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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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XanderLav wrote...

The way I understand IT, Shepard's final choices stand for either breaking free of indoctrination or falling for the trap of Reapers. Now, without reaveal and after ending DLC the war against reapers is not over, the story is untold and it's just as bad as literal view of the current ending.

I also understand that last moments of the game could be combination of the dream and reality, but I kind of like the first option better, there last moments od the game is a war of minds and wills.


I agree that the IT is a much more meaningful ending of the game. Though it would mean a lot of the end and the ending scenes lose meaning and potentially didn't happen. And I personally enjoyed my ending to ME3 with the highest EMS and destroy. Gave hope to the series. I refuse to believe that I can't have both and the idea of having a Waking Nightmare seems to satisfy both sides of my experiance in ME3. (My literalist and IT sides.) Though as BioWare said, they don't want to be prescriptive and leave it up for interpretation. So I could be wrong.

Either way I'm fine to the ending of ME3 and I hope BioWare can continue to provide great expansions to the game/deepen my playing experience.  

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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Why do you all play on PC >:(

We need more 360 ITersPosted Image


I wish I had a 360 copy, then I could join Hellish, Salient and Starbuck :crying:


I got 360, but I'm trapped without an internet connection to play MP for awhile. Still have yet to get the Earth DLC. Curse you internet and your limited areas of use!!!! <_<

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Why do you all play on PC >:(

We need more 360 ITersPosted Image


I wish I had a 360 copy, then I could join Hellish, Salient and Starbuck :crying:


I got 360, but I'm trapped without an internet connection to play MP for awhile. Still have yet to get the Earth DLC. Curse you internet and your limited areas of use!!!! <_<


Oh and Fellish too, but I only left him out because he's a loser. :P

I kid I kid.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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I finished the final draft on the Narration for Choose Wisely and I'm taking a SP trilogy break of clip capturing goodness to play some MP. Ping me on origin if anyone has an open slot.

Oh, and I noticed the countdown. Love the Arrival turnabout. I'd call that fair play. Suck it Reapers!


Hmm, will we be able to give it our own flair, or do you want us to read what is written?


You can modify as needed for ease of reading and clarity, and it will be reviewed. Just try not to go overboard. I tried to keep it simple, not make it necessary for people to use their Omni-Tool translators or an old school thesaurus. The narrative also needs to fit the visual segments and in game dialog cues. These can be adjusted, but Hellish may not like you if it gets out of hand.

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Alright, I'm going to bed. If I don't have a chance to talk in the morning, I'll be back in 3 days.

Goodbye!

Modifié par estebanus, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:26 .


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Starbuck8 pmed me about the London FOB QEC operator being the VA/model of the Requ. officer on the Normandy SR1 and one of the soldiers in the ending cinematic possibly being Jenkins.

I'm not sure if it was talked about much, but neither are true. The VA of the comm officer is not even close to the VA of the requisitions officer. They also don't look alike.

As for the soldier, not even close to looking like Jenkins and there is no VA to compare. He ME3 soldier just looks like a variation of all the London soldiers... one model with slight alterations of hair, eye, and skin color... and maybe a nose job here and there.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:30 .


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Does anyone have a list of the symptoms of the crew on the derelict reaper in ME2?

edit - never mind. I believe I have the main ones.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .


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Just going to say that improv is literally the best thing.

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Currently writing new entry in WNT. Currently need proof for evidence of Waking Nightmares occurring in the rest of the series and not just the ending of ME3. If anyone has anything that comes to mind that would be appreciated.

Things like seeing images that aren't there, or other occurences that symptoms of indoctrination has been shown.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:53 .


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So, what happens if you take a bunch of screenshots of the object rho "vision" from arrival?

Well:
http://imgur.com/a/02jSV

There's lots of places where there's 1-2 frames of various things - have a look!

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TSA_383 wrote...

So, what happens if you take a bunch of screenshots of the object rho "vision" from arrival?

Well:
http://imgur.com/a/02jSV

There's lots of places where there's 1-2 frames of various things - have a look!


Hmmm...for a majority of those it seems that behind the image it looks like the first pic of harbinger when you see him at the end of the game travelling towards the galaxy. So it is HE that they are focussing on in the screenshots. Interesting BioWare...

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Where'd everyone go?

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I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Modifié par TSA_383, 26 juillet 2012 - 01:13 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Currently writing new entry in WNT. Currently need proof for evidence of Waking Nightmares occurring in the rest of the series and not just the ending of ME3. If anyone has anything that comes to mind that would be appreciated.

Things like seeing images that aren't there, or other occurences that symptoms of indoctrination has been shown.


