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Arian. I'm listening to your audition. I don't know what you were worried about. It's a good start. Just needs more practice, more confidence, more practice, and oh, more practice.

Though I'm wondering. This isn't an open audition is it? (Not that I want to steal your thunder.)

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Maybe we should read the battle of Omega because there are some interesting things that happen that I can;t explain right now because I just started to read it, so e back in a bit.

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Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

I weep for you. :crying:
You're missing out on some great stuff. You just have to find the good stuff the way Waldo (I have no idea how international he is) taught you.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 25 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .


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Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

I weep for you. :crying:
You're missing out on some great stuff. You just have to find the good stuff the way Waldo (I have no idea how international he is) taught you.


Wally he was called, they even changed it in the TV show to wally man I loved that show....And yeah really cant stand Star wars so belive me that will be hard.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Arian. I'm listening to your audition. I don't know what you were worried about. It's a good start. Just needs more practice, more confidence, more practice, and oh, more practice.

Though I'm wondering. This isn't an open audition is it? (Not that I want to steal your thunder.)


Ask Hellish.

And yeah, weirdly enough, I...

Well I was about to say I have no problem with public speaking, but to be honest, that's not true anymore.

I think I've lost alot of my self-confidence and self-esteem over the years. :unsure:

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I would say that it makes my previous jokes about planning to breaking you not funny any more. Except that'd be a lie. I'm a ****** like that. I suggest you regain your confidence or else I'll start calling you Fluttershy.

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masster blaster wrote...

Maybe we should read the battle of Omega because there are some interesting things that happen that I can;t explain right now because I just started to read it, so e back in a bit.

The comic?

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Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

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Meatbag? why are you calling me that?


Sarge Red vs Blue reference perhaps?


Never watched red v blue in my life

Srsly, guys/girls?? It's HK-47. Ax's grammatical structure matched HK-47's speech with 93% accuracy. And there's been a lot of KotOR references/allusions in the past 50 or so pages of the thread.:(

Edit: BTW, Sarge says dirtbag, not meatbag.


Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

You wont miss much, it's 95% good, and the last 5% bad.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian. I'm listening to your audition. I don't know what you were worried about. It's a good start. Just needs more practice, more confidence, more practice, and oh, more practice.

Though I'm wondering. This isn't an open audition is it? (Not that I want to steal your thunder.)


Ask Hellish.

And yeah, weirdly enough, I...

Well I was about to say I have no problem with public speaking, but to be honest, that's not true anymore.

I think I've lost alot of my self-confidence and self-esteem over the years. :unsure:


In my case, it's also all about the confidence. That's also why most of the time I'm silent during MP :P. Also, I think my voice sounds weird.

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Simon_Says wrote...

I would say that it makes my previous jokes about planning to breaking you not funny any more. Except that'd be a lie. I'm a ****** like that. I suggest you regain your confidence or else I'll start calling you Fluttershy.


I already have a number of friends who planned on breaking me, their logic being so they could make me anew and take the wind and arrogance out of my sails.

I kinda think I would rather have my self-confidence back.

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Brazukka wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Maybe we should read the battle of Omega because there are some interesting things that happen that I can;t explain right now because I just started to read it, so e back in a bit.

The comic?


Yes I had a feeling, that if you helped her bring the mercs together, she is not going to Earth, but Omega, and I have a feeling that we will have a chance to get General Petrovsky. Also the adjutants seem to be something that Shepard is going to incounter later on in the omega dlc. Also TIM wants omega badly because he needs a base to go resupply once they go through the Omega 4 relay.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Invasion

Read the full 4 comic summery it's pretty clear that there will be a Retake omega dlc, that could put aside why Aria is not there at the fina; battle, and why the Terminus fleets are not present. Since Aria got Shepard to gather a fleet to retake Omega from the General. Also this may likely take place after Tims base is destroyed.

Also that the adjutants were suppost to be in ME3 but the enggiens could not comprehend the teleporting adjutants. But don't Banshees/N7 Slayer/Shadow/Vanguards teleport? or is it a biotic jump?

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .


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Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Meatbag? why are you calling me that?


Sarge Red vs Blue reference perhaps?


Never watched red v blue in my life

Srsly, guys/girls?? It's HK-47. Ax's grammatical structure matched HK-47's speech with 93% accuracy. And there's been a lot of KotOR references/allusions in the past 50 or so pages of the thread.:(

Edit: BTW, Sarge says dirtbag, not meatbag.


Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

You wont miss much, it's 95% good, and the last 5% bad.


Sooo like ME3 lol

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You wont miss much, it's 95% good, and the last 5% bad.


So since the last part is not good according to you, the whole game is not worth it?

Remind you of anything? :D

Also, Y U give absolute statements about opinion?

To me, KOTOR is still one of my favorite games and will remain that, even if IT turnes out to be true. In terms of "That part sucked, so the whole game sucked", I find KOTOR to be exactly the opposite: "That one part was awesome, so the whole game was pretty awesome".

But that's my opinion.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .


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Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

I weep for you. :crying:
You're missing out on some great stuff. You just have to find the good stuff the way Waldo (I have no idea how international he is) taught you.


Wally he was called, they even changed it in the TV show to wally man I loved that show....And yeah really cant stand Star wars so belive me that will be hard.

I can believe you that you find it hard in as much as I find it hard to rationalize how someone could love ME without loving the Star Wars Universe. It's breaking my brain.:blink:

Perhaps you could list what you like within SciFi and literature and perhaps us Star Wars junkies that reside within this thread could point you away from stuff you wouldn't like and towards stuff you may possibly appreciate. While the prequels weren't all that great and the original trilogy was decently good, the real gem is the universe itself and the stories that take place in it away from the films.

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Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.


"This is good, isn't it?"

Btw, weekend challenge looks to be quite the cakewalk.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .


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Simon_Says wrote...

Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.


Yeah, I can usually do a better Blum than that.:whistle:

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .


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Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

I weep for you. :crying:
You're missing out on some great stuff. You just have to find the good stuff the way Waldo (I have no idea how international he is) taught you.


Wally he was called, they even changed it in the TV show to wally man I loved that show....And yeah really cant stand Star wars so belive me that will be hard.

I can believe you that you find it hard in as much as I find it hard to rationalize how someone could love ME without loving the Star Wars Universe. It's breaking my brain.:blink:

Perhaps you could list what you like within SciFi and literature and perhaps us Star Wars junkies that reside within this thread could point you away from stuff you wouldn't like and towards stuff you may possibly appreciate. While the prequels weren't all that great and the original trilogy was decently good, the real gem is the universe itself and the stories that take place in it away from the films.


I think it is mainly cause I hate lucas with a passion ....... think he has a big head. But I love scfi stuff I just hate starwars, because unlike ME I feel like it doesn;t have those shades of gray to it. It really just seems like  it;s black and white, Jedi's being good and sith's being evil..... Oh I am a huge Trek Fan :P to!

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.


"This is good, isn't it?"

Btw, weekend challenge looks to be quite the cakewalk.


But will probably fail it anyway, starting to agree with RIf i think the elitist are failing on purpose some times...

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.


"This is good, isn't it?"

Btw, weekend challenge looks to be quite the cakewalk.

It would if I had and Earth DLC character. I still haven't unlocked one yet. Looks like I've got to put KotOR on hold for the rest of this week. Darn.

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so no new evidence, no new videos? Can you guys point me in a direction at least? I'm interested.


Not sure if this was discussed but the Charon, the relay that humanity discovers might be a reference to Charon from Greek mythology who was a ferryman in Hades. Cerberus is also from Greek mythlogy and guards the underworld.

All this might be a hint towards Dante's "Divine Comedy" in which Cerberus and Charon appear. In the divine comedy Dante (the main character) is lost in dark woods where he meets Virgil (nod to Virgil AI and the prothean beacons) who gives him visions.

The story is told allegorically which is basically what the ME3 ending is. Shepard like Dante goes through three levels. For Dante it was Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. For Shepard Hell might either be initially after Harbinger attacks or the hallway with all the dead bodies. Purgatory being the meeting with TIM/Anderson, and Paradise/Heaven being meeting with starchild, the reapers might be representative of the "flying angels."

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Dante and Beatrice see God as a point of light surrounded by angels

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Shepard meets starchild up in the heavens, Shepard sees a beam of light that starchild tries to convince you is good.


In heaven Dante meets Beatrice who basically explains creation of the universe and the role of angels (or in ME3 Shepard meets starchild who explains the role of the reapers which are center for the creation of the ME3 universe and storyline).

