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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#501
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Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, DJBare, good to see ya.

And, on a side not, anyone notice the page the thread got locked on? 2286. The 100 year anniversary of the Reaper War.



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DLC or new game 100 years after the events? Or maybe the stargazer scene was set 100 years after the war?

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Domanese wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?


Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

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Or... maybe you're overthinking it? It's something a little funny and kind of strange guys, making an amusing coincidence, nothing more, says I.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, DJBare, good to see ya.

And, on a side not, anyone notice the page the thread got locked on? 2286. The 100 year anniversary of the Reaper War.


mind = blown

Priestly is a servant of the Pattern :devil:

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?


Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.


Im going with strict since they did say there would be a zero tolerance policy. Is it not hard to imagine that it would not apply to complete vulgarity?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

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Aaleel wrote...

No way they planned the IT.  If they did, they wouldn't need to be calling all the voice actors/actresses back.  It would have been finished, and ready to go.  They never would have let things get this bad.

At the very best IMHO, it could have been an intention that was abandoned due to time constraints, and now they would be going in an piecing some of what they started together, and now building onto that with whatever work they're doing now.  


Thank you for your opinion, I'll stick with mine, thanks. 

Them calling the VA's back when they did makes perfect sense if one considers the fact that Bioware has stated they wanted to use fan feedback to shape the story. 


Or if they wanted to keep it secret. Many precedents

That makes a lot of sense, keep any risk of leaks to a minimum.


Didn't the cast of the original StarWars get a script where some parts were purposefully wrong and Lucas didn't even tell them until they were actually shooting the scenes? I think I heard that somewhere.....


Yepper, David Prowse was told it was Obi Wan whom killed Luke's Father, Hammil wasn't told until about 5 minutes beforehand, and James Earl Jones was only told during recording, his first words? "Oh he's lying..."


You see, this gives me hope that Bioware is pulling a fast one with all this, I won't let my hopes get TOO high though;)

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I have a theory on the Reapers. If it's Reaper tech that indoctrinates people, isn't it possible the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated? If so, maybe there'd be a way to un-indoc them, or maybe if the Crucible is a giant indoc canon, maybe the effect could be reversed, and un-indoc everyone, including the Reapers.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?


Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It was not one person, it was several, the thread became spammy with chat and unrelated images.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

*your post above*

Let's not talk about it anymore. For me now, it's just like nothing happened. After all the thread is still going on...

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DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?


Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It was not one person, it was several, the thread became spammy with chat and unrelated images.

And that pattern went on for weeks.  Long enough for me to learn to never go there.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I have a theory on the Reapers. If it's Reaper tech that indoctrinates people, isn't it possible the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated? If so, maybe there'd be a way to un-indoc them, or maybe if the Crucible is a giant indoc canon, maybe the effect could be reversed, and un-indoc everyone, including the Reapers.

This is one of my theories, I'm guessing that only Harbinger is not, all other reapers are under his control despite "each a nation"
I explained somewhere else, if the essence of each race is kept in those reaper hulls then they would need remain indoctrinated otherwise they would rebel against their new form.

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DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The first thread became too big, I'm guessing?


No, some troll managed to do the impossible and draw the ire of Priestly, whom I have now disowned as my own personal deity. 

*inverts his holy symbol of Priestly*


Couldn't you just ask for it to be unlocked since the guy trolling was the reason it got locked and not because we were off topic?


Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It was not one person, it was several, the thread became spammy with chat and unrelated images.


Oh..

Well that sucks.

#514
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Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

*your post above*

Let's not talk about it anymore. For me now, it's just like nothing happened. After all the thread is still going on...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

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DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I have a theory on the Reapers. If it's Reaper tech that indoctrinates people, isn't it possible the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated? If so, maybe there'd be a way to un-indoc them, or maybe if the Crucible is a giant indoc canon, maybe the effect could be reversed, and un-indoc everyone, including the Reapers.

This is one of my theories, I'm guessing that only Harbinger is not, all other reapers are under his control despite "each a nation"
I explained somewhere else, if the essence of each race is kept in those reaper hulls then they would need remain indoctrinated otherwise they would rebel against their new form.


