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[smokingotter1]

That'd be crazy if BW just copied a lot from Inception in making the ending to ME3. The post Harbinger beam (aka the part where you killed Maurader Shields) could be the super ego part of Shepard pushing forward no matter what.

Citadel could be Shepard's ego trying to reconcile the parts of his mind.

Decision chamber could represent Shepard's ID: his driving force.
A. Does Shepard lust for control? 
B. Shepard driven by his need to destroy the reapers at all costs?
C. Or does a high EMS unlocking synthesis prove that Shepard's ability to bring together all races drives his desire for true unity or synthesis?

Is what the stargazer talks about, some of the details "lost in time" and "one more story" a reference to what happens after Shepard's ID makes its defining decision? After the breathe but before the crucible fires?

Is the "catalyst" an attempt at "inception?" Is dream planet "limbo?"

Massception.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:24 .

[byne]

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Modifié par byne, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:25 .

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

That'd be crazy if BW just copied a lot from Inception in making the ending to ME3. The post Harbinger beam (aka the part where you killed Maurader Shields) could be the super ego part of Shepard pushing forward no matter what.

Citadel could be Shepard's ego trying to reconcile the parts of his mind.

Decision chamber could represent Shepard's ID: his driving force.
A. Does Shepard lust for control? 
B. Shepard driven by his need to destroy the reapers at all costs?
C. Or does a high EMS unlocking synthesis prove that Shepard's ability to bring together all races drives his desire for true unity or synthesis?

Is what the stargazer talks about, some of the details "lost in time" and "one more story" a reference to what happens after Shepard's ID makes its defining decision? After the breathe but before the crucible fires?

Is the "catalyst" an attempt at "inception?" Is dream planet "limbo?"

Massception.

There can be a lot of interesting comparisons. Indoctrination is basically inception though. The reapers suggest things, they don't use mind control like a lot of people think. They plant an idea in your mind. You have to do the rest.

[byne]

Inception seems to come up all the time in this thread. I should probably see that movie at some point.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Off topic: I almost never comment on youtube because it's filled with...ummm...you know.

On topic: That's actually really interesting. Quick! Add it to the list of thing-made-pointless if the literal endings are true! Like saving the geth! On a similar note, I don't think Grunt will ever appear (need confirmation) in synthesis. Can you think of a reason for this? The only one I could think of was something to do with him already being the "perfect" krogan. What would synthesis do to him?

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Inception seems to come up all the time in this thread. I should probably see that movie at some point.

It was actually a great movie. One of those "Dude...that was a good movie" movies. Like really well done. That kind of really rare movie that has many subtleties and everything. At least that's what I thought.

P.S. Watch it through the IT monocle.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Off topic: I almost never comment on youtube because it's filled with...ummm...you know.

On topic: That's actually really interesting. Quick! Add it to the list of thing-made-pointless if the literal endings are true! Like saving the geth! On a similar note, I don't think Grunt will ever appear (need confirmation) in synthesis. Can you think of a reason for this? The only one I could think of was something to do with him already being the "perfect" krogan. What would synthesis do to him?

Does Grunt ever appear in any of the endings? I cant recall seeing him. Could have just forgotten though.

Also, another thing I learned from my Renegade/Synthesis playthrough: the Renegade option with TIM on Thessia involves this interesting snippet of dialogue:

Shep: Listen to yourself! The Reapers have it right?! You're indoctrinated! You're doing exactly what the Reapers want!

TIM: I could say the same of you. Wasting time on a war that cant be won.

I still find that to be pretty interesting.

Modifié par byne, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Off topic: I almost never comment on youtube because it's filled with...ummm...you know.

On topic: That's actually really interesting. Quick! Add it to the list of thing-made-pointless if the literal endings are true! Like saving the geth! On a similar note, I don't think Grunt will ever appear (need confirmation) in synthesis. Can you think of a reason for this? The only one I could think of was something to do with him already being the "perfect" krogan. What would synthesis do to him?

Does Grunt ever appear in any of the endings? I cant recall seeing him. Could have just forgotten though.

Also, another thing I learned from my Renegade/Synthesis playthrough: the Renegade option with TIM on Thessia involves this interesting snippet of dialogue:

Shep: Listen to yourself! The Reapers have it right?! You're indoctrinated! You're doing exactly what the Reapers want!

TIM: I could say the same of you. Wasting time on a war that cant be won.

I still find that to be pretty interesting.

That is really intersting actually. Anyway, yes Grunt is in destroy at least (I saw him on mine) which actually makes it weirder that he is replaced by the kroguard in Wrex's slide. You know what pisses me off though? That Javik isn't in even a slide. The guy who had 3 different forshadowed post ending plans. That was one thing I was really expecting in EC. But he doesn't even have a slide of him about to kill himself, being King of the Hanar™ or writing the book with Liara...

[smokingotter1]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Off topic: I almost never comment on youtube because it's filled with...ummm...you know.

On topic: That's actually really interesting. Quick! Add it to the list of thing-made-pointless if the literal endings are true! Like saving the geth! On a similar note, I don't think Grunt will ever appear (need confirmation) in synthesis. Can you think of a reason for this? The only one I could think of was something to do with him already being the "perfect" krogan. What would synthesis do to him?

Does Grunt ever appear in any of the endings? I cant recall seeing him. Could have just forgotten though.

Also, another thing I learned from my Renegade/Synthesis playthrough: the Renegade option with TIM on Thessia involves this interesting snippet of dialogue:

Shep: Listen to yourself! The Reapers have it right?! You're indoctrinated! You're doing exactly what the Reapers want!

TIM: I could say the same of you. Wasting time on a war that cant be won.

I still find that to be pretty interesting.

It's hilarious that both TIM and Shepard can be correct about each other falling to indoctrination. It's like the "Allegory of the Cave", only they can see shadows (hey Shepard's dream!) but they cannot see reality. For more info.

Anyway the entire Thessia mission just seemed off to me for some reason. I mean I was already filled with dread on my first playthrough because of all the dreams and weirdness with the kid. When Shepard snapped at Joker-

"Uh oh, something is not right here, now I know something is off"

It was just jarring and ... that got my attention.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

So, completely irrelevant but good news everyone!

I had been unable to reply to youtube comments, but after spending like two hours trying to figure out why, I fixed the problem!

I never realized how much I'd miss being able to reply to comments.



Anyhow, to get things somewhat on topic: When I picked synthesis yesterday, the end slideshow showed krogan having children even though I sabotaged the genophage. Does space magic cure the genophage? If so, that makes not only Mordin's death, but the entire first half of the game entirely pointless if you pick synthesis, doesnt it?

Or did godchild just slip up when trying to present pretty images to make me feel happy and forget I didnt cure the genophage?

Off topic: I almost never comment on youtube because it's filled with...ummm...you know.

On topic: That's actually really interesting. Quick! Add it to the list of thing-made-pointless if the literal endings are true! Like saving the geth! On a similar note, I don't think Grunt will ever appear (need confirmation) in synthesis. Can you think of a reason for this? The only one I could think of was something to do with him already being the "perfect" krogan. What would synthesis do to him?

Does Grunt ever appear in any of the endings? I cant recall seeing him. Could have just forgotten though.

Also, another thing I learned from my Renegade/Synthesis playthrough: the Renegade option with TIM on Thessia involves this interesting snippet of dialogue:

Shep: Listen to yourself! The Reapers have it right?! You're indoctrinated! You're doing exactly what the Reapers want!

TIM: I could say the same of you. Wasting time on a war that cant be won.

I still find that to be pretty interesting.

It's hilarious that both TIM and Shepard can be correct about each other falling to indoctrination. It's like the "Allegory of the Cave", only they can see shadows (hey Shepard's dream!) but they cannot see reality. For more info.

