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[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Exactly. The major problem is most people pinned their hopes on the EC. The EC wasn't planned, it was the wrong place to pin hopes.

I honeslty thought it was going to Destory us all, I never thought it was going to even add that stuff that kinda makes some of IT be blatantly obvious.

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...



What if the endings of ME3 werent actually the endings, but an indoctrination attempt and they will release the real ending at a later date?

This idea has been discussed back in the first thread by many people and I believe I was one of them.

I have been saying it for the last 2-3months my self but everyone ignores me lol.

[comrade gando]

Jeez louise arcian no need to bite my head off yeesh.

I hate the ending as much as anybody, but the game itself is amazing. Unfortunately this is the only game ive played that is simultaneously stuck between the best and worst game Ive ever played.

Its the best game I'll never play again. And im pissed because I almost had the perfect trilogy in my grasp, snatched away at the last minute.

And thats why im here nerdraging about it.

[Dwailing]

Soooo anyone still awake and willing to fill me in briefly on today's speculations?

[Dancing-Krogan]

Man, I wish that ME3 would've ended a great trilogy like The Dark Knight Rises did.

[Simon_Says]

Comrade, please find what can help you resolve your disappointment, and please find it fast. Whining (yes whining, no offence) about how the ending was so bad when this thread is specifically devoted to crafting a better one from the pieces Bioware left us in order to help people cope with the dissapointment is... well... this isn't the place for it.

Consider that Shepard's story can be yours, if you claim it. That means that even if Bioware didn't intend IT, your Shepard can suffer an indoctrination attack and beat it. It doesn't need to be official in order to be a good story. You don't need to see it with your eyes to know how your story will end.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[Dam0299]

Has anyone ever wondered if the whole ending was intended to be some form of psychological experiment?

[TheConstantOne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Comrade Gando, I have a bit of advice for you.

You need to stop agonizing and make a choice.

Either decide you still like Mass Effect, even accepting it has flaws, or decide that you do not and stop worrying about it.

Pick one. Agonizing will not make you happy, make anyone feel better, least of all yourself, and will do nothing to speed up Bioware.

Actually I wish I never played this series, ded srs. Everytime I think about mass effect I just kinda daze off and remember all the good times, which are subsequently wiped out by a flash of awfulness that is the ending. 

Sometimes I wake up SCREAMING... Jk not really. But srsly this is the worst ending Ive ever seen due to sheer letdown factor.

Then you do not like Mass Effect anymore and can let go.

But, if that option still hurts to think about, and you still want to like Mass Effect, then you are just going to have to accept there are flaws in it. The ending, even if literal, does not invalidate all that came before. But, the fact is, they have all but confirmed that the ending is NOT literal, and that there IS some **** up here, then, once again, you can stop agonizing.

All I am saying is make a choice and stick to it. Either you write Bioware off or you don't. This "Ohhh... the ending sucks so bad, how could they ruin a series so much in 5 minutes?" bull**** is getting old. Either you are willing to look past it, or you're not. ****ing pick one.

This is one of the big reasons I come to this thread (beyond just reading through some interesting analysis and speculation.)  I see ME fans of all stripes here: some who like the EC literal endings, others who didn't.  But a majority of people here have decided that, no matter what has happened, they love the series.  IT has a lot of amazing potential, and everyone here is at least somewhat intrigued by the theory.  Whether they are arguing for or against it.

On another topic, I have noticed something interesting (and I know all of you have probably noted this.) Despite Bioware's claims that the endings won't be modified further...we know that this isn't true from the Leviathan DLC.  The code suggests that the end dialogue with the Catalyst changes.  This indicates that future DLC will have more of an effect on the ending then Bioware has let on up until now.  I don't see this observation mentioned by many hard line anti-ITers

[smokingotter1]

Alright just some raw observations I noticed in working on the overlay theory. Remember how I said that reality leaches into Shepard's hallucinations, how the decision chamber was an overlay of the conduit run, and showed pics that I argued proved that the destroy ending was walking into Harbinger's beam. I got some more. First let's revist a passage about indoctrination:

"...organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing
or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being
watched"

Question is, is Harbinger still watching Shepard throughout the ME3 ending. First lets look at those orange eyes:


No matter how much Harbinger tries some bits of reality manage to sneak into Shepards hallucinations. Being ITers you all already know about the Mako wheels being in the decision chamber and the dream trees.

Well check this out. I bet your thinking "oh it's just a stupid light big whoop." Not exactly note its position. It's one of the first things you see popping up into the decision chamber. Note it's positioning. Also it's the only orange light in that blood filed hallway. I double checked, all the other lights are white, this one is orange.





I used to think that the orange sun like glow meant hope when picking destory.... but again disregard the reaper but look at what I circled, the color and relative location in regards to Shepard.

It appears on every dream level Shepard is being watched by Harbinger, Harbinger has not left Shepard's side (aww<3).




Remember how I sped up the catalyst 2 song and it sounded exactly like a train? That would seem to suggest that there is a significant time dilation between what Shepard is experiecing in the "decision chamber" and what is happening in real life.

Side note: Also did you notice how the control option kind of looked like a giant hand? I circled what I thought looked like a hand and drew a green line to what I saw as a thumb. Shepard falling into the "reapers clutches?"

Modifié par smokingotter1, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[smokingotter1]

I will also add that its fitting that Shepard is carrying around the M-6 carnifex which has an ancient Roman meaning for executioner because by picking destroy Shepard is literally carrying out his own "execution." In control and destroy Shepard drops the gun and cancels the execution in exchange for submitting to indoctrination.

In refuse Shepard knows its all an hallucination, but is both unwilling to walk to his death or submit to indoctrination and because there is nothing to jar him from the hallucination, well game over. Shepard rejects the reapers ultimatum, but does not have a back up plan. Maybe DLC will fix that.

[Simon_Says]

But is a glow present in the control panel chamber?

-edit- And in a completely offtopic topic, Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker. I'm 8 minutes in only and it's... urgh. I am not going to get hyped for Paragon Lost.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

There's a whole ton of orange in the Anderson/TIM chamber. Even the control panel itself could look like the eyes.

[Simon_Says]

But specifically towards the upper-right of Shepard's path?

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Simon_Says wrote...

But specifically towards the upper-right of Shepard's path?

Hello, Simon. You would like to speak to otter? Please hold.

*ahem* otter...answer please 

[DirtyPhoenix]

Rosewind wrote...
 I never thought it was going to even add that stuff that kinda makes some of IT be blatantly obvious.

What were those stuff? May I get a link to some good post-EC IT video?

[Simon_Says]

@Magnetite. Not so temporary actually. The colonists suffered problems well into ME2 (you can encounter Shiala again on Illium), and will email you notifying that they maintain a pseudoconcensus that helps them fight more effectively.

[smokingotter1]

Simon_Says wrote...

But is a glow present in the control panel chamber?

-edit- And in a completely offtopic topic, Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker. I'm 8 minutes in only and it's... urgh. I am not going to get hyped for Paragon Lost.

The control panel hallway funpark is a bit weird and I would say is also representative of Shepard's actually brain:

You have arteries represented by the hallway and tubes, bodies representing blood cells damaged by indoctrination:




Neurons firing



Synaptic pathways. When the crucible arms open is symbolic of Shepard opening his eyes:


And you have TIM/Anderson/Shepard, the Fruedian trio representing ID/Superego/and Ego trying to figure out how to open Shepard's eyes or the conduit wings and take control of Shepard.

The ID alone can't take control of Shepard, Shepard has to "believe" TIM in order for TIM to gain power over Shepard. It's only when Shepard supresses his ID (or kills TIM, notice no blood, symbolism!) and Anderson's superego approves of Shepard is Shepard given the go ahead to take control of himself.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:23 .

[smokingotter1]

Also notice that TIM pauses a lot when the oily reaper tentacles enter the screen even though it's only affecting Shepard. It's because Shepard, Anderson, and TIM are the same person, all parts of Shepard. Also why there is no blood at all in this scene and why Shepard sounds hurt when he wounds Anderson.

[byne]

Speaking of Shiala, am I the only one disappointed she wasnt in ME3? ME2 kinda hinted she'd be a romance option or something

[WandySilva]

Dam0299 wrote...

Has anyone ever wondered if the whole ending was intended to be some form of psychological experiment?

I've always looked at it as kind of an inception style ending **spoilers** was the ending a dream or not. we are left with an EXTREMELY ambiguous scene that cuts out before we can get any real answers.

so to answer your question, I'd say it is very possible

[masster blaster]

Otter and why Shepard has a bullet in his/her side, when Anderson dies, and why it's on the same side. Also can you get a picture, of the bullet hole that Shepard covers once Anderson is dead.

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...

Otter and why Shepard has a bullet in his/her side, when Anderson dies, and why it's on the same side. Also can you get a picture, of the bullet hole that Shepard covers once Anderson is dead.

Funny thing is I don't remember when TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson of Anderson having a bullet hole. All I remember is that Shepard bleeds out of the same side he was forced to shoot Anderson. It's only when Anderson dies and TIM is dead do we start seeing blood again, and then Shepard passes out and wakes up in the decision chamber.

I'd have to flycam the scene and I don't know how to do that stuff.

[masster blaster]

Also did anyone notice that before the EC, it took more assets to get the Breath scene, rather than synthesis. Even in the EC the breath scene, is still higher than Synthesis. My question being, is that. Is Synthesis Bioware's best ending because the Breath scene is higher than any of the chocies given when we meet the Catalyst.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:43 .