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[HyperGlass]

masster blaster wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Hey it's been a while since I've been on and I just want to know how's IT doing now since the release of the EC. I'm surprised the forum wasn't made redundant after this long.
I'm fine with the EC and the ending is now enjoyable, aside from the Catalyst being a last minute touch.

Well new evidnece was implanted in the EC for IT, and lots of new info that I will let teh others explain.

That clicking sound when Anderson starts talking I take it. Honestly I think of that as the machine setting after being used. Like a kettle; it clicks once it finishes its job. But seriously I don't think much of that as evidence.
What else? Didn't Harbinger get some obscured line during the run to the beam?

[paxxton]

I've got an idea! Consider how the EC somewhat sent a different message on what the Catalyst was. In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them. On the other hand, in the EC he's no longer a free-willed being but instead embodies the collective intelligence of the Reapers. The "Reaper consensus" governs him. It may not seem as being so at first glance but think about it.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:00 .

[RavenEyry]

HyperGlass wrote...

That clicking sound when Anderson starts talking I take it. Honestly I think of that as the machine setting after being used. Like a kettle; it clicks once it finishes its job. But seriously I don't think much of that as evidence.
What else? Didn't Harbinger get some obscured line during the run to the beam?

Harbinger says 'Serve me' when he shoots Shep. Also the catalyst uses a reaper voice in refuse. They also failed to remove any of the 'bugs and oversights' in the ending sequence, so IT is no weaker than before, although many who dislike the theory seem to think if they say it's dead enough it'll come true.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...
In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them.

The constant use of 'we' and 'us' made me think otherwise.

[HyperGlass]

RavenEyry wrote...

Harbinger says 'Serve me' when he shoots Shep. Also the catalyst uses a reaper voice in refuse. They also failed to remove any of the 'bugs and oversights' in the ending sequence, so IT is no weaker than before, although many who dislike the theory seem to think if they say it's dead enough it'll come true.

Wow so not much has changed. But the question I'm asking is will they really make the theory true even after providing additional closure to their endings. Because that would be weird, providing closure to an previously obsurd ending then saying all those events never took place and that Shepard was indoctrinated so the fight still has to finish.
I'm not sure anymore.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

So the words the 'man/woman I once was' used, weren't actually used by them? Probably just a comical oversight, but you never know.

I interpreted this as Shepard using those words like any other (insert any word here) but didn't really understand them without being a reaper. Basically saying you can't understand something you haven't experienced = Reapershep believes they are perfect.

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...
Harbinger says 'Serve me' when he shoots Shep. Also the catalyst uses a reaper voice in refuse. They also failed to remove any of the 'bugs and oversights' in the ending sequence, so IT is no weaker than before, although many who dislike the theory seem to think if they say it's dead enough it'll come true.

According to Chris Priestly (the Q&A on that german forum this week) that sound was not a spoken line, i.e. was not supposed to have a meaning.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:11 .

[RavenEyry]

HyperGlass wrote...

Wow so not much has changed. But the question I'm asking is will they really make the theory true even after providing additional closure to their endings. Because that would be weird, providing closure to an previously obsurd ending then saying all those events never took place and that Shepard was indoctrinated so the fight still has to finish.
I'm not sure anymore.

Remember EC wasn't part of their 'big plans'. If IT is the plan, I think they were worried a lot of people wouldn't by the DLCs and miss out on their masterpiece, so they gave everyone something less... rage inducing for the moment.

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
According to Chris Priestly (the Q&A on that german forum this week) that sound was not a spoken line.

I'm aware. It could mean the words were synthesized instead of acted. Meaning they didn't lie but it's still on purpose.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them.

The constant use of 'we' and 'us' made me think otherwise.

You know what I thought the first time I saw the child? Who else do we know of that constantly refers to themselves as "we" and "I"? Oh right. This guy:

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them.

The constant use of 'we' and 'us' made me think otherwise.

But it meant that he indentified himself with the Reapers not that the Reapers formed his existence.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
According to Chris Priestly (the Q&A on that german forum this week) that sound was not a spoken line.

I'm aware. It could mean the words were synthesized instead of acted. Meaning they didn't lie but it's still on purpose.

I have a theory that the line means nothing (is reaper language) right now, but will be understandable after we have Leviathan, as that was confirmed to explore reaper language.

[BansheeOwnage]

HyperGlass wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Harbinger says 'Serve me' when he shoots Shep. Also the catalyst uses a reaper voice in refuse. They also failed to remove any of the 'bugs and oversights' in the ending sequence, so IT is no weaker than before, although many who dislike the theory seem to think if they say it's dead enough it'll come true.

Wow so not much has changed. But the question I'm asking is will they really make the theory true even after providing additional closure to their endings. Because that would be weird, providing closure to an previously obsurd ending then saying all those events never took place and that Shepard was indoctrinated so the fight still has to finish.
I'm not sure anymore.

I understant if you disagree, but IMO the EC didn't provide any closure. A slide show with a vague monologue (destroy) and nothing about Shepard or her squadmates or her LI? There will be no closure until Shepard is reunited with them, preferably on the Normandy.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them.

The constant use of 'we' and 'us' made me think otherwise.

You know what I thought the first time I saw the child? Who else do we know of that constantly refers to themselves as "we" and "I"? Oh right. This guy:

Why is Harbinger not so prominent in ME3? Maybe because a hidden enemy is the worst kind of enemy.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .

[HyperGlass]

It's quite amazing really; almost a month after the release of the Ec and Bioware hasn't formally disproved it and Chris's quote says IT is still "valid". Sort ofMakes you wonder what DA3 is gonna be like.
Is there an "opposite" to the Maker? and bla bla. I've been playing DA:O recently.
@paxxton: Like Palpatine from Star Wars. Not the best example but the one at the top of my head.

Modifié par HyperGlass, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:23 .

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
According to Chris Priestly (the Q&A on that german forum this week) that sound was not a spoken line.

I'm aware. It could mean the words were synthesized instead of acted. Meaning they didn't lie but it's still on purpose.

Hm, that is a possibily.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
In the original I got an impression that he was a seperate entity from the Reapers and commanded them.

The constant use of 'we' and 'us' made me think otherwise.

You know what I thought the first time I saw the child? Who else do we know of that constantly refers to themselves as "we" and "I"? Oh right. This guy:

Why is Harbinger not so prominent in ME3? Maybe because a hidden enemy is the worst kind of enemy.

Exaclty. [/Anderson]
It makes perfect sense to hide Harbinger in ME3 if IT is true. You concentrate on TIM and forget about him so you will be tricked by him. The same thing they did with forgetting about Saren and synthesis. If IT is untrue, there is no excuse for Harbinger's absence.

[TSA_383]

So, since it didn't get much discussion last time, Tobi put up an image (+ reverse colour image) of the catalyst "grin" during the control sequence:



Thoughts?

[CoolioThane]

Master, is it possible to get that link to the German Q&A again? PLease and thanks

[HyperGlass]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I understant if you disagree, but IMO the EC didn't provide any closure. A slide show with a vague monologue (destroy) and nothing about Shepard or her squadmates or her LI? There will be no closure until Shepard is reunited with them, preferably on the Normandy.

I'm not saying I disagree with IT now but I can accept the endings now at least. As for the slide show, well, the same happend in DA:O didn't it? But I do agree it didn't provide much on the squadmates.
On a side note you can still hear "Big Ben" in the background in the EC breathing scene.

[jgibson14352]

TSA_383 wrote...

So, since it didn't get much discussion last time, Tobi put up an image (+ reverse colour image) of the catalyst "grin" during the control sequence:



Thoughts?

ill be honest it looks like somebody threw up. i cant make out anything.

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Harbinger says 'Serve me' when he shoots Shep. Also the catalyst uses a reaper voice in refuse. They also failed to remove any of the 'bugs and oversights' in the ending sequence, so IT is no weaker than before, although many who dislike the theory seem to think if they say it's dead enough it'll come true.

According to Chris Priestly (the Q&A on that german forum this week) that sound was not a spoken line, i.e. was not supposed to have a meaning.

Well, that explains why I can never hear the words "serve me"; at one time I thought it might be "save us", but the more I listened to it the more it just became garble to me.

[BansheeOwnage]

TSA_383 wrote...

So, since it didn't get much discussion last time, Tobi put up an image (+ reverse colour image) of the catalyst "grin" during the control sequence:



Thoughts?

I think I can't make anything out, but it looks like more oily shadows. Too bad we can't use reverse-colour images as evidence.

[masster blaster]

CoolioThane wrote...

Master, is it possible to get that link to the German Q&A again? PLease and thanks

forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1169425-Alle-Antworten-vom-BioWare-Team-%28Livechat%29

Push Red button.

[BansheeOwnage]

HyperGlass wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I understant if you disagree, but IMO the EC didn't provide any closure. A slide show with a vague monologue (destroy) and nothing about Shepard or her squadmates or her LI? There will be no closure until Shepard is reunited with them, preferably on the Normandy.

I'm not saying I disagree with IT now but I can accept the endings now at least. As for the slide show, well, the same happend in DA:O didn't it? But I do agree it didn't provide much on the squadmates.
On a side note you can still hear "Big Ben" in the background in the EC breathing scene.