And maybe Shep could convince them, or show them, that, and the Reapers would fight each other Image IPB

Wait, in that vision if you fail Arrival, isn't there a Reaper getting shot by other Reapers?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian did you posted that wall of text you promised?


Unfortunately yes, and unfortunately it got locked. Thanks for nothing Chris.


On which page?

Modifié par paxxton, 15 mai 2012 - 12:57 .


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Okay back on topic for me. Let's make something happen.

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DJBare wrote...

This is one of my theories, I'm guessing that only Harbinger is not, all other reapers are under his control despite "each a nation"
I explained somewhere else, if the essence of each race is kept in those reaper hulls then they would need remain indoctrinated otherwise they would rebel against their new form.

Very interesting... But if Harbinger is not indoctrinated then what is he made of ? Is he actually the original Indoctrination device? I mean he's also a "nation" and partly organic, or am I wrong?

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I will survive!

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 15 mai 2012 - 01:01 .


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Uncle Jo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This is one of my theories, I'm guessing that only Harbinger is not, all other reapers are under his control despite "each a nation"
I explained somewhere else, if the essence of each race is kept in those reaper hulls then they would need remain indoctrinated otherwise they would rebel against their new form.

Very interesting... But if Harbinger is not indoctrinated then what is he made of ? Is he actually the original Indoctrination device? I mean he's also a "nation" and partly organic, or am I wrong?

Sorry, but that's not the case. The essence of a race means its raw genetic material not its memories, experiences and behavioral patterns. Besides, ascending into a Reaper form changes perspective and maybe those ascended don't want to go back.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 mai 2012 - 01:10 .


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If I could think of any counter-argument, it would be why would the Catalyst show or even mention the Destroy option if it in turn releases him from their hold.

Firstly, if you notice, the Catalyst doesn't present the Destroy option...
"Anderson" does...

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You see the white circle, you see Anderson shooting the tube, and then Astroyboy tells you "hey, you'll kill the Geth too"

Secondly...

Saren:
I've studied the effects of indoctrination. The more control Sovereign exerts, the less capable the subject becomes. That is my saving grace.

from the codex...

A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends,
trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.

Reaper "indoctrination"
is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the
brain through physical and psychological conditioning using
electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other
subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic
system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

The Reapers bring people around to their way of thinking. They psychologically condition people to think a certain way, and that requires breaking down their will...

The limbic system is highly active during dream states, and it's notable for emotional associations with imagery. People in dreams will often be metaphorical representations. Anderson represents the part of Shepard's brain that is fighting indoctrination...

Obviously, this is far more than a dream; it's an invasion of the mind by Cyborg Cthuhlu to bring the most useful thrall in the galaxy around to their way of thinking...






Now let me ask you this...
Why would the Catalyst present the Destroy option if it wipes out all of the Reapers?
It doesn't solve the problem he's presented to you at all...
In fact, it directly undermines him, it destroys all of the life he has carefully preserved in Reaper form...

#522
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We've said this a few times actually, but it's good for someone to put it all together.

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Parabolee77 wrote...

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I want to bring up another argument by Literalists that has been coming up (though I know it's by a certain ultratroll that we all love to hate because he never backs up his argument.)

Now they're basically using the Bill Clinton argument ( "It depends what your definition of is is") against the definition of indoctrination. Basically they're saying the " under full control of the Reapers " is not the same as indoctrination and that TIM might be using something else to control Anderson and Shepard. They're basically saying that we jumped to conclusions when we said that " under full reaper control " in the Final Hours App automatically meant indoctrination.

Frankly, I'm sick of this argument and it's become cancerous so I would love if we could figure out a way to handle this B.S.


Well there is a well established name for when someone is under "full reaper control". They talk about it in the comics, and the books and the games too.

It's called INDOCTRINATION!

:o


yeah, I know. We told this guy like at least 20 times. You can imagine how frustrated I became.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Or... maybe you're overthinking it? It's something a little funny and kind of strange guys, making an amusing coincidence, nothing more, says I.


I know. It was just a funny, wierd coincidence, like playing Dark Side of the Moon to The Wizard of Oz

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It's a forum with no age restriction hosted by bioware themselves.
Once the trolls burst out into the millions of dick jokes it was only a matter of time really.