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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.

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UPDATE: New discussion topic in WN Theorists regarding WNT: Evidence. Please check it out and post!!!!

http://social.bioware.com/group/7586/ - Also in signature for link.

Otherwise I say good bye and I hope to get on tomarro. Seriously check out the link and post in the topic. All suggestions will be considered and appreciated!!! Please contribute!!!

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Gwyphon wrote...

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Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...


Oh I didn't mean it wasn't productive now, just that back in the day the thread was so much more full of life and discussion. I meant no offense by it ^_^

And I do think everything in Arrival is extremely important to Mass Effect 3 because, if I'm not mistaken, it was the last thing the team made before Mass Effect 3, and is the last cronological event before Mass Effect 3 (atleast for Shepard). (Edit: fixed me destroying the quotes.)

They actually made it whilst ME3 was already in production ;)

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So, what happens if you take a bunch of screenshots of the object rho "vision" from arrival?

Well:
http://imgur.com/a/02jSV

There's lots of places where there's 1-2 frames of various things - have a look!


Nice catch and holy crap is that the control device thingy or did Harbinger put on some weight? That vision happens so fast, good to see some stills for analysis. 

 
I'm not sure, this is just off a 720p youtube clip - if someone's got a better quality copy we might be able to see more...

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Has anyone noticed that as we get closer to the SP endgame within MP that the difficulty levels have gotten a bit harder, evacs take longer (sans the penalty we just got.) and the Galactic Readiness has progressively dropped percentage points faster?

I can solo Bronze, but the enemy seems to be more numerous and a little tougher.

GR used to drop a point or two in 12 hours and no more than 3 in 24 hours. Now it can drop 3% in 8 hours... I haven't timed it exactly, but it definitely falls much faster than it did a few months ago.

 
I've never reached 100% :blush:

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SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Completely agree. They have stated though (yes, Bioware themselves) that it is definately cannon. It's also the last time in the series you speak to Harbinger who can be argued to be the main villain of the series. Unless of course you consider that to be indoctrination itself ;)

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TSA_383 wrote...

They actually made it whilst ME3 was already in production ;)


Well in that case we can pretty much consider it the direct prelude to Mass Effect 3, with continuation of themes and enemies, which strangely only remains if you consider indoctrination to be the major theme of the series.

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SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Uh NO. Mass Effect is Mac Walter's first major Mass Effect work, he was a writer on the team.

Mac Walters was LEAD writer for the first time wth The Arrival.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Uh NO. Mass Effect is Mac Walter's first major Mass Effect work, he was a writer on the team.

Mac Walters was LEAD writer for the first time wth The Arrival.


I think that's what he meant, or atleast that's what I thought he meant. His point remains though, it's the first time he had the ability to fully direct the themes of the series, which just happens to be when the indoctrinated became the major enemy.

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Gwyphon wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Completely agree. They have stated though (yes, Bioware themselves) that it is definately cannon. It's also the last time in the series you speak to Harbinger who can be argued to be the main villain of the series. Unless of course you consider that to be indoctrination itself ;)


Main Antagonists.

ME1 = Saren + Sovereign + Indoctrination

ME2 = TIM (Trusting enemies) + Harbinger + Indoctrination

ME3 = Indoctrination + eventually a fleet of Reapers give or take a few.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 26 juillet 2012 - 02:06 .


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Turbo_J wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Completely agree. They have stated though (yes, Bioware themselves) that it is definately cannon. It's also the last time in the series you speak to Harbinger who can be argued to be the main villain of the series. Unless of course you consider that to be indoctrination itself ;)

Main Antagonists.

ME1 = Saren + Sovereign + Indoctrination

ME2 = TIM (Trusting enemies) + Harbinger + Indoctrination

ME3 = Indoctrination + eventually a fleet of Reapers give or take a few.

*whistles*

Modifié par Simon_Says, 26 juillet 2012 - 02:08 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Uh NO. Mass Effect is Mac Walter's first major Mass Effect work, he was a writer on the team.

Mac Walters was LEAD writer for the first time wth The Arrival.



...um, that's exactly what I meant. That Arrival is where he has likely had the most say, for the first time.

ME2 feels like a joint Drew/Mac (etc) work, where Arrival does not.

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Oh. Alright then. Just making things clear, I get annoyed by the implication that Mac has no idea what he's doing due to inexperience.

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Look at Arian go all "NUH-UH" on SwobyJ. :D

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Turbo_J wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Arrival is Mac Walters' first major Mass Effect work and I would consider it directly relating to Mass Effect 3. (basically the redirection from their dark energy plotline... to something else that Mac instead intends)

It's a major piece that encourages the idea of indoctrination on Shepard, whether people say "Well it was optional non-canon DLC!" or not.


