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[Bill Casey]

So, has anyone actually replaced the catalyst model in the control ending to confirm what his expression really is?
Anybody?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[masster blaster]

Okay not test but weird, and I mean there is a something wrong with that scene, and that long pause Anderson gives Shepard, like WT* did he/she say. And starts to raise his voice a bit higher, so that EVERYONE can HEAR. Just get's me wondering, what if the Reapers ar already twisting Shepards mind into think what you hear, see, feel, and think may look real, but it's not.


Also be honest. When you saw Tali get hurt didn't you first think. " Oh god her suit is breached", but no she looks fine compared to EDI.

Also I wonder if you don't recuit Chakwas, or the other docter, then how do they get all fixed up?

[masster blaster]

Bill I don't think anyone has, and if somebody does, then prepare for a massive sh** storm if the Catalyst smiles in Control, or his face exprasions we he says " you believe is not requiered, or SO BE IT.

Also people will say " Oh that person could have changed this and that to help IT, so it will be up for debate.

[comrade gando]

Simon_Says wrote...

Or the beam itself is a sign of the indoctrination beacon's operation. Like the thin pillars of light coming off the prothean beacons in ME1.

well essentially from what I see that synthesis and control have in common is that shepard compromises with the reapers, letting them live and taking their side. what consequences that has... idk.

[Z3R0D3A7H]

Bill Casey wrote...

So, has anyone actually replaced the catalyst model in the control ending to confirm what his expression really is?
Anybody?

I had the same thought. Actually all that would need to be done is a texture replacement, with the 'real' boy textures. It looks to be the same mesh/model.


** In addition, that scene is not a baked movie, so there should be some animation files associated with it. Perhaps a filename or even applying it to the 'real' boy model would reveal something.

Modifié par Z3R0D3A7H, 23 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

estebanus wrote...

You know, I still find it funny how the catalyst isn't even a catalyst.

Suppose it's a "catalyst" in that he was created to be the "catalyst" between Organic and Syntehtic's declining relationship. But that's in a more...let's say an ambassadorial way, not a literal Catalyst in function as the story lets us assume.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 23 juillet 2012 - 07:40 .

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

You know, I still find it funny how the catalyst isn't even a catalyst.

Hey Estebanus. So do I. Many people argue that it's just a name and it's a cool word so it has no significance. That's just not the case with BW stuff. Plus, they already had a name for him that isn't a contradiction: The Guardian. Maybe they wanted to have as many contradictions as possible.

Anyway, you know what else I find interesting? Jessica refers to the kid as "The Guardian". I'm pretty sure some other BW people did too. Like they know more than we do...

Edit: Anyway, bedtime! 

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .

[MaximizedAction]

masster blaster wrote...

Bill I don't think anyone has, and if somebody does, then prepare for a massive sh** storm if the Catalyst smiles in Control, or his face exprasions we he says " you believe is not requiered, or SO BE IT.

Also people will say " Oh that person could have changed this and that to help IT, so it will be up for debate.

Remember when someon here linked that pic of Miranda that was supposedly her model replacing the kid? Turned out fake (I think), for example it wasn't clear that that scene was indeed in the Catalyst chamber.

So if someone manages to do that he or she better post a flycam vid.

[Rosewind]

wow slow

[estebanus]

Is it me, or does Harby almost look ethereal in the conduit run?

[estebanus]

Rosewind wrote...

wow slow

Hi Rose.

[Leonia]

estebanus wrote...

Is it me, or does Harby almost look ethereal in the conduit run?

Some what but that could be because when you see him leave the conduit that the view has become a bit fuzzier as Shepard gets back up. Personally I wasn't entirely convinced that Harbinger was actually there until the Earth DLC trailer showed the same scene without the fuzziness.

[MaximizedAction]

estebanus wrote...

Is it me, or does Harby almost look ethereal in the conduit run?

If you're viewing him with superstitious awe, I've got bad news for you...

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

All I am saying is that London does not feel right at all, it's just wrong. Wrex saying why does EVA want to name the baby Mordin, when it was Wrex's idea, and why is Tali not saying that she has a suit rupture, if you take her with you to the Conduit charge. I mean EDI get's ****** up to were it looks like she will go off line at any monunt, and yet Tali is hurt, but not as hurt as EDI.

I agree London doesnt feel right, but theres more than enough about London that feels off already. You dont need to act like Anderson making small talk is somehow a super important test.

I'm with Blaster on this one, that scene is too weird, like Shep snapping at Joker weird. Of course Shepard wouldn't say something like "You told me that, why the **** are you telling me again, like I care or something. Dickbiscuit." IT's a very simple fix. Sorry, I mean, it's a very simple fix. Replace "Really?" in a nice caring voice with something simple like "Yeah..." or "That's rough" or something other than acting like he'd never told you before. Anderson being born in London was pretty much the only not war related thing he ever tells you in ME3 too.

It's not that that's the main wierd part though, it's what follows. Anderson stares blankly long enough to go "Wait... what?" and give you a look that says exactly that. The very next thing he does is wander over a bit and raise his voice just enough so he knows everyone will here and says in a slightly off tone, that it's too bad it took the Reapers to bring us together, with clear emphasis on the word "Reapers". Your squadmate quickly jumps in and tells him it was actually Shepard, to which Anderson replies "That's exactly what I meant!", and the topic is over. How could Anderson have possibly said it took the Reapers, and meant Shepard?

Something's very off about Anderson here, either he's indoctrinated, or I think more likely, he is slightly suspicious of Shepard, or just being careful.

[MaximizedAction]

A quick one: I'm now pretty convinced that that beacon on Eden Prime was not entirely of Prothean origin, or at least concerning that visions Shepard recieved.
How so? I'm reading the Evolution comic which is about TIM's history, and

SPOILER

he got to see that exact same picture of this eclipse, after he got in contact with the artifact on Shanxi. The only difference to Shepard's visions was, he could understand the language in those visions.

[Leonia]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something's very off about Anderson here, either he's indoctrinated, or I think more likely, he is slightly suspicious of Shepard, or just being careful.

Its interesting that in that situation the squad-mate gets defensive of Shepard, if Anderson is suspicious then why aren't the people who are closest to Shepard suspicious as well?

MaximizedAction wrote...

A quick one: I'm now pretty
convinced that that beacon on Eden Prime was not entirely of Prothean
origin, or at least concerning that visions Shepard recieved.
How so? I'm reading the Evolution comic which is about TIM's history, and

SPOILER

he
got to see that exact same picture of this eclipse, after he got in
contact with the artifact on Shanxi. The only difference to Shepard's
visions was, he could understand the language in those visions.

Y'know, that eclipse part of the vision has never really been clarified and we see it every time Shepard interfaces with a beacon (even in the one in ME2 at the end of that long side-quest chain), do you think its indicative of the planet we see the Normandy on at the end?

Modifié par leonia42, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .

[BleedingUranium]

leonia42 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something's very off about Anderson here, either he's indoctrinated, or I think more likely, he is slightly suspicious of Shepard, or just being careful.

Its interesting that in that situation the squad-mate gets defensive of Shepard, if Anderson is suspicious then why aren't the people who are closest to Shepard suspicious as well?

Since indoctrination is a very slow process, it'd be a bit like growing up with a sibling or close friend. You're with them so much that you don't notice the changes, and even then, you know they're happening, unlike here where, even though they know it might be possible, do you really think Garrus, Liara, Tali, Joker, or any of them would truely suspect Shepard might be indoctrinated. I very much doubt it, it wouldn't even cross their minds as a real possibility.

[MaximizedAction]

leonia42 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something's very off about Anderson here, either he's indoctrinated, or I think more likely, he is slightly suspicious of Shepard, or just being careful.

Its interesting that in that situation the squad-mate gets defensive of Shepard, if Anderson is suspicious then why aren't the people who are closest to Shepard suspicious as well?

To me, the squad during that transporter scene acted as if there was an elephant in the room, especiall Garrus. The way he spoke that "Is that all?". The only one who seemed 'okay' where Shepard and Coats.
Dunno if it makes sense, but that was how I interpretated that scene.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

A quick one: I'm now pretty convinced that that beacon on Eden Prime was not entirely of Prothean origin, or at least concerning that visions Shepard recieved.
How so? I'm reading the Evolution comic which is about TIM's history, and

SPOILER

he got to see that exact same picture of this eclipse, after he got in contact with the artifact on Shanxi. The only difference to Shepard's visions was, he could understand the language in those visions.

I dont know, I think the Beacon is genuine, but it might have been tampered with by the Reapers.

I base this on the fact that Javik knew of the Crucible in his cycle.

Now by logical deduction we know the Crucible was build in the Athena Cluster (Vendetta says he was based upon the Crucible Project Overseer) so a working Beacon has to have been in both the Athena Cluster and on Eden Prime.

Now it might off course have been another Beacon entirely, but conisdering Vigil says they broadcasted their warning, the same warning that led Shepard to Ilos, across the Beacon network I think we can conclude that the beacon is genunine.

But as said that dosent remove the possibility that the Reapers tampered with it or that Vendetta lied about everything, including what he was based on. I really dont trust that VI.

