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[CoolioThane]

Two games in a row:

Platinum, Wave 10, 3/4 Targets killed, One Atlas target remaining..we die

Haha, it's pretty funny

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

Two games in a row:

Platinum, Wave 10, 3/4 Targets killed, One Atlas target remaining..we die

Haha, it's pretty funny

This is a thread on IT

[HyperGlass]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Two games in a row:

Platinum, Wave 10, 3/4 Targets killed, One Atlas target remaining..we die

Haha, it's pretty funny

This is a thread on IT

Doesn't hurt to go off topic for a small period of time besides it's been quiet for the past 20 mins.

[The Twilight God]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

[HyperGlass]

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

Actully there is a picture of him in the memorial section of the refugee section of the Citadale. This pretty much proves he's real.

[SubAstris]

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

The problem with using the Rachni Queen as evidence is simply that they perceive the world in a very different way to what we do, and so their "oily shadows" is different to what we would expect.

[SubAstris]

HyperGlass wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

Actully there is a picture of him in the memorial section of the refugee section of the Citadale. This pretty much proves he's real.

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

[Turbo_J]

HyperGlass wrote...

byne wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Subarts I ment they should not be cheering at all. Even if they did not fire I would fire, or fall back and would gather whatever forces are left to be ready when they come back. Also why cheer again. Just because they leave they should celebrate. They are in the middle of war. For all they know the Reapers are gathering for a massive final assult. Think about it.

Do they cheer in Synthesis? If so then that is messed up. Sure the Reapers leave, but they're part synthetic!

I dont know about post-EC, but pre-EC they didnt cheer during Space Magic.

They had the 'What the hell is going on' sort of reaction that you'd expect.

For EC Synthesis they didn't cheer and also the London soilders don't seem to be aware of the transformation. You expect that reaction though for control; them just looking up. It's not likely they know what went on between they 2 choices as both have the Reapers leaving.

The Bold:

This should be another red flag. The soldiers should be aware of the transformation immediately, as they have just been completely infused with synthetic tech at the DNA level. They would be smarter, instantly healed, and part of a collective consciousness given most synthetics have this inherent ability to communicate via broadcast or tight-beam signals. Reactions uncharacteristic of evens should be cause to call those events into question.

Even if they are 'independent' and not a collective, they should instantly know something is different because half their brain is now synthetic. They should be able to deduce the situation in a nanosecond. Got to love quantum computing.

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

Actully there is a picture of him in the memorial section of the refugee section of the Citadale. This pretty much proves he's real.

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I personally figure he was probably real at the very beginning. I'm doubtful as to whether he was ever even at the building with the vent at all. I dont see how a kid could make it there on his own before Shepard and Anderson do.

[HyperGlass]

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

The problem with using the Rachni Queen as evidence is simply that they perceive the world in a very different way to what we do, and so their "oily shadows" is different to what we would expect.

You are at it again... Who told you this? The Queen?

She is using the mind of an Asari; of which she plucks the strings and the Asari understands... and thus the translator understands.

Funny how face value is only valid when it suits you.

[SubAstris]

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The problem with using the Rachni Queen as evidence is simply that they perceive the world in a very different way to what we do, and so their "oily shadows" is different to what we would expect.

You are at it again... Who told you this? The Queen?

She is using the mind of an Asari; of which she plucks the strings and the Asari understands... and thus the translator understands.

Funny how face value is only valid when it suits you.

I'm taking this from the ME wiki on the Rachni, "Their ways of perception, thinking and communications seem to be
different from that of other races, and based upon a synesthetic
perception of sound as both sound and color...They regard speech and thought as forms of music, as shown by the
strange metaphors used when attempting to communicate, for example,
"songs the color of oily shadow"

[HyperGlass]

Turbo_J wrote...


The Bold:

This should be another red flag. The soldiers should be aware of the transformation immediately, as they have just been completely infused with synthetic tech at the DNA level. They would be smarter, instantly healed, and part of a collective consciousness given most synthetics have this inherent ability to communicate via broadcast or tight-beam signals. Reactions uncharacteristic of evens should be cause to call those events into question.

