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[estebanus]

Hey guys! Anyone up for some MP with me?

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys! Anyone up for some MP with me?

Join us
http://www.twitch.tv/megumiazusa

[paxxton]

*sigh*

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[CoolioThane]

Megumi that song...it just makes the match seem like defeat is only being delayed

[paxxton]

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

[paxxton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Megumi that song...it just makes the match seem like defeat is only being delayed

The Malefitz?

[paxxton]

Oooo, nice music, Megumi!

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

The turret directly affects the convo with Liara about casualties. The better you do with the turret, the fewer casualties you have. Weird right?

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

You're probably thinking about the planet description of Klencory, which speaks of "machine devils" and that eccentric volus. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Klencory

[BansheeOwnage]

Megumi, why do you keep trying to shoot through walls without AP mod?

[smokingotter1]

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Everyone, he's a reminder on what we're fighting for. And what the 'Catalyst' stands for.

Resist.

youtu.be/LLqqGf4sBrE

(watch in full screen, HD, full volume/headset for full effect)

Hole crap the static that is coming from Sovergien is reminding me of the endings. red,gree,or blue static is all over the Reapers, but in Destroy at theend of Me3 looks like the same static/color it used to take out Sovrgiens sheilds.

Yep.

How I see it, is that Reapers see themselves as the ultimate dominating force over the galaxy. They are the masters of Synthesis (green, as shown also through Collectors and genetic manipulation), Control (blue, as shown through indoctrination, husks, and Illusive Man), and Destruction (red, as shown through their weaponry and

I believe that the Reapers have the benefit of TIME and EXPERIENCE when it comes to Synthesis and Control. We can't control them. We can't merge with them without losing everything we are. The EC endings are Shepard's wishful thinking, while being indoctrinated.

But we can destroy them. Time and time again now, we are shown that not just Shepard, but organics in general CAN destroy Reapers. We do in ME1 (one large one). We do in ME2 (human Reaper). We do in ME3 (two destroyers and one large one). The Turians have the Miracle of Palaven. While it is very unlikely we'll *win*, Destroy is the best method as it has been proven to WORK. Control has been shown to time and time again result in failure, and Synthesis was the complete domain of the Reapers.

(Sidenote: I believe Control might be possible, but its a big chance to take. I would love if 'real' endings resulted in:
-Destroy leading to the worst endings with Shepard dead dead or the best endings with Shepard alive and finishing the fight
-Control being a big gamble requiring large EMS and more, but being POSSIBLE, just very hard to get. In most cases, Shepard would simply become partially or fully indoctrinated, but in some cases, he would actually surprise the Reapers and surpass their will.
-Synthesis being the Reapers winning and indoctrinating Shepard fully, leading to rather interesting story stuff (reminding me of Revan killing his own teammates...)


I'm inclined to believe that the Catalyst is lying, and that the 'original organic race' actually willingly became Reapers, after reaching a technological point to facilitate the change. Leviathan is the first or the second Reaper, and Harbinger is the first successful one (by Reaper standards). Something like that.

So they oppress the organics not because of synthetics (in fact they seem neutral towards other synthetics, viewing them only as tools), but because they are the mirror raised up in front of them. The past they forcefully abandon. They attach onto the organic cycles because THEY are the parasites, and they wish ultimate synthesis only because it eliminates resistance in the former-organics.

They are children. (interestingly enough, looking at the Catalyst)

Yet sadly, it is far too late for them to be taught the error of their ways.

This. It's my believe that the decision chamber the reapers are inside Shepard's head and are weighing their options. The three options (or four if you include) presented are what the reapers are thinking they can do with Shepard.

Reaper options, your choice.
A. Let the reapers control you. Your efforts to control the reapers will fail.
B. Synthesis with reapers
C. If you insist on following Anderson's example the reapers will have no choice but to destroy you (unless you have a really high EMS)

or you can be stubborn and refuse to cooperate. The reapers can rest assured that you will stop trying and game over.

tl;dr All game over choices unless you have a high ems with destroy.

[BansheeOwnage]

Why do you all play on PC >

We need more 360 ITers

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

You're probably thinking about the planet description of Klencory, which speaks of "machine devils" and that eccentric volus. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Klencory

Yeah, this.

[FifthBeatle]

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

From the Primary Codex on the Reapers (via the Wiki): A myth common to several cultures in the galaxy, Reapers were once imagined as space monsters that consumed entire stars. Archeologists who searched for the sources of such myths found little besides the themes of all-consuming devils that are common to primitive cultures. Although accurate information about the Reapers remains scarce, the galaxy now knows that the Reapers are not a myth -- they are a real and devastating threat.

Edit: emphasis added

Modifié par FifthBeatle, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[TSA_383]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

The turret directly affects the convo with Liara about casualties. The better you do with the turret, the fewer casualties you have. Weird right?

and here I was thinking that was EMS related.

That's strange right there...

[paxxton]

FifthBeatle wrote...

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

From the Primary Codez on the Reapers (via the Wiki): A myth common to several cultures in the galaxy, Reapers were once imagined as space monsters that consumed entire stars. Archeologists who searched for the sources of such myths found little besides the themes of all-consuming devils that are common to primitive cultures.
Although accurate information about the Reapers remains scarce, the galaxy now knows that the Reapers are not a myth -- they are a real and devastating threat.

Exactly.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[paxxton]

That's why I didn't think what Garrus said was out of place.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TSA_383 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

The turret directly affects the convo with Liara about casualties. The better you do with the turret, the fewer casualties you have. Weird right?

and here I was thinking that was EMS related.

That's strange right there...

At first I thought it was too until someone with lower EMS than me had "No casualties" and I had "Not many more wounded." We quickly found out it wasn't EMS based. It's just weird on the level of Anderson's convo in the shuttle.

[masster blaster]

smokingotter1 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Everyone, he's a reminder on what we're fighting for. And what the 'Catalyst' stands for.

Resist.

youtu.be/LLqqGf4sBrE

(watch in full screen, HD, full volume/headset for full effect)

Hole crap the static that is coming from Sovergien is reminding me of the endings. red,gree,or blue static is all over the Reapers, but in Destroy at theend of Me3 looks like the same static/color it used to take out Sovrgiens sheilds.

Yep.

How I see it, is that Reapers see themselves as the ultimate dominating force over the galaxy. They are the masters of Synthesis (green, as shown also through Collectors and genetic manipulation), Control (blue, as shown through indoctrination, husks, and Illusive Man), and Destruction (red, as shown through their weaponry and

I believe that the Reapers have the benefit of TIME and EXPERIENCE when it comes to Synthesis and Control. We can't control them. We can't merge with them without losing everything we are. The EC endings are Shepard's wishful thinking, while being indoctrinated.

But we can destroy them. Time and time again now, we are shown that not just Shepard, but organics in general CAN destroy Reapers. We do in ME1 (one large one). We do in ME2 (human Reaper). We do in ME3 (two destroyers and one large one). The Turians have the Miracle of Palaven. While it is very unlikely we'll *win*, Destroy is the best method as it has been proven to WORK. Control has been shown to time and time again result in failure, and Synthesis was the complete domain of the Reapers.

(Sidenote: I believe Control might be possible, but its a big chance to take. I would love if 'real' endings resulted in:
-Destroy leading to the worst endings with Shepard dead dead or the best endings with Shepard alive and finishing the fight
-Control being a big gamble requiring large EMS and more, but being POSSIBLE, just very hard to get. In most cases, Shepard would simply become partially or fully indoctrinated, but in some cases, he would actually surprise the Reapers and surpass their will.
-Synthesis being the Reapers winning and indoctrinating Shepard fully, leading to rather interesting story stuff (reminding me of Revan killing his own teammates...)


I'm inclined to believe that the Catalyst is lying, and that the 'original organic race' actually willingly became Reapers, after reaching a technological point to facilitate the change. Leviathan is the first or the second Reaper, and Harbinger is the first successful one (by Reaper standards). Something like that.

So they oppress the organics not because of synthetics (in fact they seem neutral towards other synthetics, viewing them only as tools), but because they are the mirror raised up in front of them. The past they forcefully abandon. They attach onto the organic cycles because THEY are the parasites, and they wish ultimate synthesis only because it eliminates resistance in the former-organics.

They are children. (interestingly enough, looking at the Catalyst)

Yet sadly, it is far too late for them to be taught the error of their ways.

This. It's my believe that the decision chamber the reapers are inside Shepard's head and are weighing their options. The three options (or four if you include) presented are what the reapers are thinking they can do with Shepard.

Reaper options, your choice.
A. Let the reapers control you. Your efforts to control the reapers will fail.
B. Synthesis with reapers
C. If you insist on following Anderson's example the reapers will have no choice but to destroy you (unless you have a really high EMS)

or you can be stubborn and refuse to cooperate. The reapers can rest assured that you will stop trying and game over.

tl;dr All game over choices unless you have a high ems with destroy.

i have been saying that in Destroy after Shepard picks it Harbinger trys to go kill Shepard, but fails if you have high EMS. hence why we don't get the breath scene, with mid/low EMS.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I always considered that line to refer to the fact they are scared to death they might not make it out alive.

Well, yes. But you know how Garrus is, there's usually more than one way to interpret what he's trying to say and he probably means it in more than one way.

A few of the other FOB conversations felt like "premonitions" as well, especially when Shepard tells Vega that it's not neceessarily their last battle.

An aside, has that stupid turret been discussed much? I still can't figure out the point of the turret in FOB, it's so awkward to go from one emotionally ladden conversation to a short turret sequence to another emotional conversation. I just want to kick that stupid turret.

Dunno but if you're about to die you usually try to cheer yourself up by expressing hope. Hence what Shepard says to Vega.

By the by, aren't the Reapers refered to as "devils" somewhere (the Codex?)?

The turret directly affects the convo with Liara about casualties. The better you do with the turret, the fewer casualties you have. Weird right?

and here I was thinking that was EMS related.

That's strange right there...

At first I thought it was too until someone with lower EMS than me had "No casualties" and I had "Not many more wounded." We quickly found out it wasn't EMS based. It's just weird on the level of Anderson's convo in the shuttle.

Maybe Liara talked about the casualties from that plane which crashed after you shot the husks.

[Jadebaby]

hey people, been away from the forums for a couple of weeks, anything new happening in regards to IT?

The more time that goes by, the more I go from hating the ending with a passion, to hating the BioWare writers for destroying this trilogy with that deception level ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...
Maybe Liara talked about the casualties from that plane which crashed after you shot the husks.

What "plane"?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

hey people, been away from the forums for a couple of weeks, anything new happening in regards to IT?

The more time that goes by, the more I go from hating the ending with a passion, to hating the BioWare writers for destroying this trilogy with that deception level ending.

A few things. I don't really remember too well what. I'll repost my own thoughts if you want.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Maybe Liara talked about the casualties from that plane which crashed after you shot the husks.

What "plane"?

That flies above Shepard's head from the Conduit.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:43 .