[Gwyphon]

leonia42 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something's very off about Anderson here, either he's indoctrinated, or I think more likely, he is slightly suspicious of Shepard, or just being careful.

Its interesting that in that situation the squad-mate gets defensive of Shepard, if Anderson is suspicious then why aren't the people who are closest to Shepard suspicious as well?

MaximizedAction wrote...

A quick one: I'm now pretty
convinced that that beacon on Eden Prime was not entirely of Prothean
origin, or at least concerning that visions Shepard recieved.
How so? I'm reading the Evolution comic which is about TIM's history, and

SPOILER

he
got to see that exact same picture of this eclipse, after he got in
contact with the artifact on Shanxi. The only difference to Shepard's
visions was, he could understand the language in those visions.

Y'know, that eclipse part of the vision has never really been clarified and we see it every time Shepard interfaces with a beacon (even in the one in ME2 at the end of that long side-quest chain), do you think its indicative of the planet we see the Normandy on at the end?

That very first scene of Mass Effect 1 where it has the text explaining the discovery of mass effect has the same planet effect, and then fades out and becomes that strike through in the mass effect title.

Edit: Actually come to think of it, didn't that eclipse planet end up being Ilos?

Modifié par Gwyphon, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[Leonia]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Since indoctrination is a very slow process, it'd be a bit like growing up with a sibling or close friend. You're with them so much that you don't notice the changes, and even then, you know they're happening, unlike here where, even though they know it might be possible, do you really think Garrus, Liara, Tali, Joker, or any of them would truely suspect Shepard might be indoctrinated. I very much doubt it, it wouldn't even cross their minds as a real possibility.

I can see that.. remember the bit on Cronos station when Shepard is watching the videos about Lazarus Project and begins to doubt whether she is real or not? It's touching that the squad is so loyal and stands up for Shepard as she has always done for them but that loyalty might make them blind to something sinister. I would at least expect the LI to be more open minded about Shepard's well being, it's almost scary to think that they wouldn't notice something is wrong.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

leonia42 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Since indoctrination is a very slow process, it'd be a bit like growing up with a sibling or close friend. You're with them so much that you don't notice the changes, and even then, you know they're happening, unlike here where, even though they know it might be possible, do you really think Garrus, Liara, Tali, Joker, or any of them would truely suspect Shepard might be indoctrinated. I very much doubt it, it wouldn't even cross their minds as a real possibility.

I can see that.. remember the bit on Cronos station when Shepard is watching the videos about Lazarus Project and begins to doubt whether she is real or not? It's touching that the squad is so loyal and stands up for Shepard as she has always done for them but that loyalty might make them blind to something sinister. I would at least expect the LI to be more open minded about Shepard's well being, it's almost scary to think that they wouldn't notice something is wrong.

An interesting comparision to that is that Javik was betrayed by his own crew because they had been Indoctrinated. While he never gives any details, betrayal sort of implies he dident see it coming which is interesting to think of in this case.

[estebanus]

leonia42 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Is it me, or does Harby almost look ethereal in the conduit run?

Some what but that could be because when you see him leave the conduit that the view has become a bit fuzzier as Shepard gets back up. Personally I wasn't entirely convinced that Harbinger was actually there until the Earth DLC trailer showed the same scene without the fuzziness.

No, I mean when you arrive at the conduit after the shuttle crashes. I swear to god, its whole top part looks totally ethereal! I'm not joking! It looks exactly like that in the scene where your squadmates die/get evac'd!

Seriously, I think someone should take a screenshot. I'll try taking a good one as well.

[Arian Dynas]

What's new guys?

[Vinny]

MaximizedAction wrote...

A quick one: I'm now pretty convinced that that beacon on Eden Prime was not entirely of Prothean origin, or at least concerning that visions Shepard recieved.
How so? I'm reading the Evolution comic which is about TIM's history, and

SPOILER

he got to see that exact same picture of this eclipse, after he got in contact with the artifact on Shanxi. The only difference to Shepard's visions was, he could understand the language in those visions.

Evolution is really cool if you want to know more about indoctrination. I wanted to post a screenshot of a conversation between Saren's brother and Jack Harper, but I don't know how to post images on this forum... Anyway, the conversation was about Clark's law, indoctrination and magic.
Now the really strange thing is that Jack Harper is supposed to be a Shepard's doppelganger. The first one met a Reaper artifact and has been indoctrinated since then. He gained the ability to understand their language, worked for the Reapers but thought that Cerberus was a tool to promote humanity. But Cerberus is based around TIM's personality his ideas.
Shepard has been hit by a Prothean artifact, gained the ability to understand their language. Fought the Reapers and his crew became an example of diversity.