Even if they are 'independent' and not a collective, they should instantly know something is different because half their brain is now synthetic. They should be able to deduce the situation in a nanosecond. Got to love quantum computing.

It would surely take some time to get used to I mean they've been changed on the genetic level they won't simply be staring at the Reapers while they fly away. They would feel violated at the transformation it's just awful.
But I'm not smart enough to work all that you just said

[SubAstris]

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Still seems odd that BW would do that

[Turbo_J]

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Tell me how a 7 year old boy, running past badly rendered sprite people fleeing in the oposite direction, traveled half a mile to a building and then scaled to the 8th floor balcony (there is no fire escape), in 7 minutes (give or take 2-3 minutes.

Explain that, and I'll consider he may have died in the explosion.

Based on observation, if he was real at all, it was when Shepard was watching him from the window. Given the park is on the roof of a building that has no visible access route, and said park does not exist at all after the Alliance HQ is hit, I'd say he never existed... and this isn't a case of the building rooftop being scorched off... there is no damage. The park simply does not exist once the Reaper capital ship takes out AHQ.

[comrade gando]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

And the butcher of Torfan suddenly gets all melancholy about losing people. Without IT it really seems that Bioware decided Shep was their character and not the players, which is a terrible move in an RPG.

"There was some feedback that we can't address. There are people who
just outright rejected the whole concept of the endings, and wanted us
to start from scratch and redo everything. And we can't do that because
that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write that story." -Mac Walters

I think it really was their story all along, not the players, even though they said upright the players are writing the story as much as they are. traitors.

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I completely agree with your point here. If the child was not an indoctrination device, then it was a poorly implemented attempt at getting us to feel something. All I felt was <_< every time I saw that kid.

Considering my renegade Shep is a Colonist, she saw way worse happen to children when slavers raided her home planet. After the kind of crap she saw on Mindoir, which, if you'll remember from the Spacer only mission in ME1, was bad enough to mentally scar even a veteran soldier like Zabaleta, the fact that a single kid can affect her so much is a bit odd.

There are oily shadows in those dreams like the Rachni Queen speaks about. I think in the 2nd and 3rd dreams you can make out reaper chatter. It was the reapers getting in Shepard's head. I'm not even sure that boy was real. There is nothing concrete to validate his existence outside of shepard's head. No other person even speaks to him or acknowledges his presence.

Actully there is a picture of him in the memorial section of the refugee section of the Citadale. This pretty much proves he's real.

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I personally figure he was probably real at the very beginning. I'm doubtful as to whether he was ever even at the building with the vent at all. I dont see how a kid could make it there on his own before Shepard and Anderson do.

That's just the oddest thing, making him real for one five second scene before making him a ghost

[SubAstris]

Turbo_J wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Tell me how a 7 year old boy, running past badly rendered sprite people fleeing in the oposite direction, traveled half a mile to a building and then scaled to the 8th floor balcony (there is no fire escape), in 7 minutes (give or take 2-3 minutes.

Explain that, and I'll consider he may have died in the explosion.

Based on observation, if he was real at all, it was when Shepard was watching him from the window. Given the park is on the roof of a building that has no visible access route, and said park does not exist at all after the Alliance HQ is hit, I'd say he never existed... and this isn't a case of the building rooftop being scorched off... there is no damage. The park simply does not exist once the Reaper capital ship takes out AHQ.

How do you explain the picture then?

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The problem with using the Rachni Queen as evidence is simply that they perceive the world in a very different way to what we do, and so their "oily shadows" is different to what we would expect.

You are at it again... Who told you this? The Queen?

She is using the mind of an Asari; of which she plucks the strings and the Asari understands... and thus the translator understands.

Funny how face value is only valid when it suits you.

I'm taking this from the ME wiki on the Rachni, "Their ways of perception, thinking and communications seem to be
different from that of other races, and based upon a synesthetic
perception of sound as both sound and color...They regard speech and thought as forms of music, as shown by the
strange metaphors used when attempting to communicate, for example,
"songs the color of oily shadow"

Yes, sound. Which they use to communicate. TV and Video is a form of communication. Visual communication... and they use sound. Sounds the color of oily shadows. Audio to Visual translation. It's a translation that the organics she is talking with can comprehend... evidently it's not a thing you can comprehend. Maybe you just saw static, like on Eden Prime?

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Tell me how a 7 year old boy, running past badly rendered sprite people fleeing in the oposite direction, traveled half a mile to a building and then scaled to the 8th floor balcony (there is no fire escape), in 7 minutes (give or take 2-3 minutes.

Explain that, and I'll consider he may have died in the explosion.

Based on observation, if he was real at all, it was when Shepard was watching him from the window. Given the park is on the roof of a building that has no visible access route, and said park does not exist at all after the Alliance HQ is hit, I'd say he never existed... and this isn't a case of the building rooftop being scorched off... there is no damage. The park simply does not exist once the Reaper capital ship takes out AHQ.

How do you explain the picture then?

You mean that pixelated picture that looks like nobody in particular?

Edit: And again, you ignore what actually matters and focus on the meaningless.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 21 juillet 2012 - 11:26 .

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Tell me how a 7 year old boy, running past badly rendered sprite people fleeing in the oposite direction, traveled half a mile to a building and then scaled to the 8th floor balcony (there is no fire escape), in 7 minutes (give or take 2-3 minutes.

Explain that, and I'll consider he may have died in the explosion.

Based on observation, if he was real at all, it was when Shepard was watching him from the window. Given the park is on the roof of a building that has no visible access route, and said park does not exist at all after the Alliance HQ is hit, I'd say he never existed... and this isn't a case of the building rooftop being scorched off... there is no damage. The park simply does not exist once the Reaper capital ship takes out AHQ.

How do you explain the picture then?

You're right. Creating a passible fascimile of a human child that is convincing enough to fool Shepard is all well and good, but creating the image of a picture on a wall? Thats just impossible!

[DoomsdayDevice]

Anderson in the Earth DLC trailer:

"The Earth is ours, and if they want it, they'll have to go through us... AGAIN."

Again? Subliminal message anyone? Or am I just imagining things?

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Yes that is exactly my point.
I can understand the whole Anderson/TIM vision (no Sarren WHY?!) but that was excessive.

I figure having Saren there would make it far too obvious.

Not to mention that there'd be a lot of PS3 players and people who'd not played ME1 going "Who's this guy?"

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

So you don't think he is an apparition at the start? Or do you think he was real to start with, then died in the vent or somewhat, and the rest of his appearance was fabrication on Shepard's part?

I do believe he died when the Reaper hit the apartment there is just no way anyone could survive that. After that well what you said. The kid even looks back at Shepard or it sure seems that way. But that picture does have ground to prove he is real so I assume he dies in the apartment.

Tell me how a 7 year old boy, running past badly rendered sprite people fleeing in the oposite direction, traveled half a mile to a building and then scaled to the 8th floor balcony (there is no fire escape), in 7 minutes (give or take 2-3 minutes.

Explain that, and I'll consider he may have died in the explosion.

Based on observation, if he was real at all, it was when Shepard was watching him from the window. Given the park is on the roof of a building that has no visible access route, and said park does not exist at all after the Alliance HQ is hit, I'd say he never existed... and this isn't a case of the building rooftop being scorched off... there is no damage. The park simply does not exist once the Reaper capital ship takes out AHQ.

How do you explain the picture then?

You're right. Creating a passible fascimile of a human child that is convincing enough to fool Shepard is all well and good, but creating the image of a picture on a wall? Thats just impossible!

In such a non-indoctrination like setting? Unlikely. BW didn't need to go to the effort of making a picture and making him seem real, but the did. That should tell you something

[HyperGlass]

Then why make the kid real for only a minute then suddenly turn him into a ghost? So Shep sees some kid for no more than a minute and he gets imprinted into his/her mind that acts as a fuel for guilt?