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[comrade gando]

paxxton wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

paxxton wrote...
LOL. BSN has become a way of life for many people, it would seem.

yeah, if their goal was to get people talking about this game then they certainly got my attention, unfortunately not in a good way.

I've been thinking (pure speculation here): what if they have an actual epic, technical ending sequence planned akin to suicide mission but bigger, where your choices matter and the ending makes sense. the reason it's not there right now and we have this vagueness is because they straight up ran out of time/disk space/what have you, and are planning an expansion to finish the story. The final sequence is so badass and the dialogue trees are so complicated that it has to be an expansion to support how much data is going to be in this sequence.

pure speculation and wishful thinking I know... but that's what happens man, when you get a prank pulled on you, 5 years in the making.

My bet is that BioWare left IT for Mass Effect 4. DLCs are limited to 2GB in size. Considering the EC took up almost that and merely contained things that hadn't been delivered with the full game I don't know how they'd fit anything big into a DLC. ME4 would give IT a proper treatment (next-gen consoles).

that's why I'm thinking a straight up expansion, like since there "is no canon" people can keep their red green blue rediculousness, but for those that want something else, there is a separately sold xpac, dragon age: awakening style. 

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

paxxton wrote...
LOL. BSN has become a way of life for many people, it would seem.

yeah, if their goal was to get people talking about this game then they certainly got my attention, unfortunately not in a good way.

I've been thinking (pure speculation here): what if they have an actual epic, technical ending sequence planned akin to suicide mission but bigger, where your choices matter and the ending makes sense. the reason it's not there right now and we have this vagueness is because they straight up ran out of time/disk space/what have you, and are planning an expansion to finish the story. The final sequence is so badass and the dialogue trees are so complicated that it has to be an expansion to support how much data is going to be in this sequence.

pure speculation and wishful thinking I know... but that's what happens man, when you get a prank pulled on you, 5 years in the making.

My bet is that BioWare left IT for Mass Effect 4. DLCs are limited to 2GB in size. Considering the EC took up almost that and merely contained things that hadn't been delivered with the full game I don't know how they'd fit anything big into a DLC. ME4 would give IT a proper treatment (next-gen consoles).

Except that:

1 - The sequel to the Xbox 360 is due Q4 next year, so ME4 would likely be a next-gen title.

2 - The EC was big because it was unplanned and contained a lot of FMVs. An extension to the ending could be the size of the shadow broker DLC (or could even surely be more than 2GB, since that's an arbitrary limit set by microsoft, who would stand to reap enormous profits from DLC sales).

[AxStapleton]

paxxton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

paxxton wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

paxxton wrote...
LOL. BSN has become a way of life for many people, it would seem.

yeah, if their goal was to get people talking about this game then they certainly got my attention, unfortunately not in a good way.

I've been thinking (pure speculation here): what if they have an actual epic, technical ending sequence planned akin to suicide mission but bigger, where your choices matter and the ending makes sense. the reason it's not there right now and we have this vagueness is because they straight up ran out of time/disk space/what have you, and are planning an expansion to finish the story. The final sequence is so badass and the dialogue trees are so complicated that it has to be an expansion to support how much data is going to be in this sequence.

pure speculation and wishful thinking I know... but that's what happens man, when you get a prank pulled on you, 5 years in the making.

My bet is that BioWare left IT for Mass Effect 4. DLCs are limited to 2GB in size. Considering the EC took up almost that and merely contained things that hadn't been delivered with the full game I don't know how they'd fit anything big into a DLC. ME4 would give IT a proper treatment (next-gen consoles).

I can't see that working to be honest. How will we console users import our saves across? It's much more logical for there to be an IT DLC

I don't follow. You can import saves from ME2 into ME3. Why wouldn't you be able to do that with ME3 and ME4? Surely next-gens are going to be backward-compatible.

I don't recall the 360 being backwards compatiable except through downloads. Don't know about the PS3.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

paxxton wrote...
LOL. BSN has become a way of life for many people, it would seem.

yeah, if their goal was to get people talking about this game then they certainly got my attention, unfortunately not in a good way.

I've been thinking (pure speculation here): what if they have an actual epic, technical ending sequence planned akin to suicide mission but bigger, where your choices matter and the ending makes sense. the reason it's not there right now and we have this vagueness is because they straight up ran out of time/disk space/what have you, and are planning an expansion to finish the story. The final sequence is so badass and the dialogue trees are so complicated that it has to be an expansion to support how much data is going to be in this sequence.

pure speculation and wishful thinking I know... but that's what happens man, when you get a prank pulled on you, 5 years in the making.

My bet is that BioWare left IT for Mass Effect 4. DLCs are limited to 2GB in size. Considering the EC took up almost that and merely contained things that hadn't been delivered with the full game I don't know how they'd fit anything big into a DLC. ME4 would give IT a proper treatment (next-gen consoles).

Except that:

1 - The sequel to the Xbox 360 is due Q4 next year, so ME4 would likely be a next-gen title.

2 - The EC was big because it was unplanned and contained a lot of FMVs. An extension to the ending could be the size of the shadow broker DLC (or could even surely be more than 2GB, since that's an arbitrary limit set by microsoft, who would stand to reap enormous profits from DLC sales).

1 - This is what I said.  IMO being a next-gen title IS neccessarily a good thing.
2 - Can the limit be exceeded then?

Modifié par paxxton, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:20 .

[paxxton]

AxStapleton wrote...

I don't recall the 360 being backwards compatiable except through downloads. Don't know about the PS3.

Not sure but I think it was (or is?).

Modifié par paxxton, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:22 .

[AxStapleton]

paxxton wrote...

Not sure but I think it was (or is?).

360 is with certain games, Old PS3 was backwards compatible, New PS3 Slim isn't.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:26 .

[JasonSic]

paxxton wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

I don't recall the 360 being backwards compatiable except through downloads. Don't know about the PS3.

Not sure but I think it was (or is?).

My Xbox 360 and PS3 are both backwards compatible.

[nov_pl]

comrade gando wrote...

Epök wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Epök wrote...

But I don't have that problem, I went for Control.  
Dun Dun Duuuuuuuun 

You monster!

Yeah I know.
In fact I picked Control for my favorite playthrough. The rest of the time, depends what I tried to do with my character and the choices I made.
It's strange but when Jessica and Chris said : "We won't deny IT, we won't confirm it, we want to let the content speak for itself. Be open minded" ,the BSN became mad but I wasn't surprised. The few messages I had from various members of the team confirmed that feeling. And I can understand why it's frustrating for a lot of people to know that they'll maybe never have a definitive answer. 

I agree 100%, what makes it especially infuriating is how bioware acts as if nothing is wrong, and that we may indeed never get a definitive answer to this question that at least for myself has been driving me nuts the past 4 1/2 months. I keep coming to BSN expecting something new but it's just more speculation everyday. I'm pretty sure this made me clinically insane. damnit.

Lol BW is just probably irritated that they didn't come up with IT on their own, so they just spreading confusion 

[comrade gando]

nov_pl wrote...
Lol BW is just probably irritated that they didn't come up with IT on their own, so they just spreading confusion 

I have no clue what they're doing, they are completely unpredictable at this point. they put in all these clues, indoc eyes, starchild with shepard voice, shaky crosshairs, humming sound, then turn around and say they didn't intend all that? makes no sense...

[RavenEyry]

Had another minor thought while walking the dog. Everyone knows Shepard's characterisation was off in ME3, but one major thing I don't see brought up in discussions like that is that they DIED. In ME2 there was not a single philosophical talk about death or a metaphysical discussion of the ramifications of resurrection. Shep just treats it as a thing that happened, time to move on. Now 3 rolls around and their torturing themselves over some kid who refused help and died for it. Either IT or the betrayal of character is even worse than I thought up to now.

[paxxton]

comrade gando wrote...

nov_pl wrote...
Lol BW is just probably irritated that they didn't come up with IT on their own, so they just spreading confusion 

I have no clue what they're doing, they are completely unpredictable at this point. they put in all these clues, indoc eyes, starchild with shepard voice, shaky crosshairs, humming sound, then turn around and say they didn't intend all that? makes no sense...

They haven't said they didn't intend IT. They want to keep the players in the dark and stimulate speculation. Or they want to see how long will it all last.

Modifié par paxxton, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

2 - Can the limit be exceeded then?

If they would split up the DLC in more DLCs.
They could have done something like EC - Base, EC - Red, EC - Green, EC - Blue

[comrade gando]

paxxton wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

nov_pl wrote...
Lol BW is just probably irritated that they didn't come up with IT on their own, so they just spreading confusion 

I have no clue what they're doing, they are completely unpredictable at this point. they put in all these clues, indoc eyes, starchild with shepard voice, shaky crosshairs, humming sound, then turn around and say they didn't intend all that? makes no sense...

They haven't said they didn't intend IT. They want to keep the players in the dark and stimulate speculation. Or they want to see how long will it all last.

well they gotta throw people a bone some time. can't leave them hanging forever. I sure hope that's not what they want because that would just be cruel.

devs and mods come to this forums like every day from what I can tell, so all this speculatin' isn't being ignored I hope. This thread is like 2500 pages or something, (nearly 5k counting the previous one). 5k pages of pure speculation, they can only drag this out for so much longer...

Modifié par comrade gando, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[nov_pl]

comrade gando wrote...

I have no clue what they're doing, they are completely unpredictable at this point. they put in all these clues, indoc eyes, starchild with shepard voice, shaky crosshairs, humming sound, then turn around and say they didn't intend all that? makes no sense...

Right. I am a fan of IT, but I can understand people saying that it is far-fetched, however, ther is a lot of arguments one cannot ignore. Like the ones you've just listed.
And there's more. The whole thing on the Citadel. Where Anderson and TIM came from. Why the one referring to himself as Catalist looks like the Child, and speaks Shepard's voice.
No wat Bioware did all this just like that!

[RavenEyry]

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

[SubAstris]

One thing I have been unable to get my head around is this: With IT, the Catalyst tries to convince Shepard that Destroy is the worst option by saying that EDI and the Geth will die, and also that "even you (Shepard) is partly synthetic"- it seems clear that this is a fairly ambiguous statement. The Catalyst never says, "Shepard, you will certainly die", but perhaps gives a hint that he will, or, as I believe, he is saying his life will be worse without synthetics but it won't be impossible for him to survive. Regardless, it is not entirely clear what he means. The question is why. Why wouldn't the Catalyst want to tell Shepard straight that he will die? Surely the death of EDI and the Geth with Shepard dead aswell is worse and less appealing than the same things happening but him/her being alive? After all, what he is saying here is a lie intended to put you off destroy (according to IT)...

[AxStapleton]

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

"Valid" interpretation is a little different from intended and Valid is what they've been saying. Let's not twist words and create anecdotal evidence where there isn't.

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

This.

And given:

comrade gando wrote...

they put in all these clues, indoc eyes, starchild with shepard voice, shaky crosshairs, humming soun

 

Not to even MENTION the entire overarching themes of all three games.

Then I think we can all see where this is rather circuitously headed.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

2 - Can the limit be exceeded then?

If they would split up the DLC in more DLCs.
They could have done something like EC - Base, EC - Red, EC - Green, EC - Blue

Or they could just speak nicely to microsoft and point out that the turnover from a must-have ME3 DLC will likely be a pile of money large enough to wallpaper a cathedral.

Modifié par TSA_383, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:21 .

[comrade gando]

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

riding off of this, they also said there is no canon. so who knows they might roll with IT at some point but "it's not canon". it's an interpretation. yada yada bottom line for me is: I owe somebody a home in this game, and bioware won't let me give it to them. what kind of garbage is that?!

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

They never said it was intended, merely that it is possible for fans to draw their own conclusions on what the story means. They see IT as valid, as they would many other theories, like "Shepard has been dreaming the whole of the trilogy", whatever makes fans happy

[RavenEyry]

AxStapleton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

"Valid" interpretation is a little different from intended and Valid is what they've been saying. Let's not twist words and create anecdotal evidence where there isn't.

I'm not. They said there's a lot of symbolism and it was all intended. (I did say 'pretty much')

[AxStapleton]

RavenEyry wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

"Valid" interpretation is a little different from intended and Valid is what they've been saying. Let's not twist words and create anecdotal evidence where there isn't.

I'm not. They said there's a lot of symbolism and it was all intended. (I did say 'pretty much')

Symbolism is a pretty vague term.

[TSA_383]

SubAstris wrote...

One thing I have been unable to get my head around is this: With IT, the Catalyst tries to convince Shepard that Destroy is the worst option by saying that EDI and the Geth will die, and also that "even you (Shepard) is partly synthetic"- it seems clear that this is a fairly ambiguous statement. The Catalyst never says, "Shepard, you will certainly die", but perhaps gives a hint that he will, or, as I believe, he is saying his life will be worse without synthetics but it won't be impossible for him to survive. Regardless, it is not entirely clear what he means. The question is why. Why wouldn't the Catalyst want to tell Shepard straight that he will die? Surely the death of EDI and the Geth with Shepard dead aswell is worse and less appealing than the same things happening but him/her being alive? After all, what he is saying here is a lie intended to put you off destroy (according to IT)...

You mean the controlling force of the reapers might have reason to be slightly dishonest towards shepard in order to dissuade him/her from seeking to destroy them?

Modifié par TSA_383, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .

[RavenEyry]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm not. They said there's a lot of symbolism and it was all intended. (I did say 'pretty much')

AxStapleton wrote...

Symbolism is a pretty vague term.

They said it in response to the question 'was IT intended?'

Modifié par RavenEyry, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:25 .

[comrade gando]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

They've pretty much said IT was an intended interpretation already. Whether they plan to expand on it or not is what they refuse to say.

They never said it was intended, merely that it is possible for fans to draw their own conclusions on what the story means. They see IT as valid, as they would many other theories, like "Shepard has been dreaming the whole of the trilogy", whatever makes fans happy

speaking of dreaming I almost forgot, the very last thing we see in all endings is an inexplicable scene with starchild and some old guy *or asari it looks like in refuse*, telling stories about "the shepard". so the whole series was just made up? doesn't help it's playing vigil in the background like it's supposed to be a touching scene or something. well it's far from touching, it's confusing and leaves a final sour yellow taste in my mouth. then a self-congratulatory message by bioware. what a bunch of clowns, they BETTER be trolling.