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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

To also add to this form Bioware stated that the ending was not finished but rushed and the voice actor who played Garrus said that most of the fans have caught on the what happened at the end game.


I demand sources for these statements.




Second.


>clicked expecting Scruffy
>was not disappointed

Also, third


Look I found the Garrus actor tweeting  to Mac about the fans reaction on Tweeter.




Link or screen cap. or GTFO.

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Btw someone said the shadow of Shep never points to destroy: this is not true, the shadow is always cast with the closest light source in mind in that scene so as a result you can get this for example:
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DJBare wrote...

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Here is a thought, Anderson states the reapers use the beam to transport people "alive" and dead up to the citadel, firstly, how does Anderson know what the beam is doing and where it's going?, secondly and probably the most important, if the beam is transporting the living, where are they, why are Shepard and Anderson the only ones wandering about up there?


Are you posing that as a question to the face value context or to IT?

What we see at face value, if Anderson and Shepard survived the trip up the beam then other's should have also, to me this is more evidence that what we are seeing is not real.


I agree. Face value context has no answers to those questions. One could potentially argue that they had a lookout posted near the conduit to see what is going on at the site, but aside from that, Anderson would have no way of knowing what happens afterwards. 

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masster blaster wrote...

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Does anybody have a picture of the SR-1 Normandy when it's getting destroyed by the collectors and the SR-2 Normandy at the end of ME3 when it's in the relay field. That could be clue that the Normandy at the end of any choice was an image of Shepard remembering the collectors attacking the Normandy { Color explosions} and that is why most of the Normandy was destroyed at the end because when the Sr-1 blew up most of the breaches on the Normandy look the same as the collector attack on the SR-1.:happy:


I am seruios about this because just as the Normandy was getting destroy in ME2 most of the SR1 crew survived the explosion especailly JOKER. Joker the one who looks back just when Presily died in ME2 and now in ME3.

I posted the links in an earlier post.

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation but it's plausible judging from Liara's face on Illium. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 12:25 .


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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

To also add to this form Bioware stated that the ending was not finished but rushed and the voice actor who played Garrus said that most of the fans have caught on the what happened at the end game.


I demand sources for these statements.




Second.


>clicked expecting Scruffy
>was not disappointed

Also, third


Look I found the Garrus actor tweeting  to Mac about the fans reaction on Tweeter.


Brandon Keener isn't even on twitter bro...<_<

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paxxton wrote...

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


Wat.

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HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...
What we see at face value, if Anderson and Shepard survived the trip up the beam then other's should have also, to me this is more evidence that what we are seeing is not real.


I agree. Face value context has no answers to those questions. One could potentially argue that they had a lookout posted near the conduit to see what is going on at the site, but aside from that, Anderson would have no way of knowing what happens afterwards. 


I forgot to add:

But how does IT answer those questions, for that matter? Do we assume Anderson is undergoing indoctrination, or that the events in London are not actually taking place in reality?

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blooregard wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

To also add to this form Bioware stated that the ending was not finished but rushed and the voice actor who played Garrus said that most of the fans have caught on the what happened at the end game.


I demand sources for these statements.




Second.


>clicked expecting Scruffy
>was not disappointed

Also, third


Look I found the Garrus actor tweeting  to Mac about the fans reaction on Tweeter.




Link or screen cap. or GTFO.


Seriously, I hate misinformation.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Does anybody have a picture of the SR-1 Normandy when it's getting destroyed by the collectors and the SR-2 Normandy at the end of ME3 when it's in the relay field. That could be clue that the Normandy at the end of any choice was an image of Shepard remembering the collectors attacking the Normandy { Color explosions} and that is why most of the Normandy was destroyed at the end because when the Sr-1 blew up most of the breaches on the Normandy look the same as the collector attack on the SR-1.:happy:


I am seruios about this because just as the Normandy was getting destroy in ME2 most of the SR1 crew survived the explosion especailly JOKER. Joker the one who looks back just when Presily died in ME2 and now in ME3.

I posted the links in an earlier post.

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image




The thing I didn't understand is why kill Shepard? they could have boarded the Normandy and released seeker swarms and just take everyone. Instead they shoot down the Normandy and don't even bother with survivors or looking for Shepard's remains. If they wanted him so bad why have the Shadow Broker look for him

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Seriously, I hate misinformation.


Then why did you just quote pyramid the same misinformation twice in the same page....? :?

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HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



Seriously, I hate misinformation.


Then why did you just quote pyramid the same misinformation twice in the same page....? :?


To debunk it?

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Does anybody have a picture of the SR-1 Normandy when it's getting destroyed by the collectors and the SR-2 Normandy at the end of ME3 when it's in the relay field. That could be clue that the Normandy at the end of any choice was an image of Shepard remembering the collectors attacking the Normandy { Color explosions} and that is why most of the Normandy was destroyed at the end because when the Sr-1 blew up most of the breaches on the Normandy look the same as the collector attack on the SR-1.:happy:


I am seruios about this because just as the Normandy was getting destroy in ME2 most of the SR1 crew survived the explosion especailly JOKER. Joker the one who looks back just when Presily died in ME2 and now in ME3.

I posted the links in an earlier post.