Completely agree. They have stated though (yes, Bioware themselves) that it is definately cannon. It's also the last time in the series you speak to Harbinger who can be argued to be the main villain of the series. Unless of course you consider that to be indoctrination itself ;)


Main Antagonists.

ME1 = Saren + Sovereign + Indoctrination

ME2 = TIM (Trusting enemies) + Harbinger + Indoctrination

ME3 = Indoctrination + eventually a fleet of Reapers give or take a few.


...Choose Wisely is SUCH a good video and inspires me about this series every time I see it.

My whole stance on Mass Effect is 'fingers crossed' now. They better not truly think that synthetics vs organics or even dark energy are satisfactory plot devices for a series that had the progression it has had thus far.

Fear is the enemy. Indoctrination is the enemy. Reapers are the enemy.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh. Alright then. Just making things clear, I get annoyed by the implication that Mac has no idea what he's doing due to inexperience.


Me too. I hope you don't think I'm of that stance.

I think he has capable as well as possibly has some interesting ideas we are not privy to yet. He has his Psych degree after all... (twitter.com/macwalterslives/status/132623780718706691)

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Indeed.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Why do you all play on PC >:(

We need more 360 ITersPosted Image


I wish I had a 360 copy, then I could join Hellish, Salient and Starbuck :crying:


I got 360, but I'm trapped without an internet connection to play MP for awhile. Still have yet to get the Earth DLC. Curse you internet and your limited areas of use!!!! <_<


Oh and Fellish too, but I only left him out because he's a loser. :P

I kid I kid.


We do too Arian! You know you could always join in a party chat with us, even if you can't get in a game UNTIL you get yourself a copy for xbox ;)

Oh and I'm telling Fellish. :lol:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Why do you all play on PC >:(

We need more 360 ITersPosted Image


I wish I had a 360 copy, then I could join Hellish, Salient and Starbuck :crying:

Im 360... i feel unloved.

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Dafuq! Looks like I'm gonna have to get back in this thread so people will love me again. Especially Arian. You. Will. Love. Me.

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zigamortis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Why do you all play on PC >:(

We need more 360 ITersPosted Image


I wish I had a 360 copy, then I could join Hellish, Salient and Starbuck :crying:

Im 360... i feel unloved.


Pretty sure there's a thread in the IT discussion group for PC and 360 gamer IDs. There's definitely one for PC, haven't looked for a 360 thread.

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Way to go gunslinger. You killed the thread.

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lol Someone killed it. I want some lvl 20 N7s ready for the weekend so I'm busy leveling all my MP classes and jacking up my N7 rating. I doubled it in about a week or so. Pretty easy to do when you have 2 mill creds to spend.

On a side note I've got 1950 EMS from N7 alone now.

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This weekend is just going to rub in that everyone has at least one N7 character but me. It hurts... So much.

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Gwyphon wrote...

This weekend is just going to rub in that everyone has at least one N7 character but me. It hurts... So much.


Play as much silver and gold as you can and save the coin. As soon as you have half a million or so, buy specter packs. I got 4 of the 6 N7s in 10 minutes with 1.5 million creds. I spent maybe 700K to get the N7s and blew the rest on supplies.

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Gwyphon wrote...

This weekend is just going to rub in that everyone has at least one N7 character but me. It hurts... So much.

If it's anything, I've now spent 800000 credits on premium spectre packs since the earth multiplayer DLC and I don't have one yet.

Do you at least have a Reegar?

I maintain that we should, for laughs, try Cerberus Gold, with a team consisting of four Vorcha Soldiers/Sentinels with Reegar Carbines.
It'd be like GhostPhantombusters.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

This weekend is just going to rub in that everyone has at least one N7 character but me. It hurts... So much.


Play as much silver and gold as you can and save the coin. As soon as you have half a million or so, buy specter packs. I got 4 of the 6 N7s in 10 minutes with 1.5 million creds. I spent maybe 700K to get the N7s and blew the rest on supplies.


I spent 1.8 million on spectre packs when the update came out and just got the weapons and a hell of alot of old character cards. I died a little inside.

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Do you at least have a Reegar?

I
maintain that we should, for laughs, try Cerberus Gold, with a team
consisting of four Vorcha Soldiers/Sentinels with Reegar Carbines.
It'd be like GhostPhantombusters.


I have a reeger V bug I tend to play alot of casters (engineers and biotics) so it doesn't mean much to me. I got 2 talons which I wanted for soo long but I couldn't help but feel al ittle mad at the same time... :unsure:

Modifié par Gwyphon, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .