing interesting.


I was actually wondering if you look at the "dream" area from outside the map whether you can see the other decks of the normandy :lol:


lol funny enough i tried. it gets fuzzy like it does on any level when you go out of bounds.

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Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.


www.youtube.com/watch

This is a Prettz video. I don't think I have seen this yet.

Modifié par masster blaster, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another observation:
BW said they didn't change the current endings but extended them. So now we look at control pre EC: we see the Reapers leave with the Citadel, it's even named in the code "...AndReapersLeave". Now post EC: we see the Reapers helping in reconstructing stuff etc they didn't leave.
Now we can conclude as they only extended the ending what we see is false which in return proves IT. QED, we can all go home now :P


"Checkmate!"

I have to admit that the differences between pre- and post-EC give me a funny feeling. I was expecting extra dialog options with the Catalyst in the EC but when the time came I seriously expected a tongue-in-cheek reference to why Shep suddenly gets so much more options. Also, the addition of the Refuse ending seems so weird.

It feels like the pre-EC ending must now be never mentioned again. It didn't happen, period. But maybe this is just me. I even asked Mike Gamble on twitter which ending version is now 'definite', unfortunately he didn't answer. Dunno what that means...

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Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.


BTW, in the new beam-run sequence Shepard's gun equipment suddenly switches from your guns -> just the Predator.

The gun then vanishes, once he hides behind that first mako (it wasn't a mako but you know what I mean). The next instant he has a gun again is when he wakes up in front of the beam and finds the Carnifex lying near him.

Just FYI. :wizard:

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masster blaster wrote...

Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.

Yeah, we talk about it all the time.

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RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.

Yeah, we talk about it all the time.


NO but somebody dug deeper into it and found intresting stuff that relates back to ME2 for the gun scene.

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masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.

Yeah, we talk about it all the time.


NO but somebody dug deeper into it and found intresting stuff that relates back to ME2 for the gun scene.

This one?


#51193
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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay has anyone seen the secret gun on you tube regarding the Mass Effect 3. It's weird because somebody notice the M-6 Carfinex reloads like the Predator. I will provide the link in 5 min okay.

Yeah, we talk about it all the time.


NO but somebody dug deeper into it and found intresting stuff that relates back to ME2 for the gun scene.

This one?


Yes and I have the link above.

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Yeah, as I said we talk about it all the time. Same video and everything.

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Throughout the game Shepard's gun changes to the Predator when he takes a Paragon action and to the Carnifex when he takes a Renegade one.

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paxxton wrote...

Throughout the game Shepard's gun changes to the Predator when he takes a Paragon action and to the Carnifex when he takes a Renegade one.

Actually it's pretty inconsistent. We tried to find meaning when the gun thing first dropped.

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Hey it's been a while since I've been on and I just want to know how's IT doing now since the release of the EC. I'm surprised the forum wasn't made redundant after this long.
I'm fine with the EC and the ending is now enjoyable, aside from the Catalyst being a last minute touch.

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HyperGlass wrote...

Hey it's been a while since I've been on and I just want to know how's IT doing now since the release of the EC. I'm surprised the forum wasn't made redundant after this long.

Since EC changed little about IT, it's doing just the same as before.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .


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HyperGlass wrote...

Hey it's been a while since I've been on and I just want to know how's IT doing now since the release of the EC. I'm surprised the forum wasn't made redundant after this long.
I'm fine with the EC and the ending is now enjoyable, aside from the Catalyst being a last minute touch.


Well new evidnece was implanted in the EC for IT, and lots of new info that I will let teh others explain.

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paxxton wrote...

Throughout the game Shepard's gun changes to the Predator when he takes a Paragon action and to the Carnifex when he takes a Renegade one.


Yeah, and in the ending it's mixed up again: 'TIM' uses the Predator to execute 'Anderson' and Shep keeps his Carnifex when he's shooting the tube. Only when the tube is really finishes, the gun changes 'back' to the Predator.

Cool ****!

EDIT: Does anyone know what the second Carnifex sound echo (when shooting up in the Catalyst chamber) sounds like? I think I've heard this sound before somewhere in the game, but I don't know where...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .