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[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Crap, I've gotten 5 damn premium spectre packs, and in 4 of them, I get the same damn N7 hurricane upgrade! It pisses me off!

Think of the positives though! If you want a gun to deal a lot of damage to an enemy roughly the size and shape of a cruise liner at a distance of about 12 feet, there's a fair chance that the majority of your bullets will hit

As for this thread being slow - well, there's surely not that much to discuss til leviathan gets released next month?

Speculations or did I miss an announcement?

Reading between the lines of what's been said by some of the bioware staff lately, it's undergoing microsoft/sony certification and QA. Next month seems highly likely.

[HyperGlass]

I have a starting point of a discussion a page back if anyone wants to go and have a blast. Really I think nothing of it and it's just the machine "setting" after being used but you may never know.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

I was playing a bit of multiplayer and panic-studying

Also, disappointingly my laptop starts chugging into low framerates during the more hectic multiplayer fights. Not helpful.

Here's hoping they wait til I've got my desktop back before releasing Leviathan

What happened to your shiny newly-built 2nd-place 1350W desktop?

Modifié par paxxton, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[estebanus]

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Crap, I've gotten 5 damn premium spectre packs, and in 4 of them, I get the same damn N7 hurricane upgrade! It pisses me off!

Think of the positives though! If you want a gun to deal a lot of damage to an enemy roughly the size and shape of a cruise liner at a distance of about 12 feet, there's a fair chance that the majority of your bullets will hit

As for this thread being slow - well, there's surely not that much to discuss til leviathan gets released next month?

Speculations or did I miss an announcement?

Reading between the lines of what's been said by some of the bioware staff lately, it's undergoing microsoft/sony certification and QA. Next month seems highly likely.

... Ok...

[TheConstantOne]

Eryri wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Actually the atom energy theory doesn't hold as much weight because eezo energy and the energy sources in mass effect are apparently so powerful that all the atoms in Shepard's body shouldn't add up to that much (in relativity to how much energy the crucible is holding).

I don't follow but let me say this. If Shepard's atoms' nuclei are bombarded with nanides (which may actually flow in the Crucible's beam), they can be broken because the nuclei receive energy from the movement of nanides and collisions. Then energy contained in Shepard is released.

Not sure if you're joking (sorry I have a bad internet irony detector). But I don't think atomic physics works like that. Thinking back to High School physics -  nuclei are bound together with the strong nuclear force, which is incredibly hard to overcome. It's only easy to split big unstable atoms like Uranium, because those nuclei are oversized for the binding energy they posses and "want" to drop down to a more stable element - the most stable element of all being iron. 

Shepard is made of stable, low mass atoms like carbon and oxygen, which would require energy to be input to split them. Those nuclei would prefer to fuse to form heavier atoms if anything - which would require enormous pressure and temperature - such as the core of a red giant star.

God, you'd almost think I knew what the hell I was talking about. 

Well, s/he doesn't have to be fused for his energy to be added. After all, if Shep's body is in the beam then he becomes part of the Crucible's system. Original energy + Shep's energy=synthesis energy  .  So, the Catalyst is telling the truth about Shep does...but not so much about how the process actually works haha. I always imagined as something of an information dissemination, like what Legion pulled of to ascend the geth. 

Anyway, literal or IT interpretation, I think you almost have to interpret the Catalyst room as a dream state.  It's been a while since I've commented on this thread (since before the EC, I think) but I was always a fan of trying to find viable explanations on what happens in IT and literalist interpretations.  Yes, I am the synthesis option of the two debate sides 

The literal interpretation for synthesis (and all the choices, really) makes more sense if you consider that the Citadel is Reaper tech and could potentially communicate with minds (like indoctrination but less damning.)  The Citadel contained an AI that regularly assessed the state of the galaxy to ensure that its solution was still working.  The Crucible docking enabled the Citadel to send unique signals through the mass relay network and to communicate with the operator of the weapon.  Shepard was in a pretty bad state approaching the control panel in the TIM/Anderson scene but the Citadel communicating with him is what we see with the Catalyst room. The three roads are merely symbolic of the options Shepard has with the device. Control and synthesis both require an information dissemination like what Legion went through and are thus fatal to Shepard's body.

This idea is plausible for two reasons: 1) The complete ambiguity of what the Crucible is (EC says it is largely an energy device but that doesn't rule out the idea that the structure could carry software to manipulate the Citadel's functions; which I think it would have to reallydo anything. I doubt the Catalyst did anything on its own because for the ME story to be consistent the Catalyst can't directly control the Citadel) and 2) the Catalyst speaks with a male/female Shepard voice echoing along with it, implying that it is somehow linked to Shepard's consciousness.

Anyway, figured I'd chime in and provide a new idea for everyone.

[CoolioThane]

- It could be Shepard taking a last breath before death

- The Kid is the face of all the people on Earth Shepard couldn’t save

- The shadows in the dreams are people we’ve lost

- Walters “want to make stuff there shine, not to reach out to people looking for something that wasn’t intended”

- If we choose Refuse, the next cycle use the Crucible - not indoctrination

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

- Harbinger doesn't say anything

- No canon

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I was playing a bit of multiplayer and panic-studying

Also, disappointingly my laptop starts chugging into low framerates during the more hectic multiplayer fights. Not helpful.

Here's hoping they wait til I've got my desktop back before releasing Leviathan

What happened to your shiny newly-built 2nd-place 1350W desktop?

It's 500 miles away at my parent's place, busy mining bitcoins as they have much cheaper electricity than I do 
I'll be back there late august...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Crap, I've gotten 5 damn premium spectre packs, and in 4 of them, I get the same damn N7 hurricane upgrade! It pisses me off!

Think of the positives though! If you want a gun to deal a lot of damage to an enemy roughly the size and shape of a cruise liner at a distance of about 12 feet, there's a fair chance that the majority of your bullets will hit

As for this thread being slow - well, there's surely not that much to discuss til leviathan gets released next month?

Speculations or did I miss an announcement?

Reading between the lines of what's been said by some of the bioware staff lately, it's undergoing microsoft/sony certification and QA. Next month seems highly likely.

... Ok... 

July 18th - Priestly has been playing the Leviathan DLC as it's "finished"
July 20th - This tweet from ME3's lead designer:


http://twitter.com/m...388953417265152 
" Big content review today on [SECRET]. I'm pretty excited where things are going and to start the next steps. "

Seems likely that we'll get it soon.

[TSA_383]

CoolioThane wrote...

- It could be Shepard taking a last breath before death

- The Kid is the face of all the people on Earth Shepard couldn’t save

- The shadows in the dreams are people we’ve lost

- Walters “want to make stuff there shine, not to reach out to people looking for something that wasn’t intended”

- If we choose Refuse, the next cycle use the Crucible - not indoctrination

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

- Harbinger doesn't say anything

- No canon

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

I want to build constructive arguments but all I ever come out with is "OH MY GOD YOU'RE JUST SO WRONG!" when confronted with these...

[estebanus]

TSA_383 wrote...




July 18th - Priestly has been playing the Leviathan DLC as it's "finished"
July 20th - This tweet from ME3's lead designer:


http://twitter.com/m...388953417265152 
" Big content review today on [SECRET]. I'm pretty excited where things are going and to start the next steps. "

Seems likely that we'll get it soon.

Ok! Thanks!

[CoolioThane]

TSA_383 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

- It could be Shepard taking a last breath before death

- The Kid is the face of all the people on Earth Shepard couldn’t save

- The shadows in the dreams are people we’ve lost

- Walters “want to make stuff there shine, not to reach out to people looking for something that wasn’t intended”

- If we choose Refuse, the next cycle use the Crucible - not indoctrination

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

- Harbinger doesn't say anything

- No canon

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

I want to build constructive arguments but all I ever come out with is "OH MY GOD YOU'RE JUST SO WRONG!" when confronted with these...

Luckily we'll all listen! 

[estebanus]

Has Bioware actually literally confirmed Leviathan? I mean, have they ever said "Yes, the Leviathan DLC is true?"

