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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:

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Humakt83 wrote...

Was this song played at any point of the game?

I've lost control


I think when you fall into the Tuchanka catacombs.

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byne wrote...

The beginning at least sounds like when one of the turian pilots gets shot down by the destroyer on Tuchanka. I believe he even says something about losing control there.


Strange I don't remember it, because the track is quite intense.

Unschuld wrote...

I think when you fall into the Tuchanka catacombs.

 

That could be it.

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ahhhh...
i see what you did thar Posted Image


It's the one where Earth isn't destroyed, but the soldiers don't raise their arms...

oh shieet ! i should've spotted that a long time ago.. time to load up Citadel: The Return

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Is this the actual name of the song?

Indoctrination

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

https://twitter.com/...401547981586432


HINTS HINTS HINTS OH DEAR GOD THE SPECULATION

[edit] Next level of reading into things, acquired


is this a joke?

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Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?


Now look at this picture from London

Whoa..
Nice find

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Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

https://twitter.com/...401547981586432


HINTS HINTS HINTS OH DEAR GOD THE SPECULATION

[edit] Next level of reading into things, acquired


is this a joke?

Another LOST ending. I like that! And what did you expect?

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Unschuld wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Was this song played at any point of the game?

I've lost control


I think when you fall into the Tuchanka catacombs.

yeah that's where it's from. It has part of ME2's Soundtrack from The Arrival "Last Stand"

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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Hello! My opinion on Reaper fights is that they were made simple for gameplay reasons. It's unfortunate because there are so many other ways you can fight a Reaper, not only with guns but also with hacking or planting a computer virus, or like during the IFF mission in ME2 - getting inside and destroying the core. The Reapers are oversimplified in ME3.


I don't think they are at all. Destroying ONE Reaper, ok, been done. Once. And it took a huge fleet to do it and that fleet took massive losses and only managed it to do t because Shep messed up it's shields for a moment. (The two smaller destroyers killed in ME3 don't count)

Unless the set is something like - destroy Harbringer and you stop the Reapers cause is the master control droid ship - or something like that, how do you fight the reapers with hacking, or something? You cannot get inside a live Reaper without it knowing you are there and putting a mind whammy on you. A DEAD reaper managed to indoctrinate a Cerberus science team for pity's sake.

So you cannot take all the Reapers by force of guns, you cannot hack them all....so you need some kind of outside the box solution. Not saying the one presented in the game is necessarily the most gripping, but everything we know about the reapers prior to ME3 starting is that there was no way they could be taken out by any methods used by the characters to that point.


Actually 3-4 dreadnoughts are stated to be able to overwhelm the shields a Sovreign class Reaper, but that is still horrible ratio to have considering that at best the fleet has some 200+ dreadnoughts (and I underline that is at best, as it is not taking into considereation losses allready sustianed over the cause of the war) so the odds are not exactly in  our favor, even with the mightiest fleet.

But the Reapers most certainly wont be flying out of that battle without some serius losses.


Oh sure the Reapers might loose some. We see at least one get badly damaged in the finall attack on Earth in ME3. But it's really just the Powel doctrine at work. The Reapers attack with overwhelming force. So its not just that Reapers are hard to kill, but they can dish out way more punishment than any other force in the galaxy. Basically the are killing something like 10 or 20 of your biggest ships for every one of them you manage to take out. It's a numbers game the Reapers would always win.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

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Ravereth wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?

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paxxton wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

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Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?

Could just be foreshadowing the London Mission since i don't recall seeing those shreds of paper at any other point in the game.

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Humakt83 wrote...

byne wrote...

The beginning at least sounds like when one of the turian pilots gets shot down by the destroyer on Tuchanka. I believe he even says something about losing control there.


Strange I don't remember it, because the track is quite intense.

Unschuld wrote...

I think when you fall into the Tuchanka catacombs.

 

That could be it.


You can hear the beginning part of it in this vid

Hopefully the linking at a specific time works, because its a long video. If not, just skip to 18:44

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Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?
*snip*
Now look at this picture from London
*snip*


Shreds of paper? Shep's dreams? Wait, what?

How could I miss that?? How many were there?

