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[masster blaster]

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

Edit: i know yes the Synthesis ending is not real, but in real life that happened.

Modifié par masster blaster, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:51 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

What the hell? This happened to me again:



I swear, one of these days I'll assault Cronos Station without first dying at the squad selection screen.

A consequence of choosing Destroy. EDI can't undie.

Modifié par paxxton, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:50 .

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

What the hell? This happened to me again:



I swear, one of these days I'll assault Cronos Station without first dying at the squad selection screen.

I guess Harbinger is getting board with your Shepard and decided to end Shepard live before Shepard goes to TIMS base.


JK=]

Modifié par masster blaster, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:58 .

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

One thing I would say is that with all the cycles this has been one of the most devestating for the reapers. Whole reapers have been lost because of Shepard and the Normandy crew.

If they could turn Shepard and friends into genetic goo and gain their memories/experiences it would help ensure that what happened this cycle will never happen again.

[BansheeOwnage]

Thought I'd repost this.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Okay. So I'll start by saying I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here; this is just my interpretation.

So I felt like I'd compile a list of evidence (to me at least) from the new Earth DLC and its trailer. You could boil it down to reused assets if you want but "nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise". Here it goes.

Let's start with the DLC itself, not the trailer:

Grasping at straws emergency induction ports: When I looked at the map order and realized that they are not in alphabetical order I was curious to know why there were in the order they are in (Rio, Vancouver, London). Then I realized what it spells when I used the first letter of each in order: RVL = Reveal.

Not grasping at straws emergency induction ports: Voices. So I am fairly sure the Shadow infiltrator is voiced by engineer Daniels. You can really tell with certain lines. Weird right?

Next, the new VI drone in the escort mission is, as far as I can tell, voiced by engineer Adams in a pitched up Salarian voice. Remember he voiced Padok Wiks in a higher voice. I can't tell who voices the Destroyer or Paladin but I don't recognize them. If it was engineer Donnelly putting on a North American accent I think that would really be interesting. Why? IMO this points to post ending DLC involving the GX12-Chekhov's-gun. Maybe the Normandy is fighting in space and if you don't have the GX12 the three engies get vapourised! It's a big "if" but I don't care.

The warning sign in Firebase Vancouver. You see it immediately after exiting the enormous ladder that it also a vent. Not just any warning sign either. The one used in SP Vancouver with the kid. The one (no longer) specific to that scene. Note it says "Warning: Code 89" on it. A Code 89 means a crime against nature = a reaper.

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this:
- The map was released very soon after the base game; it would have already fully/partially existed.
- The map fits fairly well with the current mission. If you didn't notice on the map itself, there are Geth virtual reality pods in its control room, near an unused tram system.
- As you can see from the following vid at starting at about 1:40, the scene cuts quite abruptly from Shepard walking with his squad at the beginning of the mission (like always happens in missions right before taking control of Shepard) to the squad being inside. Shepard then pops out a heat sink. Why would you need to do that if you haven't fought anyone yet?
- There is no actual combat in this mission. I think the MP map area would have been it, but was cut most likely to either shorten the mission or, more likely, so as not to break the non-reality aspect of the mission.
Geth consensus mission:
So my point here is to simply emphasize that all MP maps, even Hydra, are based of SP locations. IMO this is clear evidence that points to a post ending DLC, seeing as they only way I can think of Rio being in SP is IT.

Rio: The map itself is quite interesting and unique, as it features a large as-of-yet unknown facility in the ocean. The whole area is heavily defended, and has the look of something quite important (some sort of research facility?) Close to the landing pad the N7 operatives land on, there is a gate (already open in MP) that says "Restricted Access" or something to that effect. This is the direction you would travel in the Rio SP mission. Following that path you will soon end up at the control-center looking thing in the middle of the map. This sparked my attention, and I immediately started looking for a ladder. Sure enough, go inside this and look up. There is a trap door in the ceiling. Looks like the ladder going through the trap door was cut in MP for obvious reasons. So the objective thus far would be to get inside the control center and activate the AA guns/drain the water/open the facility somehow. Not sure exactly how the mission would go after that, but whether this is an N7 facility or not, it is impressive that it has been this well defended up until the fleets' arrival. This would also most likely answer the question of how we would defeat the reapers if IT is true. Perhaps there is some sort of weapon there? Speculation for everyone.

