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[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

So how would the Reapers know exactly what Shep's been dreaming about?

or

Is it just pure luck the image he chooses is the same person plaguing shep's dreams?

There is a slight difference in what the boy happens to represent in the dreams and why he is there in certain parts. In the dreams, he represents all the people on Earth who have died and those he can't, while the Catalyst chooses him because he is not threatening

So you're saying it's just a coincidence? k

In effect, yeah. But it isn't that surprising given what the kid represents. Even you must concede that

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

By the by, here's the breath scene audio:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/67ya3o

Separated each surround sound channel and seperately compressed each one through a seriously high-gain compressor.
There are no chimes, but there is what could be some kind of reaper noise, and notably lots of wind noise...

Could you make a picture with Shepard in the center and different channels positioned where the sounds come from? Plus, mark the beam's position.

We don't know where shepard is in this picture, and we don't know which way the camera's facing, so there's really nothing useful to be had from isolating the positions of each channel.

What do you make of the sounds themselves?

RavenEyry wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

So how would the Reapers know exactly what Shep's been dreaming about?

or

Is it just pure luck the image he chooses is the same person plaguing shep's dreams?

Didn't Chris Presley and Jessica explain this the other night in that live chat thingy?

Yes, it's 'partially made from Shepards memories'.

Ergo - Either the reapers have a direct line into shepard's mind and can tell that he's been thinking about the child, in which case the scene is deeply suspect, or some part of this scene is just being pieced together by shepard's subconscious, in which case it's deeply suspect.

...Just like we've been saying for the past three months

[masster blaster]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
How exactly does it mislead you? Not just make a mistake, but knowing something not to be the case but spinning it anyway?

'even you are partially synthetic' is but the most major example.

He is partly synthetic. So?

They Catalyst is saying if Shepard pickes Destroy he/she will die because he/she is have organic/Synthetic.

So basically that's the Reason why it want's Synthesis because Shepard
is already have organic, and half synthetic. Ever since the resurrection
of Shepard.

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

He is partly synthetic. So?

Either it's trying to misead you into thinking Shep will die in this option or it had a stroke and started spouting unrelated facts.

No he's not, he's saying "your life will be worse without synthetics". You are assuming he is saying that life would be impossible without them, which he stops at

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

2) I meant to say "and others who have died" at the end of that. Don't take my word for it, BW said it themselves. There's a vide on Youtube I think called "Past, Present and Future of Mass Effect" which says it

Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

No he's not, he's saying "your life will be worse without synthetics".

But it doesn't destroy anything synthetic, only synthetic life. Shep lived without the geth perfectly fine before meeting them.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

By the by, here's the breath scene audio:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/67ya3o

Separated each surround sound channel and seperately compressed each one through a seriously high-gain compressor.
There are no chimes, but there is what could be some kind of reaper noise, and notably lots of wind noise...

Could you make a picture with Shepard in the center and different channels positioned where the sounds come from? Plus, mark the beam's position.

We don't know where shepard is in this picture, and we don't know which way the camera's facing, so there's really nothing useful to be had from isolating the positions of each channel.

What do you make of the sounds themselves?

The 2nd channel has something that resembles chimes.

I know where Shepard is in that scene. The same place he lies after being hit. The beam has been deactivated hence no blue lighting.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[HyperGlass]

masster blaster wrote...

I guess Harbinger cares about Shepard after all.

In a non-romantic kind of way yes. It shouldn't be a surpise after everything he says in ME2. And correct me if I'm wrong but machines don't make mistakes (unless Windows Vista is installed but no) so it would seems so strange for him to leave someone as importent as Shepard alive via sweeping than a direct shot.
He would at least stay a few minutes and check if Shep is dead. Even if he/she were dead Hammer team could simply charge again once Harbinger flew off. This operation is a mess on both sides.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

So how would the Reapers know exactly what Shep's been dreaming about?

or

Is it just pure luck the image he chooses is the same person plaguing shep's dreams?