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paxxton wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! My opinion on Reaper fights is that they were made simple for gameplay reasons. It's unfortunate because there are so many other ways you can fight a Reaper, not only with guns but also with hacking or planting a computer virus, or like during the IFF mission in ME2 - getting inside and destroying the core. The Reapers are oversimplified in ME3.


I don't think they are at all. Destroying ONE Reaper, ok, been done. Once. And it took a huge fleet to do it and that fleet took massive losses and only managed it to do t because Shep messed up it's shields for a moment. (The two smaller destroyers killed in ME3 don't count)

Unless the set is something like - destroy Harbringer and you stop the Reapers cause is the master control droid ship - or something like that, how do you fight the reapers with hacking, or something? You cannot get inside a live Reaper without it knowing you are there and putting a mind whammy on you. A DEAD reaper managed to indoctrinate a Cerberus science team for pity's sake.

So you cannot take all the Reapers by force of guns, you cannot hack them all....so you need some kind of outside the box solution. Not saying the one presented in the game is necessarily the most gripping, but everything we know about the reapers prior to ME3 starting is that there was no way they could be taken out by any methods used by the characters to that point.

You could get into a live Reaper if the Alliance came up with a jamming device that could interfere with Reaper detection signals (maybe some variant of IFF).

As for the oversimplification, it may be so because they were announcing their arrival for 2 games with big words and in ME3 you actually get to see what they can do. And you are like "What!? That's all it takes to destroy one?" I anticipated more direct fights (and more fights) with Reapers - not only ordering a fleet to bombard from orbit or having a tresher maw deal with it.


Consider the logstics of that. We have thousands of the huge big time Reapers in space. So you have to sneak inside each one, kill the legions of gross space zombies that are no doubt living inside it, get to the eezo core, somehow NOT get indoctrinated and turned into a turnip (which so far seems impossible), blow the core and get out. And then what? Do it again to the next Reaper? And again?

Not going to happen. Would take too long. You'd have to either overwhelm the Reapers with conventional force - which the galaxy simply doesn't have - or you find some other kind of solution that can defeat either all the Reapers in single stroke or some method of killing large groups of them at once. Either way, getting inside one and blowing it up is a pretty labourous process.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Is this the actual name of the song?

Indoctrination


I dont believe so. I think the names from the 'expanded soundtrack' are just names fans came up with

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paxxton wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?


I... don't know (:devil:), but I hope that it doesn't mean that the whole Priority Earth mission wasn't real...

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

paxxton wrote...


What do you think it might mean?

Could just be foreshadowing the London Mission since i don't recall seeing those shreds of paper at any other point in the game.


What is it you guys are seeing, exactly? 

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Ravereth wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?


I... don't know (:devil:), but I hope that it doesn't mean that the whole Priority Earth mission wasn't real...


I sort of do. Worst part of the game by far.

Excluding the goodbyes, which were kind of nice. Only ones I really liked were Liara and Garrus' goodbyes though, the others were pretty mediocre.

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paxxton wrote...


What do you think it might mean?

Could just be foreshadowing the London Mission since i don't recall seeing those shreds of paper at any other point in the game.


What is it you guys are seeing, exactly? 

take a look at Ravereth's post in the previous page.
There are shreds of paper falling from the sky in the dream sequences. Just like in the London mission

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byne wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?


I... don't know (:devil:), but I hope that it doesn't mean that the whole Priority Earth mission wasn't real...


I sort of do. Worst part of the game by far.

Excluding the goodbyes, which were kind of nice. Only ones I really liked were Liara and Garrus' goodbyes though, the others were pretty mediocre.

I liked London very much.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Do you guys remember these shreds of paper from Shep's dreams?....

I guess I'm just seeing things... Maybe because I didn't sleep last night :whistle:


No, you're not.
Really great find!


Thanks :)

What do you think it might mean?


I... don't know (:devil:), but I hope that it doesn't mean that the whole Priority Earth mission wasn't real...


I sort of do. Worst part of the game by far.

Excluding the goodbyes, which were kind of nice. Only ones I really liked were Liara and Garrus' goodbyes though, the others were pretty mediocre.

I liked London very much.

Same here

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

take a look at Ravereth's post in the previous page.
There are shreds of paper falling from the sky in the dream sequences. Just like in the London mission


Damn, mind blown yet again.