Earth MP trailer:
Aside from being quite epic, the trailer is very interesting IMO. For starters, this trailer confirms the MP timeline. The fleets are just about to arrive. This fits with the IT reveal possibly fitting within the MP timeline. Anyway, at 0:23, it looks like instead of Shepard, Anderson, and the squad, they replaced their models with the MP characters. This on its own means nothing; it is reusing assets. What is interesting is at 0:27-0:30 and at 0:38 especially it also looks like reused assets. But from where? There is no Rio SP mission. (Or is there?) Let's look into 0:38-0:43 more closely. Assuming this is SP with the models replaced with MP characters, it would most likely be Shepard (judging from the looking-around animation and the camera emphasis on the destroyer-soldier, I would assume this is the replacement for Shepard's model), 2 squadmates and Anderson(?) having already dealt with Coats in London.Further evidence for this is the lack of Cobras on their backs. IMO the trailer screamed "This isn't over yet!" Anderson's "Until the fleets return" line seemed to me that we have to hold out until "the fleets" arrive, metaphorically. Also, I heard that Anderson's trailer speech is, for the most part, in the EC files. Why they would be there is a mystery to me, as I can't even think of an IT reason for it. If you can, please post it.

So yeah, there you go. Some things to think about!

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

One thing I would say is that with all the cycles this has been one of the most devestating for the reapers. Whole reapers have been lost because of Shepard and the Normandy crew.

If they could turn Shepard and friends into genetic goo and gain their memories/experiences it would help ensure that what happened this cycle will never happen again.

I'm sure the protheans did a number on them too though, considering it took centuries to kill them off.

[masster blaster]

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

One thing I would say is that with all the cycles this has been one of the most devestating for the reapers. Whole reapers have been lost because of Shepard and the Normandy crew.

If they could turn Shepard and friends into genetic goo and gain their memories/experiences it would help ensure that what happened this cycle will never happen again.

it would make sense that Synthesis is there, and if this is a dream/Indoc attempt, then Harbinger tricked Sheaprd into fuseing Sheaprds very being into Harbinger itself. Like it wanted to do since ME2.

[Lokanaiya]

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

[munnellyladt]

byne wrote...

What the hell? This happened to me again:



I swear, one of these days I'll assault Cronos Station without first dying at the squad selection screen.

OMG!

This happened to me aswell before cronos.I picked my squad then the critical mission failure music started to play then as i was about to pickmy loadout that happened,How can you be dead before even going into the damn thing.
Imagine that,the war to the reapers was lost because shepard accidently shot himself before even taken a step of the normandy.

[masster blaster]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Modifié par masster blaster, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:02 .

[Big_Boss9]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

Correct. Your EMS is frozen, as it were, once you began the assault on the station.

[masster blaster]

munnellyladt wrote...

byne wrote...

What the hell? This happened to me again:



I swear, one of these days I'll assault Cronos Station without first dying at the squad selection screen.

OMG!

This happened to me aswell before cronos.I picked my squad then the critical mission failure music started to play then as i was about to pickmy loadout that happened,How can you be dead before even going into the damn thing.
Imagine that,the war to the reapers was lost because shepard accidently shot himself before even taken a step of the normandy.

That's so weird, because I picked Destroy and did an nother play through with Destroy as my choice, and I never got that.

[munnellyladt]

MaximizedAction wrote...

xxclonexx2 wrote...

Another funny thing about that is how there are no lasers being shot when Shep is making his or her goodbyes. What a gent that Harbi.

Interestingly, there is some Reaper comm going on during that scene. Listen closely:
www.youtube.com/watch (at 1:30-1:31)

It's also there on low EMS, that is when your squad gets shot down.

EDIT: Even better quality:
www.youtube.com/watch

I've always wondered what the soilders in that scene were shooting at.

[Lokanaiya]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

Correct. Your EMS is frozen, as it were, once you began the assault on the station.

So what's the point of the Reaper heart/brain?

[BansheeOwnage]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

Correct. Your EMS is frozen, as it were, once you began the assault on the station.

Wrong. They're frozen when you click on the local cluster. Thought that was kind of obvious, seeing as how you get EMS in Cronos...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

Edit: i know yes the Synthesis ending is not real, but in real life that happened.