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


No that's not what I mean. I was saying that IT in the Normandy sence at the end of ME3 makes sense because the Normandy is being chased by the color explosion just like the collectors in ME2. Both Normandys are moving in the same way they are trying to doge the collector beams, and now the color explosion.

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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Does anybody have a picture of the SR-1 Normandy when it's getting destroyed by the collectors and the SR-2 Normandy at the end of ME3 when it's in the relay field. That could be clue that the Normandy at the end of any choice was an image of Shepard remembering the collectors attacking the Normandy { Color explosions} and that is why most of the Normandy was destroyed at the end because when the Sr-1 blew up most of the breaches on the Normandy look the same as the collector attack on the SR-1.:happy:


I am seruios about this because just as the Normandy was getting destroy in ME2 most of the SR1 crew survived the explosion especailly JOKER. Joker the one who looks back just when Exo Presily died in ME2 and now in ME3, and look carefully at the markings on the Normandy on both Normandys they look the same where they where breached.

Joker doesn't look back, he looks to EDI, and does so only in Synthesis and Destroy.

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


I know, I just was referring to that there is only one movie for each color for the Relay/Normandy scene.


There are slight differences actually, as can be seen in the video I got that screen from.  Here it is.

There are no differences from the point where you see the Citadel firing from the distance as that is the point where all 3 use the same movie file (End03_LondonRedOutro.bik)

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HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



Seriously, I hate misinformation.


Then why did you just quote pyramid the same misinformation twice in the same page....? :?


Just to express what I wanted proof of.

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byne wrote...

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Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


Wat.

Oh, you know, that creepy look on her face. As if she was on drugs.

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blooregard wrote...



The thing I didn't understand is why kill Shepard? they could have boarded the Normandy and released seeker swarms and just take everyone. Instead they shoot down the Normandy and don't even bother with survivors or looking for Shepard's remains. If they wanted him so bad why have the Shadow Broker look for him


Are you implying the Lazarus project itself was a Reaper plot, or just that those events are poorly explained/written?

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


Wat.

Liara's eyes were boring-brown until LotSB.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


Wat.

Oh, you know, that creepy look at her face.


She never had a creepy look on her face for me.

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Never mind what I said about the Garrus thing I was so Tired when I found it 4:00 in the morning.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yes, and they all probably got captured and got indoctrinated. That's only speculation. But plausible judging from Liara's eyes on Illium. Posted Image


Wat.

Liara's eyes were boring-brown until LotSB.


Well, at first I kind of assumed thats what he meant, but wanted him to explain.

And now his explanation has made it pretty clear that it isnt what he was talking about at all.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

There are no differences from the point where you see the Citadel firing from the distance as that is the point where all 3 use the same movie file (End03_LondonRedOutro.bik)


That is not possible. You can plainly see there are differences from watching that youtube video, as well as playing through them yourself. 

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masster blaster wrote...

Never mind what I said about the Garrus thing I was so Tired when I found it 4:00 in the morning.


Right, because I never saw such a post and I keep a pretty sharp eye on it.

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HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...
What we see at face value, if Anderson and Shepard survived the trip up the beam then other's should have also, to me this is more evidence that what we are seeing is not real.


I agree. Face value context has no answers to those questions. One could potentially argue that they had a lookout posted near the conduit to see what is going on at the site, but aside from that, Anderson would have no way of knowing what happens afterwards. 


I forgot to add:

But how does IT answer those questions, for that matter? Do we assume Anderson is undergoing indoctrination, or that the events in London are not actually taking place in reality?




Its possible that the conduit in London may be similar to the one on Ilos transporting things to the citadel as a one way trip. (That would imply they there's been countless people sent to the Citadel even before it got to Earth.

Another possible explaination is it got moved as soon as you attacked TIM's base. Meaning that it could have very well been over Earth for a few hours before Shepard learned of it and Anderson had scouting parties check out what was going on.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Does anybody have a picture of the SR-1 Normandy when it's getting destroyed by the collectors and the SR-2 Normandy at the end of ME3 when it's in the relay field. That could be clue that the Normandy at the end of any choice was an image of Shepard remembering the collectors attacking the Normandy { Color explosions} and that is why most of the Normandy was destroyed at the end because when the Sr-1 blew up most of the breaches on the Normandy look the same as the collector attack on the SR-1.:happy:


I am seruios about this because just as the Normandy was getting destroy in ME2 most of the SR1 crew survived the explosion especailly JOKER. Joker the one who looks back just when Exo Presily died in ME2 and now in ME3, and look carefully at the markings on the Normandy on both Normandys they look the same where they where breached.

Joker doesn't look back, he looks to EDI, and does so only in Synthesis and Destroy.

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


I know, I just was referring to that there is only one movie for each color for the Relay/Normandy scene.


There are slight differences actually, as can be seen in the video I got that screen from.  Here it is.

There are no differences from the point where you see the Citadel firing from the distance as that is the point where all 3 use the same movie file (End03_LondonRedOutro.bik)


Joker does not look at EDI when Does it show at the end He looks at EDI if he wanted to all he had to do was look to his left or right but no he turned around and looked behind him.

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HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There are no differences from the point where you see the Citadel firing from the distance as that is the point where all 3 use the same movie file (End03_LondonRedOutro.bik)


That is not possible. You can plainly see there are differences from watching that youtube video, as well as playing through them yourself.

I can't see any differences in the YT video for any of the red versions.