ME3 flips the "Divine Comedy" on its head, Dante is the story of a person who ends up closer to God. Shepard's story is of accepting faith of a false god in the reapers and succumbing to indoctrination.

Extra credit: here is also some medievel imagery in the end of ME3. The medievel view of the universe:

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Interesting observations. Though I just wanted to say that the Charon relay is named after Pluto's moon of the same name, and the Prothean VI in ME1 is named "Vigil," not "Virgil."

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Btw Arian your Blum sounds more like Snake.


"This is good, isn't it?"

Btw, weekend challenge looks to be quite the cakewalk.

It would if I had and Earth DLC character. I still haven't unlocked one yet. Looks like I've got to put KotOR on hold for the rest of this week. Darn.


I still haven't got any characters unlocked from the other pack, I have the worst luck keep unlocking and upgrading weapons and characters I never use

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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You wont miss much, it's 95% good, and the last 5% bad.


So since the last part is not good according to you, the whole game is not worth it?

Remind you of anything? :D

Also, Y U give absolute statements about opinion?

To me, KOTOR is still one of my favorite games and will remain that, even if IT turnes out to be true. In terms of "That part sucked, so the whole game sucked", I find KOTOR to be exactly the opposite: "That one part was awesome, so the whole game was pretty awesome".

But that's my opinion.

Nah I just said she wouldn't miss much. The jokes and characters are nice, the story is bland and foreseeable. The "twist" should be known to the player at least after the second vision and the endings are soo... arg.. and set in stone, I mean seriously I would expect if you choose the right stuff any companion could also turn to the dark side/light side. Take Mission for example, if I go for the dark side the only option I have is I either kill Mission or let the Wookie do it. I mean yeah the Sith are all bad and so on, but I seriously would have expected something as imprison her, maybe make her a slave like the companions you have in TOR with that "fun" shock collar. And don't get me startet with Jolee who was one of the best SW characters I've seen so far, then they just killed him in the last minutes.

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Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Never played KotOR either hoesntly cant stand star wars

I weep for you. :crying:
You're missing out on some great stuff. You just have to find the good stuff the way Waldo (I have no idea how international he is) taught you.


Wally he was called, they even changed it in the TV show to wally man I loved that show....And yeah really cant stand Star wars so belive me that will be hard.

I can believe you that you find it hard in as much as I find it hard to rationalize how someone could love ME without loving the Star Wars Universe. It's breaking my brain.:blink:

Perhaps you could list what you like within SciFi and literature and perhaps us Star Wars junkies that reside within this thread could point you away from stuff you wouldn't like and towards stuff you may possibly appreciate. While the prequels weren't all that great and the original trilogy was decently good, the real gem is the universe itself and the stories that take place in it away from the films.


I think it is mainly cause I hate lucas with a passion ....... think he has a big head. But I love scfi stuff I just hate starwars, because unlike ME I feel like it doesn;t have those shades of gray to it. It really just seems like  it;s black and white, Jedi's being good and sith's being evil..... Oh I am a huge Trek Fan :P to!

That's a pretty black and white opinion on SW for/from having a limited perspective. The EU (Expanded Universe) content features shades of grey quite often (Jedi who turn for good reasons, neutral views on Dark/Light Side of the Force, Sith with noble-ish goals, etc.). Also, Lucas is barely and rarely involved with the EU stuff.

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SO

The next operation appears to be dealing with the beginning stages of the assault on earth?

http://blog.bioware....tion-overwatch/

Operation OVERWATCH (July 27th 10AM PDT – July 30th 5AM PDT)

Operation OVERWATCH drops troops on Earth to tackle the most secure Reaper strongholds. Reaper anti-air defense will make for high-risk shuttle extractions.

Squad Goal: Extraction on any difficulty with at least one squad member using an Earth Pack character

Allied Goal: Extract 800,000 individual players on any difficulty, with each live member counting toward the goal.

Squad Goal Success: All squad members awarded a Commendation Pack.
Allied Goal Success: All players awarded a Victory Pack that includes a new Earth character.

Special Circumstance: Extraction time lengthened due to failure of Operation BROADSIDE.

Requirement: Mass Effect: Earth must be installed to earn these rewards.


Seems like a very easy operation - clearly a "meant to win" fight.
We'll get this one no trouble at all.

So we've reached the point of the fleets arriving at earth... Not long now!