Anyway the entire Thessia mission just seemed off to me for some reason. I mean I was already filled with dread on my first playthrough because of all the dreams and weirdness with the kid. When Shepard snapped at Joker-

"Uh oh, something is not right here, now I know something is off"

It was just jarring and ... that got my attention.

Not to mention very OOC. Maybe TIM did think Shepard was indoctrinated and the reapers wanted Shepard to fight them instead of trying to find a way to control them. Huh. Interesting to think about. Thessia didn't really catch me off guard, what happened after going back to the Normandy made no sense at all.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Not to mention very OOC. Maybe TIM did think Shepard was indoctrinated and the reapers wanted Shepard to fight them instead of trying to find a way to control them. Huh. Interesting to think about. Thessia didn't really catch me off guard, what happened after going back to the Normandy made no sense at all.

I understood Thessia was lost when we first arrived. The fact that Shep reacts so much to losing it is indeed odd. She should have known it was lost too.

She kind of acts like the fact that Cerberus got the intel is what let Thessia fall, and therefore thinks its her fault, but even if she'd gotten the data, Thessia was doomed. It was too late for her to change that.

ME1:

*After rescuing Liara on Therum*

Liara: We almost died down there, and your pilot is making jokes?

Shep: Joker pulled our asses out of there. I think he's earned the right to a few bad jokes.

ME3:

*After Thessia*

Shep: OMG JOKER HOW DARE YOU MAKE JOKES! 

Seems legit.

Modifié par byne, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[masster blaster]

Shepard not letting Joker joke around is not Shepard at all, and even with Renegade Shepard Does that, but Paragon Shepard. No Paragon Shepard would never say that to joker.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

The stress is getting to Shepard. It was stated a few times. If there is any justification for snapping at Joker, that would be it.

I'll be back tomorrow. Bye!

[masster blaster]

Also I like the fact, that Anderson wanted a close eye on Shepard. I know Shepard is the one, who can bring everyone together, but it feels like. There was something that always bothered me about Anderson wanting a close eye on Shepard, and now I think I know why.

Remember when Anderson told Shepard that he was born in London on the Normandy, before the assult on Earth. Well right after they rescue Shepard. Anderson tell's Shepard again that he was born in London, but this time as a test, and Shepard failed the test.

So Anderson is about to ask Shepard more staments that Shepard should know, but is interupted, by any one of your squad mates. And then Shepard comes back to his/her self, when Shepard says. " I have missed Earth and ready for..." I forgot the rest, but you get the point.

Oh and doesn't Anderson say something to Shepard when they are heading for the Conduit?

If so, then please link it, or quote what Anderson says to Shepard.

[byne]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

The stress is getting to Shepard. It was stated a few times. If there is any justification for snapping at Joker, that would be it.

I'll be back tomorrow. Bye!

The stress wasnt getting to my Shepard. She acted perfectly normal except for a few times when she acted extremely out of character.

Shepard knows Joker uses humor to cope with stuff. She wouldnt snap at him for making a joke. She'd understand why he was making a joke, and be ok with it.

It'd be like if she snapped at...

I just spent five minutes trying to think who she could snap at for doing something that would be equally out of character for Shep as snapping at Joker and I couldnt think of an equivalent example.

Its that abnormal.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Also I like the fact, that Anderson wanted a close eye on Shepard. I know Shepard is the one, who can bring everyone together, but it feels like. There was something that always bothered me about Anderson wanting a close eye on Shepard, and now I think I know why.

Remember when Anderson told Shepard that he was born in London on the Normandy, before the assult on Earth. Well right after they rescue Shepard. Anderson tell's Shepard again that he was born in London, but this time as a test, and Shepard failed the test.

So Anderson is about to ask Shepard more staments that Shepard should know, but is interupted, by any one of your squad mates. And then Shepard comes back to his/her self, when Shepard says. " I have missed Earth and ready for..." I forgot the rest, but you get the point.

Oh and doesn't Anderson say something to Shepard when they are heading for the Conduit?

If so, then please link it, or quote what Anderson says to Shepard.

Masster blaster, you've brought up the 'I was born in London' thing somehow being a test before, and I still find it to be ridiculous.

If your old friend tells you something you already know, are you gonna be like "HEY OLD MAN HURRY UP, I ALREADY KNOW THIS ****, LETS GET A MOVE ON?"

No, you're not. Shep just isnt a jerk so isnt gonna shove it in Anderson's face that she already knows where he was born.

Modifié par byne, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[masster blaster]

Well has anyone done a compaisen of how Shepard is starting to act like Saren, and TIM over the game. I mean Shepard does not want anyone close to him/her like TIM, and Saren was willing to kill the innocent so that he could get what he wanted, like Shepard can do if you pick the right option to do it.

My point being is that Shepard is more like his/her enemys more than we the player can think.

[masster blaster]

I was trying to say that London is just plain crazy. Wrex wanting to name a Krogan baby after Mordin was his idea, and that they wanted Hammer to go distract the Reaper Destroyer, even though it will cause most of Hammer their lives. And I love the fact, that the places you can here on the radio, at the FOB, is we Shepard goes to, and we find no Alliance people at all, just data pads that question what the **** were they doing out here.

[masster blaster]

And byne like you said that your Shepard was out of character for snapping at Joker, well Shepard is out of character when Shepard is asked a simpell question that was so random, that they could have taken out, but they didn't did they.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

And byne like you said that your Shepard was out of character for snapping at Joker, well Shepard is out of character when Shepard is asked a simpell question that was so random, that they could have taken out, but they didn't did they.

What question?

Do you mean 'I was born in London.'?

Because thats not a question.

[masster blaster]

No but it was like a pop quiz, and Shepard could have said I have a friend, or my girlfirends parents were from London and I don't think she would like to see London like this. But the writers left it as wait didn't you tell me this not 15 min ago.

Also what do you think about the Saren/TIM transition to Shepard that I have above?

Also if there is one,, please link it, so that I can see what similarites Saren and Shepard share in ME3.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

No but it was like a pop quiz, and Shepard could have said I have a friend, or my girlfirends parents were from London and I don't think she would like to see London like this. But the writers left it as wait didn't you tell me this not 15 min ago.

Also what do you think about the Saren/TIM transition to Shepard that I have above?

Also if there is one,, please link it, so that I can see what similarites Saren and Shepard share in ME3.

Dude, you're reading way too much into Anderson simply stating where he was born. I dont see how its a pop quiz of any kind.

Indoctrination has never been shown to cause memory loss. Why would Anderson think to test Shepard for memory loss? Thats a big leap for him to make if he's trying to deduce whether Shep is indoctrinated.

But, yeah, Shep is acting like TIM and Saren a bit. Right down to adopting their beliefs if you pick control or synthesis.

[masster blaster]

All I am saying is that London does not feel right at all, it's just wrong. Wrex saying why does EVA want to name the baby Mordin, when it was Wrex's idea, and why is Tali not saying that she has a suit rupture, if you take her with you to the Conduit charge. I mean EDI get's ****** up to were it looks like she will go off line at any monunt, and yet Tali is hurt, but not as hurt as EDI.

Modifié par masster blaster, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:54 .

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

All I am saying is that London does not feel right at all, it's just wrong. Wrex saying why does EVA want to name the baby Mordin, when it was Wrex's idea, and why is Tali not saying that she has a suit rupture, if you take her with you to the Conduit charge. I mean EDI get's ****** up to were it looks like she will go off line at any monunt, and yet Tali is hurt, but not as hurt as EDI.

I agree London doesnt feel right, but theres more than enough about London that feels off already. You dont need to act like Anderson making small talk is somehow a super important test.

[estebanus]

You know, I still find it funny how the catalyst isn't even a catalyst.