Hey everyone! I think I've found an indication of what the Reapers are actually doing with the Citadel and how it ties in to what they are actually trying to indoctrinate Shepard to do. This is going to be long so skip to the end of this post if you want to see what I'm proposing. To see what might be going on, let's look at the Reaper's possible motivations for bringing the Citadel to Earth.
Anderson states that the beam is being used to transport people to the station. Also, you see bodies on the Citadel when Shepard arrives (I believe this stage is partially real, the "reboot" sound in the EC indicates to me that this is where the indoctrination effects really start to take place.) There is a huge question concerning all of this: Why are the Reapers taking organic material to the Citadel?
I believe that the answer to this question might be the reason that Cerberus was interested in the Citadel. There is *something* there that interests both the Reapers and Cerberus, something other than the station being a master relay control. It's a promising enough prospect that the Reapers choose not to use the Citadel to lock down the Relays and isolate the allied fleets. And, given what the Reapers are using the beam for, the use of this mystery quality probably requires organic material.
The Reapers also only made their move once TIM alerted them of the Crucible's imminent completion. This new rush to get bodies onto the Citadel seems to be in anticipation of the Crucible's arrival and not to stop it. The Crucible seems to be involved with their plan.
Now we can discuss the Catalyst decision room, where indoctrination is in full swing and the behavior of the Catalyst actually starts to make more sense. For example, the Catalyst in the low EMS situations always sounds annoyed. This is precisely because the Crucible is not effective enough to fulfill the purpose the Reaper's want it for. The Catalyst only bothers to guide Shepard down the path his decisions have endorsed up to this point. Shep becomes indoctrinated or dies free.
In high EMS scenarios, the Catalyst has the option of using the Crucible-Catalyst system for what they want it for. We still have the options to break free or become an indoctrinated slave but a new path has opened up. Synthesis: a fusion of not all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy but of the human organic material inside the Citadel with...something. Shepard's DNA has been sought by the Reapers since ME 2 and it is for this Citadel-Crucible project that they decide they want to cash in.
In conclusion, I'm going to guess at what, exactly, is in the Citadel. From these details:
1) The Catalyst is an AI that directs all Reapers
2) Cerberus wanted access with the Citadel for *something* there before they knew that the Catalyst resided there
3) The Reapers see the Crucible-Catalyst system as worth any losses they might take against a galactic allied fleet
4) What lurks in the Citadel requires a large power source and organic material to activate
The only thing that can best fit all of these criteria is: a Mega-Reaper. This Mega-Reaper would embody the leadership of all Reapers and have the power to control the mass relays. By doing so, it could potentially focus immense amounts of dark energy on anything that opposes it. I think that this is the Reaper's ideal solution: the ideal form by which the Catalyst feels it could control the evolution of all life. It can assume direct control and no longer need to impose an extinction cycle on the galaxy.
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
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#53527
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:13
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not really a IT vid but I'm just to use to posting them here.
presenting
mass effect 3 Adventure of the Normandy -episode- Shepard Vs the AI
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presenting
mass effect 3 Adventure of the Normandy -episode- Shepard Vs the AI
www.youtube.com/watch
#53528
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:14
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Question: Does anyone know the post-EC EMS requirement to get the breath scene?
#53529
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:15
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byne wrote...
Question: Does anyone know the post-EC EMS requirement to get the breath scene?
Not 100% sure but I heard it was 3200
#53530
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:16
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So what's going on in here? Anything interesting?
#53531
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:17
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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
So what's going on in here? Anything interesting?
I just posted something I think is interesting a few posts above this one
#53532
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:19
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JasonSic wrote...
byne wrote...
Question: Does anyone know the post-EC EMS requirement to get the breath scene?
Not 100% sure but I heard it was 3200
Damn, if thats true I already have enough EMS to beat the Reapers and live and I havent done any scanning or even talked with the quarians yet
#53533
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:23
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byne wrote...
JasonSic wrote...
byne wrote...
Question: Does anyone know the post-EC EMS requirement to get the breath scene?
Not 100% sure but I heard it was 3200
Damn, if thats true I already have enough EMS to beat the Reapers and live and I havent done any scanning or even talked with the quarians yet
And I think that was the point. To make it easier to get the scene without multiplayer.
#53534
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:25
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TheConstantOne wrote...
Hey everyone! I think I've found an indication of what the Reapers are actually doing with the Citadel and how it ties in to what they are actually trying to indoctrinate Shepard to do. This is going to be long so skip to the end of this post if you want to see what I'm proposing. To see what might be going on, let's look at the Reaper's possible motivations for bringing the Citadel to Earth.
