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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

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Post_circumcised *snip*
Mass Errect: Episode 3. Cookies sent?

In the mail as we speek.

Good. I'll check the mailbox tomorrow. They better be there. Posted ImagePosted Image

More cookies if you can guess my favorite part of episode 3. :lol:

On topic: Could the reapers have known Javik's position on synthesis? If they did, assuming it is a hallucination, why add Javik in synthesis at all? It would just make the hallucion that much less creditable. As a matter of fact, concidering the overlay theory what would be the point of the reapers adding a "good" hallucination for control/synthesis if they already have control of Shepard. The only reason I can think of is so that BW doesn't discredit the other endings.


The Ambassador's office? Doyaknohowmanyanymoar?

On topic: The visions after you make a choice are also meant for the player. They further camouflage the indoctrination attempt. Showing Javik in Synthesis might be a hint to signal that something's not right.

The visions are also there for show to prevent another uproar on BSN. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .


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Chriz Tah Fah

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paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Post_circumcised *snip*
Mass Errect: Episode 3. Cookies sent?

In the mail as we speek.

Good. I'll check the mailbox tomorrow. They better be there. Posted ImagePosted Image

More cookies if you can guess my favorite part of episode 3. :lol:

On topic: Could the reapers have known Javik's position on synthesis? If they did, assuming it is a hallucination, why add Javik in synthesis at all? It would just make the hallucion that much less creditable. As a matter of fact, concidering the overlay theory what would be the point of the reapers adding a "good" hallucination for control/synthesis if they already have control of Shepard. The only reason I can think of is so that BW doesn't discredit the other endings.


The Ambassador's office? Doyaknohowmanyanymoar?

On topic: The visions after you make a choice are also meant for the player. They further camouflage the indoctrination attempt. Showing Javik in Synthesis might be a hint to signal that something's not right.

The visions are also there for show to prevent another uproar on BSN. Posted Image

More cookies are being sent.

On topic: the scene with Shepard breathing is also a hint that something about the rest of the vision is not right. I know it came after the "vision" but it still relevent to "past" (assuming the breath is after the vision).

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Hahaha! I want the Reapers to arrive. Hilarious.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:26 .


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A little advertisement. :P

DJ Harbinger!

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paxxton wrote...

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tha Skrillex piece is nice!

I hate dubstep.

It sounds fine. But Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites is better (at least the beginning motif Posted Image).

I like the first 20 or so seconds of that song. Not so crazy about the rest.

Heh. The other part is a bit crazy. Posted Image


Depends on the artist, but Skrillex is more Moombahstep than Dubstep (look at me going all hipster and whatnot).

I love the synths involved in this sort of stuff personally, takes some technical wizardry to make them sound good ;) Here's one I'm working on in bog-standard Propellerhead Reason (not direct-linking the image, it's my whole V-Rack and probably about 6000 pixels tall :lol:):

http://imgur.com/a/oDUTY 

The routing's even more chaotic, so I'll leave that hidden :whistle:

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paxxton wrote...

Hahaha! I want the Reapers to arrive. Hilarious.

So paxx, you Control the Reapers. So you need a boyfriend? ^^

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TSA_383 wrote...

Depends on the artist, but Skrillex is more Moombahstep than Dubstep (look at me going all hipster and whatnot).

I love the synths involved in this sort of stuff personally, takes some technical wizardry to make them sound good ;) Here's one I'm working on in bog-standard Propellerhead Reason (not direct-linking the image, it's my whole V-Rack and probably about 6000 pixels tall :lol:):

http://imgur.com/a/oDUTY 

The routing's even more chaotic, so I'll leave that hidden :whistle:

Hmm... Looks extremely complicated. Posted Image

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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hahaha! I want the Reapers to arrive. Hilarious.

So paxx, you Control the Reapers. So you need a boyfriend? ^^

I prefer a new girlfriend. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .


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paxxton wrote...

I'd prefer a new girlfriend. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

OK, here you go! Speedin' up your chemistry. ;)

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:43 .


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I just thought of a funny... yet at the same time horrifying twist to the IT theory. I'm not saying I believe this, but I'm just putting this out that: I don't think this is impossible. Let me explain.

What if what Shepard experiences in the post Harbinger beam is in his head but everything in space with Hackett is real?

Ok follow me, let's continue. Let's say my Overlay-time hypothesis is incorrect and what is happening to Shepard is happening in space at roughly the same time.

I call this the Kenny Golden PSP theory. The KGPSP Theory states that the player is never really meant to know how Shepard activiates the crucible, the ending to ME3 is meant to be the player fighting indoctrination in Shepard's mind while Shepard does a bunch of cool stuff like activating the crucible and fighting hordes of reaper forces.

Basically it's like the Southpark golden PSP episode where there is this epic battle that the angel describes while Kenny is stuck playing a virtual version of what is really happening. The "details that were lost in time" is what Shepard was doing while we were in Shepard's mind.

