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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#51276
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If there's some kind of infrasonic sound, it doesn't have to be Indoctrination nessecarily (on the Normandy I mean).
Like in the real world, many things emit infrasonic sound, like engines, planes, etc.

Whether indoc or not, it's still massive attention to detail from the team that made sooo many 'oversights' in the ending.


for real, they got everything straight for the most part throughout the entire trilogy, then come the last 20 minutes it's as if body snatchers kidnapped the team and replaced them with talentless, inept clones of themselves. makes no sense.

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www.youtube.com/watch

You have to go to 17:01 and from there is the EC breath scene.

Thank you.
I heard it at 17:22-17:25. It's harder to make out now with the music but just keep listening.

Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Seriously? Those 3 chime-like sounds are Reaper-like? I thought they blare fog horns which we interpertated as "Dubstep".
Edit: For the pre-EC, 0:03-0:06 I heard it.

Hmm... Definately something metallic. May be a very badly damaged clock.

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RavenEyry wrote...

That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid

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Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

I do agree, I hear very vague Reaper sounds kinda like the babble Harbinger was saying before the knock-out. I heard it about 3 seconds after the bells. But generally the bells are more noticable than the Reaper babble, proveing at the very least Shep not in that chamber.

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RavenEyry wrote...

That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


This.

Frankly the "that particular reaper destroyer saw that one kid, made a note of it and THAT is why Shepard sees it as that" sounds a bit like clutching at straws to me ;)

It's just... not very believable.

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HyperGlass wrote...

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Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

I do agree, I hear very vague Reaper sounds kinda like the babble Harbinger was saying before the knock-out. I heard it about 3 seconds after the bells. But generally the bells are more noticable than the Reaper babble, proveing at the very least Shep not in that chamber.

Would it help if I ran that audio through a compressor to draw out the various details?

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SubAstris wrote...

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That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid


It's possible of this was the real ending and the Catalyst can READ minds, then ya. It's possible, but from It it's all in Shepards head, that the Reapers/Harbinger is playing on Shepard.

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SubAstris wrote...

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That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid

So your saying they saw and took note of a random kid they killed and told the catalyst about him, then when Shepard arrives and it needs a form it coincidently decides to use the kid Shepard has nightmares about completely at random?

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RavenEyry wrote...

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Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

Yes, but I assume this scene shows Shepard waking up to reality (with the Reapers dancing around).

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That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


This.

Frankly the "that particular reaper destroyer saw that one kid, made a note of it and THAT is why Shepard sees it as that" sounds a bit like clutching at straws to me ;)

It's just... not very believable.


It is not like it singled out that one kid, the kid just happened to be there and the Reapers saw it. They know that it is non-threatening form to Shepard, as BW have stated themselves, which is the reason why the Catalyst chooses this form

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comrade gando wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

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If there's some kind of infrasonic sound, it doesn't have to be Indoctrination nessecarily (on the Normandy I mean).
Like in the real world, many things emit infrasonic sound, like engines, planes, etc.

Whether indoc or not, it's still massive attention to detail from the team that made sooo many 'oversights' in the ending.


for real, they got everything straight for the most part throughout the entire trilogy
, then come the last 20 minutes it's as if body snatchers kidnapped the team and replaced them with talentless, inept clones of themselves. makes no sense.


Debatable but your point still stands.

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Would it help if I ran that audio through a compressor to draw out the various details?

SO BE IT.
But seriously go ahead and try because we are hearing noises of some kind.
1. "Big Ben" sounding chimes
2. faint Reaper babble similar to Harbinger
3. Wind
4. Possibly rubble falling?

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paxxton wrote...

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Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

Yes, but I assume this scene shows Shepard waking up to reality (with the Reapers dancing around).


And then Harbinger looks at where Shepard was at and is gone.

Harbinger: "OH S*-"

Credits come up.

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RavenEyry wrote...

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That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid

So your saying they saw and took note of a random kid they killed and told the catalyst about him, then when Shepard arrives and it needs a form it coincidently decides to use the kid Shepard has nightmares about completely at random?