There is a slight difference in what the boy happens to represent in the dreams and why he is there in certain parts. In the dreams, he represents all the people on Earth who have died and those he can't, while the Catalyst chooses him because he is not threatening

So you're saying it's just a coincidence? k

In effect, yeah. But it isn't that surprising given what the kid represents. Even you must concede that

Well it is. There are probably billions of kids the Reapers would have seen and killed, but they happen to choose this ONE kid who Shepard saw die, yeah?

I don't buy it

[smokingotter1]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

So how would the Reapers know exactly what Shep's been dreaming about?

or

Is it just pure luck the image he chooses is the same person plaguing shep's dreams?

There is a slight difference in what the boy happens to represent in the dreams and why he is there in certain parts. In the dreams, he represents all the people on Earth who have died and those he can't, while the Catalyst chooses him because he is not threatening

It would make sense if the "catalyst" represented himself as a fallen crew member. And why does Shepard care so much about Earth... the default storyline is that he's an orphan and his time on Earth wasn't exactly rosey. There's also a spacer option.

Why would the catalyst give a **** about being threatening or not. Also why is the decision chamber an overlay of reality? What kind of device mirrors the geography you just experienced before harbinger's beam? Who is designing the ok of the crucible thought an electric current going through a control panel was an ok addition to the device?

Sorry for sounding snarky I'm partially hungover.

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

2) I meant to say "and others who have died" at the end of that. Don't take my word for it, BW said it themselves. There's a vide on Youtube I think called "Past, Present and Future of Mass Effect" which says it

Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

The fact is they are not necessarily an indoctrination thing, and what BW have said confirms this. Or is BW wrong?

What's up with the last bit?

[masster blaster]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No he's not, he's saying "your life will be worse without synthetics".

But it doesn't destroy anything synthetic, only synthetic life. Shep lived without the geth perfectly fine before meeting them.

Also we don't see the Geth die in Destroy ending, or EDi. We the player/Shepard are left to know that they are dead by picking this chose, and if Shepard lived, there is a possibility the Geth, and EDi lived also if this was all IT/WALKING NIGHTMER Theory.

[HyperGlass]

paxxton wrote...

The 2nd channel has something that resembles chiles.

I know where Shepard is in that scene. The same place he lies after being hit. The beam has been deactivated hence no blue lighting.

You mean chimes?
Also if the beam is off -which would be a sensible thing for the Reapers to do untill the resistance is cleared out- then what's with the whitish light illuminating the fog?

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

The fact is they are not necessarily an indoctrination thing, and what BW have said confirms this. Or is BW wrong?

What's up with the last bit?

They may or may not be an indoc thing. It seems to me like an indoc thing since they're oily shadows. Bioware never said they weren't an indoc thing, so of course I'm not calling Bioware wrong. If they represent dead people, why are some of the voice clips in dreams from alive people?

[RavenEyry]

masster blaster wrote...

Also we don't see the Geth die in Destroy ending, or EDi. We the player/Shepard are left to know that they are dead by picking this chose, and if Shepard lived, there is a possibility the Geth, and EDi lived also if this was all IT/WALKING NIGHTMER Theory.

EDI is pretty obviously dead in EC destroy.

[masster blaster]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

2) I meant to say "and others who have died" at the end of that. Don't take my word for it, BW said it themselves. There's a vide on Youtube I think called "Past, Present and Future of Mass Effect" which says it

Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

The fact is they are not necessarily an indoctrination thing, and what BW have said confirms this. Or is BW wrong?

What's up with the last bit?

Well it's like they said

No Canoe ending, but then they say no comment, so not sure if we should take Biowares words of disproving anything related to IT.

[SubAstris]

smokingotter1 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

So how would the Reapers know exactly what Shep's been dreaming about?

or

Is it just pure luck the image he chooses is the same person plaguing shep's dreams?

There is a slight difference in what the boy happens to represent in the dreams and why he is there in certain parts. In the dreams, he represents all the people on Earth who have died and those he can't, while the Catalyst chooses him because he is not threatening

It would make sense if the "catalyst" represented himself as a fallen crew member. And why does Shepard care so much about Earth... the default storyline is that he's an orphan and his time on Earth wasn't exactly rosey. There's also a spacer option.