[TheConstantOne]

CoolioThane wrote...

- It could be Shepard taking a last breath before death

- The Kid is the face of all the people on Earth Shepard couldn’t save

- The shadows in the dreams are people we’ve lost

- Walters “want to make stuff there shine, not to reach out to people looking for something that wasn’t intended”

- If we choose Refuse, the next cycle use the Crucible - not indoctrination

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

- Harbinger doesn't say anything

- No canon

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

People's complaints about the breath scene still being ambiguous post EC is really driving me crazy.  Yes, if you want things to go that way, you can consider it a last gasp. Nothing says you can't interpret it that way.  But the squadmate/LI choosing NOT to put Shepard's name on the wall, followed by the breath is a STRONG indication that Shepard did in fact survive.  Sometimes you just have to take a hint; we all do that in dating so this isn't a foreign concept 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CoolioThane wrote...

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

Ill bite on this one.

First of if he refers to the entire Citadel beeing able to be sealed then I dont see how it would help Shepard. The Explosion would still come within the Citadel. Sure it would help exposure, but not much else.

Also there is the little fact that the Citadel does not seal.

If he simply means the area where Shepard is then I am gonna ask how and why?

How in that nothing near Sheaprd looks like it could move in a way to cover him, especially not with the Crucible hanging overhead as beeing an addon to the Citadel it would probably not be compatible with any sealing manuevers.

Why in the fact that the area Shepard is on is not used by anything on the Citadel, no housing, no nothing, why should it be sealable.

And every part of this still brings up the problem taht the explosion is seen ripping holes in the Citadel, massive holes.

[byne]

CoolioThane wrote...

- It could be Shepard taking a last breath before death

The file for that video clip is literally named ShepAlive. I dont think they'd name it that if Shep is dead.

- The Kid is the face of all the people on Earth Shepard couldn’t save

Ok, and? Thats what IT claims he is too. Thats why the Reapers are using his image to manipulate Shepard.

- The shadows in the dreams are people we’ve lost

Considering I only lost like one person I cared about between each dream, that sure is a lot of extra, pointless shadows. If they are meant to represent people killed in the war, there arent nearly enough of them. Either way that doesnt make any sense.

- Walters “want to make stuff there shine, not to reach out to people looking for something that wasn’t intended”

That quote can be taken either way, really. He didnt clarify what they were making shine.

- If we choose Refuse, the next cycle use the Crucible - not indoctrination

They use it while the Reapers are in dark space, and therefore out of range of the Crucible, and somehow that stops the war? I dont think so.

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

Wat. People seriously think this?

- Citadel can be sealed so Shepard could survive the explosion and subsequent exposure

And Shepard could have taken a shuttle off the Citadel and survived. The problem is, we clearly see that neither of those things happen.

- Harbinger doesn't say anything

And? He didnt say anything pre-EC either. Something remaining consistent in no way affects IT.

- No canon

Thats nice, I guess? Thats not relevant in any way, really.

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

I'd say yes.

[HyperGlass]

estebanus wrote...

Has Bioware actually literally confirmed Leviathan? I mean, have they ever said "Yes, the Leviathan DLC is true?"

On that note what about the "Retake Omega" DLC? Or is that simply a dead rumour now?

[TSA_383]

HyperGlass wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Has Bioware actually literally confirmed Leviathan? I mean, have they ever said "Yes, the Leviathan DLC is true?"

On that note what about the "Retake Omega" DLC? Or is that simply a dead rumour now?

It seems more like cut content than an imminent upcoming DLC. They might make it after Leviathan though.
And yes, Leviathan is confirmed. The screenshots from the SDCC sneak-preview match the script we've pulled from the game files.

[HyperGlass]

TSA_383 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Has Bioware actually literally confirmed Leviathan? I mean, have they ever said "Yes, the Leviathan DLC is true?"

On that note what about the "Retake Omega" DLC? Or is that simply a dead rumour now?

It seems more like cut content than an imminent upcoming DLC. They might make it after Leviathan though.
And yes, Leviathan is confirmed. The screenshots from the SDCC sneak-preview match the script we've pulled from the game files.