Hallucinations from the Cerberus scientists on board the Derelict Reaper.

"And hallucinations of ghostly presences."

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Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Currently writing new entry in WNT. Currently need proof for evidence of Waking Nightmares occurring in the rest of the series and not just the ending of ME3. If anyone has anything that comes to mind that would be appreciated.

Things like seeing images that aren't there, or other occurences that symptoms of indoctrination has been shown.


Hallucinations from the Cerberus scientists on board the Derelict Reaper.

"And hallucinations of ghostly presences."


Yes, I got that. If you want you can see the base post of the new entry. Also now in my signiture if you look.

Waking Nightmare Theory: Evidence

It's short, but as new proof comes in and there is more analysis I will edit it and add things. 

EDIT- It also gives people who support the WNT to have a chance to contribute proof and be active with the WNT instead of a quiet observer who has no input on things.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 26 juillet 2012 - 01:21 .


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Let's see then... similarities to locations we have already visted, strange and out of place re-use of thematic elements from earlier in the game (the Vancouver Husk/The London Husk) and Shep's delerium after the 3rd dream, indicating he was never asleep, and was in fact at his desk, hallucinating.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's see then... similarities to locations we have already visted, strange and out of place re-use of thematic elements from earlier in the game (the Vancouver Husk/The London Husk) and Shep's delerium after the 3rd dream, indicating he was never asleep, and was in fact at his desk, hallucinating.


Did you mean second dream?

When Shep wakes they have a datapad in hand that is powered off. They are actually sitting in the lounger by the coffee table oposite the couch.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's see then... similarities to locations we have already visted, strange and out of place re-use of thematic elements from earlier in the game (the Vancouver Husk/The London Husk) and Shep's delerium after the 3rd dream, indicating he was never asleep, and was in fact at his desk, hallucinating.


Hmmm....Still thinking if I should add the proof I have already stated in the original WNT to the Evidence entry. Should I? The first 3 of those I stated in the original, but the 3rd dream one is wrong. He woke up from dream after LI scene. Not at desk. (What happens if there is no LI??)

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TSA 383 wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...


Oh I didn't mean it wasn't productive now, just that back in the day the thread was so much more full of life and discussion. I meant no offense by it ^_^

And I do think everything in Arrival is extremely important to Mass Effect 3 because, if I'm not mistaken, it was the last thing the team made before Mass Effect 3, and is the last cronological event before Mass Effect 3 (atleast for Shepard). (Edit: fixed me destroying the quotes.)

Modifié par Gwyphon, 26 juillet 2012 - 01:29 .


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Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's see then... similarities to locations we have already visted, strange and out of place re-use of thematic elements from earlier in the game (the Vancouver Husk/The London Husk) and Shep's delerium after the 3rd dream, indicating he was never asleep, and was in fact at his desk, hallucinating.


Did you mean second dream?

When Shep wakes they have a datapad in hand that is powered off. They are actually sitting in the lounger by the coffee table oposite the couch.


Whoops

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Has anyone noticed that as we get closer to the SP endgame within MP that the difficulty levels have gotten a bit harder, evacs take longer (sans the penalty we just got.) and the Galactic Readiness has progressively dropped percentage points faster?

I can solo Bronze, but the enemy seems to be more numerous and a little tougher.

GR used to drop a point or two in 12 hours and no more than 3 in 24 hours. Now it can drop 3% in 8 hours... I haven't timed it exactly, but it definitely falls much faster than it did a few months ago.

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I have yet to play the Arrival DLC, but I plan to soon. Almost done with ME2 play-through. If there is anything interesting to it I will most likely add something to the Evidence entry.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Has anyone noticed that as we get closer to the SP endgame within MP that the difficulty levels have gotten a bit harder, evacs take longer (sans the penalty we just got.) and the Galactic Readiness has progressively dropped percentage points faster?

I can solo Bronze, but the enemy seems to be more numerous and a little tougher.

GR used to drop a point or two in 12 hours and no more than 3 in 24 hours. Now it can drop 3% in 8 hours... I haven't timed it exactly, but it definitely falls much faster than it did a few months ago.


Yeah I noticed that. Just probably compinsating with the number of increasing veterans to MP. Like how they added the Platinum difficulty. Or it could be an effect of the downloading of the new MP packs.

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TSA_383 wrote...

So, what happens if you take a bunch of screenshots of the object rho "vision" from arrival?

Well:
http://imgur.com/a/02jSV

There's lots of places where there's 1-2 frames of various things - have a look!


Nice catch and holy crap is that the control device thingy or did Harbinger put on some weight? That vision happens so fast, good to see some stills for analysis.