Why would the catalyst give a **** about being threatening or not. Also why is the decision chamber an overlay of reality? What kind of device mirrors the geography you just experienced before harbinger's beam? Who is designing the ok of the crucible thought an electric current going through a control panel was an ok addition to the device?

Sorry for sounding snarky I'm partially hungover.

Pretend they took Mordin as being the Catalyst form.  Don't you think that would take away from his character? You would have to differentiate between the character of Mordin and the "Mordin" at the end.  Also which squadmat to choose and why?

The kid, on the other hand, more or less has no character, we have no idea of his personality or backstory, and that works perfectly for the Catalyst because it can the kid as a mouthpiece.

The reason why Shepard is made to care about Earth is simply a marketing one in my opinion. "Take back Earth" is much more appealing than "Take back Thessia/Palaven/Planet X". You could argue it has some symbolic meaning, but let's not kid ourselves here

If it's an overlay, it is an incredibly loose overlay

[masster blaster]

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also we don't see the Geth die in Destroy ending, or EDi. We the player/Shepard are left to know that they are dead by picking this chose, and if Shepard lived, there is a possibility the Geth, and EDi lived also if this was all IT/WALKING NIGHTMER Theory.

EDI is pretty obviously dead in EC destroy.

Yes but if this is a dream/IT, then she is not dead, and how do they know that Anderson is dead?

They have to fix the Conduit first, then go find Andersons body through all the rubble, and what's to say Andersos body is not there anymore, just ash.

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

The fact is they are not necessarily an indoctrination thing, and what BW have said confirms this. Or is BW wrong?

What's up with the last bit?

They may or may not be an indoc thing. It seems to me like an indoc thing since they're oily shadows. Bioware never said they weren't an indoc thing, so of course I'm not calling Bioware wrong. If they represent dead people, why are some of the voice clips in dreams from alive people?

What alive people? Video evidence?

[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

2) I meant to say "and others who have died" at the end of that. Don't take my word for it, BW said it themselves. There's a vide on Youtube I think called "Past, Present and Future of Mass Effect" which says it

Whatever they represent, they're still oily shadows, which is still an indoc thing and some still speak with the voices of alive people.

The fact is they are not necessarily an indoctrination thing, and what BW have said confirms this. Or is BW wrong?

What's up with the last bit?

Well it's like they said

No Canoe ending, but then they say no comment, so not sure if we should take Biowares words of disproving anything related to IT.

It has nothing to do with a "canoe" ending.

[paxxton]

HyperGlass wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The 2nd channel has something that resembles chiles.

I know where Shepard is in that scene. The same place he lies after being hit. The beam has been deactivated hence no blue lighting.

You mean chimes?
Also if the beam is off -which would be a sensible thing for the Reapers to do untill the resistance is cleared out- then what's with the whitish light illuminating the fog?

Nah, I meant chilli peppers.  jk

[MaximizedAction]

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/226728748442087424

Yes...funny.

Casey said something similar in a pre-ME3 release interview: The ME team does research to find out what players liked or didn't like and try to find out what they would like. He said, that they would listen to what fans wanted, but they wouldn't do exactly that, or otherwise there would be no surprise.

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

What alive people? Video evidence?

Wrex and Garrus come to mind. Seriously just play a dream with the sound high and listen to the whispers. They're not specifically from dead people.

[comrade gando]

TSA_383 wrote...

By the by, here's the breath scene audio:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/67ya3o

Separated each surround sound channel and seperately compressed each one through a seriously high-gain compressor.
There are no chimes, but there is what could be some kind of reaper noise, and notably lots of wind noise...

hmm why are there reaper noises if they're supposedly dead

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
Casey said something similar in a pre-ME3 release interview: The ME team does research to find out what players liked or didn't like and try to find out what they would like. He said, that they would listen to what fans wanted, but they wouldn't do exactly that, or otherwise there would be no surprise.

"Lets give them the exact opposite of what they'll like. That'll suprise 'em!"