They better atleast include an ending slide if they ever do make it. Aria's fate was left unconfirmed as she could have fled but we don't know and it'd be nice to see Aria just chilling on Omega again.

[CoolioThane]

byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

Wat. People seriously think this?

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

I'd say yes.

Boom.

Yes, it stems from a quote from Gamble replying to "why does Shepard hold her side like that?" and he responded with "He's very injured from the beam did you not notice?"

Very clever answer muahaha

Modifié par CoolioThane, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:56 .

[TSA_383]

CoolioThane wrote...

byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

- Wound received by Shepard where he shot Anderson is just a wound from the beam

Wat. People seriously think this?

These were the themes of the quotes shown to me - Is there any way that we can argue against these points?

I'd say yes.

Boom.

Yes, it stems from a quote from Gamble replying to "why does Shepard hold her side like that?" and he responded with "He's very injured from the beam did you not notice?"

Very clever answer muahaha

Gamble comes across on twitter as the master troll.
Starts the discussion, then shuts it down with a noncomittal answer before it reaches its conclusion 

[HyperGlass]

Lol. Yea that would be belivable if Shepard weren't clutching the EXACT SAME SIDE Anderson was shot on. Oh Gamble!

[Samtheman63]

guys a big freaking laser that utterly destroys anything in its path its obviously where shepard got the small torso wound

[TJBartlemus]

Hey guys!! Miss anything big in the last 30 pages?? Regarding the fact Shepard could of survived on the Citadel cause part of it sealed from the explosion is BS.

1- He was at ground zero of the explosion. 2- He is on the bottom surface of the Citadel tower and above the Crucible. There is nothing to seal off from an explosion. 3- No one else is there or has ever been there before, just Shepard. So there is no way someone dragged his body away in the 3 seconds that it took to activate. 4- An explosion that size that close would easily knock out Shepard who is already suffering from blood loss and can barely stand. There is no way he could get up and away from the Crucible activating in such short time and is in no condition to do so.

[TSA_383]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hey guys!! Miss anything big in the last 30 pages?? Regarding the fact Shepard could of survived on the Citadel cause part of it sealed from the explosion is BS.

1- He was at ground zero of the explosion. 2- He is on the bottom surface of the Citadel tower and above the Crucible. There is nothing to seal off from an explosion. 3- No one else is there or has ever been there before, just Shepard. So there is no way someone dragged his body away in the 3 seconds that it took to activate. 4- An explosion that size that close would easily knock out Shepard who is already suffering from blood loss and can barely stand. There is no way he could get up and away from the Crucible activating in such short time and is in no condition to do so.

The citadel ring is what? 7KM across?

That makes the explosion somewhere in the tens of megatons, given the fireball radius.

So yeah, survival at the epicentre = impossible.

Samtheman63 wrote...

guys a big freaking laser that utterly destroys anything in its path its obviously where shepard got the small torso wound

 
Well DUH!
Naturally that laser that one-shots dreadnoughts and has vapourised dozens of marines in that scene alone would be the thing to cause the small side wound that shepard very pointedly gets after shooting "anderson"...

[CoolioThane]

Courtesy of Banshee:

Surely all of the minds building the Crucible would have realised the diameter of the Crucible's arms matches exactly the ring of the Citadel...

[Arian Dynas]

leonia42 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


Well his voice is, that's what BW said, yes. I don't know what it really means because if the Reapers were in his mind and they are taking his memories, why does he have a memory of a female part of himself? Does that say anything about IT? I'm not saying I have a better explanation necessarily, just that it is very odd.

They said it was "partly" taken from memories. So the parts were the kid's voice and your Shep's voice. So if they access your memories it's fair to say thay take the form of that child from your memories...and dreams?

Right but why use both genders of Shepard for the voice if only one can exist in any one telling of the story?

Why not combine your chosen gender's voice with some other neutral voice or just leave that voice on its own?

1). Everyone has a feminine side.

2). Budget.

Take your pick.