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Hackett: "Wow Shepard has activated the crucibible. Man I bet if this was a video game the player is missing out on some epic citadel missions. I hope the ending to that video game doesn't end in an abstract battle to keep Shepard's mind from indoctrination while Shepard experieces some sweet battle action on the citadel that theoretically the player will NEVER GET TO SEE... man that would suck."

Alliance Officer: Sir?

Hackett: "Sorry just speculating. Evac the fleet"

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SubAstris wrote...

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Shepard was at very close proximity to Object Rho for two days whilst unconscious. The reapers wanted Shepard alive for some reason...

...Harbinger saying "your mind will be ours" or something...seems pretty indicative of Indoctrination

...why would the Reapers search for Shepard's body?

Arrival and the books/comics are canon by the way


That's why I said Arrival was a separate case. It might be canon, although BW have stated there isn't one for the games, but whether Shepard experienced Rho depends on whether the player the DLC. Just as if you don't play LotSB, you don't get to raid the ship. Both times it is shown in game that Shepard didn't do the missions


As it's considered canon by both Hudson and Walters, it doesn't matter if someone did play it or not, the consequences apply to all Shepards. You know, you don't have to play the first two games ...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/1961#13200125


And yet in the game it tells a completely different story, for example, if you don't do LotSB, Liara tells you that she became the Shadow Broker. Your individual Shepard had absolutely no part to play in it. Therefore, in relation to the game itself, the events but not the individual involved are canon


Wrong. Both Hudson and Walters consider Shepard doing Arrival to be canon. Read the quotes I've linked. Hudson states: The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges the two games. And Walters states that Shepard imprisoned in the Conviction comic because they know that it happened. And for things to be different in player games than in literature: ...  for some events that occurred we have to go with a certain cannon version. So there's a chance that what you read might not be exactly the events you remember.

Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Why? Because Hudson an Walters say so. EOD.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'd prefer a new girlfriend. Posted Image

OK, here you go! Speedin' up your chemistry. ;)

LOL. Tali could be my sister. I thought about Miranda/Liara/Samara. At the same time. Posted Image //Gamer Poop

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:47 .


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paxxton wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'd prefer a new girlfriend. Posted Image

OK, here you go! Speedin' up your chemistry. ;)

LOL. Tali could be my sister. I thought about Miranda/Liara/Samara. At the same time. Posted Image //Gamer Poop


If Tali is your sister - I'll make Wrex my uncle.

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Schachmatt wrote...

Wrong. Both Hudson and Walters consider Shepard doing Arrival to be canon. Read the quotes I've linked. Hudson states: The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges the two games. And Walters states that Shepard imprisoned in the Conviction comic because they know that it happened.

Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Why? Because Hudson an Walters say so. EOD.

It is possible that the note about marines doing it instead could've been the result of crossed signals in the dev team, but it's still there, being awkward.

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LOL. Tali could be my sister. I thought about Miranda/Liara/Samara. At the same time. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

Nah, Tali. :wub:

@otter, while likely, I don't think that would suit us all. What's the point if Indoc. AND the literal endings happen? I don't even think that both ways work, because the one excludes the other and vice versa. If I got your point right.

Shepard fighting Indoc., and yet he activates the Crucible, with the blue, green or red result? Meh, I pass.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .


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Random fact of awesomeness: I'm at work listening to the elevator music of ME1.

True story, bro.

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paxxton wrote...

Hahaha! I want the Reapers to arrive. Hilarious.


THats AWESOME

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hahaha! I want the Reapers to arrive. Hilarious.


THats AWESOME

Rosewind! Finally! I get no facepalm from you. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .


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Rosewind wrote...

THats AWESOME

Then check this out.

#52520
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UltimateTobi wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

THats AWESOME

Then check this out.


...and then get back on topic! :P

#52521
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v0rt3x22 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

THats AWESOME

Then check this out.


...and then get back on topic! :P

ROFL. "This hearing has nothing to do with lalala."

OK, back on topic.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .


#52522
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paxxton wrote...

OK, back on topic.

So, what's the most recent being discussed, besides otter's post I didn't quite get the point of.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, back on topic.

So, what's the most recent being discussed, besides otter's post I didn't quite get the point of.


To be honest - I think we might have not looked enough at the first 2 games - especially the first one...I think we may find very interesting connections - if we look back - in terms of all the information we have from 2 and 3 now.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

To be honest - I think we might have not looked enough at the first 2 games - especially the first one...I think we may find very interesting connections - if we look back - in terms of all the information we have from 2 and 3 now.

I've just been playing 1 and I've not noticed anything except stuff about indoctrination we all knew and Sovereign's dialogue being competely at odds with the catalysts, whick we knew.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I've just been playing 1 and I've not noticed anything except stuff about indoctrination we all knew and Sovereign's dialogue being competely at odds with the catalysts, whick we knew.

I believe Sovereign. He's the vanguard of our destruction; or he was. And what he said was/is true!