You are close. Think more broadly. What did Legion have that was so special that it was necessary for him to disseminate his personality to all Geth? Perspective...

What do you think would happen to the Reapers if an indoctrinated Shepard were to be disseminated to all Reapers?

It could be... problematic.

[Big_Boss9]

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

[masster blaster]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

oh never notice that.

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

Edit: i know yes the Synthesis ending is not real, but in real life that happened.

You are close. Think more broadly. What did Legion have that was so special that it was necessary for him to disseminate his personality to all Geth? Perspective...

What do you think would happen to the Reapers if an indoctrinated Shepard were to be disseminated to all Reapers?

It could be... problematic.

Legion had reaper code upgrades too. That was the important part.

[masster blaster]

Turbo_J wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

Edit: i know yes the Synthesis ending is not real, but in real life that happened.

You are close. Think more broadly. What did Legion have that was so special that it was necessary for him to disseminate his personality to all Geth? Perspective...

What do you think would happen to the Reapers if an indoctrinated Shepard were to be disseminated to all Reapers?

It could be... problematic.

yes that's what I fear  that for the people who pick Synthesis you gave the Reapers an upgrade.

[Big_Boss9]

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

oh never notice that.

Not that it especially matters anymore, since you can now get the best ending without even touching MP, but there it is.

[masster blaster]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

oh never notice that.

Not that it especially matters anymore, since you can now get the best ending without even touching MP, but there it is.

Yes but if IT is true, then it's better save than sorry.

[Big_Boss9]

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

oh never notice that.

Not that it especially matters anymore, since you can now get the best ending without even touching MP, but there it is.

Yes but if IT is true, then it's better save than sorry.

What does IT have to do with playing MP? It's an essentially storyless horde mode, with the exception of the bi-weekly paragraph. You can maintain your GR at 100% without touching MP as it is.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:17 .

[Simon_Says]

Turbo_J wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys after playing Overlord I have come to a conclusion, that Harbinger wants Shepard to fuse with Himself to become the ultimate Reaper.

Think about it Synthesis makes no sense right, and the way you jump in the beam is like Shepard is every genetic material is being fused with harbinger. And you may argue that Control is Shepard becoming a Reaper, but Synthesis is Shepard and Harbinger combing with each other to create the perfect Reaper that is the principle of evolution.

harbinger since ME2 is always talking about humans have the requirements to make more Reapers, but Harbinger sees Humanity AKA Shepard that by fusing everything that Shepard is Harbinger could use that against the other cycle, and this one about using Shepard's methods of getting thing done, and maybe making the Reapers feel emotion so that when the time comes for the next cycle. harbinger can play the innocent act, and indoctrinate another race, so that the Reapers can be the heroes of the next cycle, only to find out the Reapers are monsters from hell.

Edit: i know yes the Synthesis ending is not real, but in real life that happened.

You are close. Think more broadly. What did Legion have that was so special that it was necessary for him to disseminate his personality to all Geth? Perspective...

What do you think would happen to the Reapers if an indoctrinated Shepard were to be disseminated to all Reapers?

It could be... problematic.

Holy sh*tnuggets I think you guys may have just cracked what actually happens when Shepard picks synthesis, assming IT.

Control: Indoctrination
Synthesis: Dissemination

It's not just two different forms of indoctrination! And no wonder synthesis is only unlocked at higher EMS. If Shepard has done so well, why wouldn't the reapers want to incorporate Shepard's strengths into thier own?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick question: Isn't EMS totaled right before Cronos Station, and anything you get after you finish it doesn't matter?

No I got the 6 fleet after TIMs base was taken over by my Shepard, and i got the Reaper heart.

Mu assets where not frozen.

Yes, those two assets auto join after Cronos (because there's no other opportunity to get them), but your Readiness multiplier is locked. So if you, for example, decide to do Cronos at 100% GR and hold off on Earth for a couple weeks, your EMS will maintain the 100% GR. 

oh never notice that.

Not that it especially matters anymore, since you can now get the best ending without even touching MP, but there it is.

Yes but if IT is true, then it's better save than sorry.

What does IT have to do with playing MP? It's an essentially storyless horde mode, with the exception of the bi-weekly paragraph.

I think he means if IT is true he wants the best ending possible, but if it isn't he doesn't really care. Mirite?