The Reapers didn't tell anyone, the Catalyst just knows because that's its nature. The Reapers know Shepard was there on Earth when the kid was there. It uses it because it is a non-threatening form (BW)

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

Yes, but I assume this scene shows Shepard waking up to reality (with the Reapers dancing around).


And then Harbinger looks at where Shepard was at and is gone.

Harbinger: "OH S*-"

Credits come up.

Extended Cut.

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

Yes, but I assume this scene shows Shepard waking up to reality (with the Reapers dancing around).


And then Harbinger looks at where Shepard was at and is gone.

Harbinger: "OH S*-"

Credits come up.

Yes because Harbingr would never leave in the first place.<_<

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I wonder if there is any way to tell who voiced the "so be it" line. if it was keith szarabajka...

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SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid

So your saying they saw and took note of a random kid they killed and told the catalyst about him, then when Shepard arrives and it needs a form it coincidently decides to use the kid Shepard has nightmares about completely at random?


The Reapers didn't tell anyone, the Catalyst just knows because that's its nature. The Reapers know Shepard was there on Earth when the kid was there. It uses it because it is a non-threatening form (BW)


Another reason why not to trust it.

Sometimes good things may be what they seem, but sometimes in time they revele their true nature of their other side.

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I wonder if there is any way to tell who voiced the "so be it" line. if it was keith szarabajka...

It was Mark Meer.

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SubAstris wrote...

The Reapers didn't tell anyone, the Catalyst just knows because that's its nature. The Reapers know Shepard was there on Earth when the kid was there. It uses it because it is a non-threatening form (BW)

They could have chosen any non-threatening form in existence but they went for the one Shepard has nightmares about in a complete coincidence.

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paxxton wrote...

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I wonder if there is any way to tell who voiced the "so be it" line. if it was keith szarabajka...

It was Mark Meer.


bioware I am disappoint.

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HyperGlass wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, those are the Reaper-like sounds I wrote about earlier.

Um, that scene only appears in destroy. Y'know, the one where there's no reapers to make reaper noises. I'd find reaper noises MORE telling than bells.

Yes, but I assume this scene shows Shepard waking up to reality (with the Reapers dancing around).


And then Harbinger looks at where Shepard was at and is gone.

Harbinger: "OH S*-"

Credits come up.

Yes because Harbingr would never leave in the first place.<_<


Yes but out of all the people charging down the hill. NOT ONE single HAMMER team was there at the charge. no Turian, Asari, Krogan, Geth, and all the other assets we picked up. Not a, and it's funny that if this is really happening, then Sheaprd lives from the point blank fire range of the Beam. And Harbinger lets Shepard live, so that he/she can complete his/her misson to kill them, and be the only solo sruviver that lived through the on massiacer charge to the Conduit.

Ya Hebinger would leave.<_<

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masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

That would still mean the reapers took special note of the kid, and they still wouldn't know Shep has been having nightmares of the kid.


You are assuming he is basing his form on the fact that Shepard has nightmares about the kid

So your saying they saw and took note of a random kid they killed and told the catalyst about him, then when Shepard arrives and it needs a form it coincidently decides to use the kid Shepard has nightmares about completely at random?


The Reapers didn't tell anyone, the Catalyst just knows because that's its nature. The Reapers know Shepard was there on Earth when the kid was there. It uses it because it is a non-threatening form (BW)


Another reason why not to trust it.

Sometimes good things may be what they seem, but sometimes in time they revele their true nature of their other side.


Not necessarily, it wants Shepard to hear the information in an objective manner and not be put off if it happens to take a Reaper form which he would naturally be

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SubAstris wrote...
Not necessarily, it wants Shepard to hear the information in an objective manner and not be put off if it happens to take a Reaper form which he would naturally be

If it wanted to preent the information in a objective manner it would have SPOKE in an objective manner as well.

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RavenEyry wrote...

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The Reapers didn't tell anyone, the Catalyst just knows because that's its nature. The Reapers know Shepard was there on Earth when the kid was there. It uses it because it is a non-threatening form (BW)

They could have chosen any non-threatening form in existence but they went for the one Shepard has nightmares about in a complete coincidence.


It happens to be a character we the player are familiar with and know is not threatening. Choosing a random Asari, Turian would be bizarre