Anderson states that the beam is being used to transport people to the station. Also, you see bodies on the Citadel when Shepard arrives (I believe this stage is partially real, the "reboot" sound in the EC indicates to me that this is where the indoctrination effects really start to take place.) There is a huge question concerning all of this: Why are the Reapers taking organic material to the Citadel?
I believe that the answer to this question might be the reason that Cerberus was interested in the Citadel. There is *something* there that interests both the Reapers and Cerberus, something other than the station being a master relay control. It's a promising enough prospect that the Reapers choose not to use the Citadel to lock down the Relays and isolate the allied fleets. And, given what the Reapers are using the beam for, the use of this mystery quality probably requires organic material.
The Reapers also only made their move once TIM alerted them of the Crucible's imminent completion. This new rush to get bodies onto the Citadel seems to be in anticipation of the Crucible's arrival and not to stop it. The Crucible seems to be involved with their plan.
Now we can discuss the Catalyst decision room, where indoctrination is in full swing and the behavior of the Catalyst actually starts to make more sense. For example, the Catalyst in the low EMS situations always sounds annoyed. This is precisely because the Crucible is not effective enough to fulfill the purpose the Reaper's want it for. The Catalyst only bothers to guide Shepard down the path his decisions have endorsed up to this point. Shep becomes indoctrinated or dies free.
In high EMS scenarios, the Catalyst has the option of using the Crucible-Catalyst system for what they want it for. We still have the options to break free or become an indoctrinated slave but a new path has opened up. Synthesis: a fusion of not all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy but of the human organic material inside the Citadel with...something. Shepard's DNA has been sought by the Reapers since ME 2 and it is for this Citadel-Crucible project that they decide they want to cash in.
In conclusion, I'm going to guess at what, exactly, is in the Citadel. From these details:
1) The Catalyst is an AI that directs all Reapers
2) Cerberus wanted access with the Citadel for *something* there before they knew that the Catalyst resided there
3) The Reapers see the Crucible-Catalyst system as worth any losses they might take against a galactic allied fleet
4) What lurks in the Citadel requires a large power source and organic material to activate
The only thing that can best fit all of these criteria is: a Mega-Reaper. This Mega-Reaper would embody the leadership of all Reapers and have the power to control the mass relays. By doing so, it could potentially focus immense amounts of dark energy on anything that opposes it. I think that this is the Reaper's ideal solution: the ideal form by which the Catalyst feels it could control the evolution of all life. It can assume direct control and no longer need to impose an extinction cycle on the galaxy.
Could be. We're just so in the dark on what exactly TIM knew about the situation.
#53535
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:29
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SwobyJ wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
In conclusion, I'm going to guess at what, exactly, is in the Citadel. From these details:
1) The Catalyst is an AI that directs all Reapers
2) Cerberus wanted access with the Citadel for *something* there before they knew that the Catalyst resided there
3) The Reapers see the Crucible-Catalyst system as worth any losses they might take against a galactic allied fleet
4) What lurks in the Citadel requires a large power source and organic material to activate
The only thing that can best fit all of these criteria is: a Mega-Reaper. This Mega-Reaper would embody the leadership of all Reapers and have the power to control the mass relays. By doing so, it could potentially focus immense amounts of dark energy on anything that opposes it. I think that this is the Reaper's ideal solution: the ideal form by which the Catalyst feels it could control the evolution of all life. It can assume direct control and no longer need to impose an extinction cycle on the galaxy.
Could be. We're just so in the dark on what exactly TIM knew about the situation.
Agreed. This just seems like such a huge plot point and isn't touched upon at all. Or, if it is, it was an extremely subtle mention
#53536
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:34
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Dafuq! Looks like I'm gonna have to get back in this thread so people will love me again. Especially Arian. You. Will. Love. Me.
Why did I picture a huge hulking man in a prison outfit when you said that?
"I'm gonna **** you till you love me boy."
#53537
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:53
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Hmm... Do I play ME3 multiplayer? Or enjoy a Total War:Shogun 2 campaign? Decisions decisions.
#53538
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 05:09
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Arian Dynas wrote...
Hmm... Do I play ME3 multiplayer? Or enjoy a Total War:Shogun 2 campaign? Decisions decisions.
Play the hell out of the vastly harder ME3 multiplayer until the singleplayer seems like a sight seeing tour.
#53539
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 05:23
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It already does.
I kicked ass at single player and could blow most troubles even on the hardest setting (grenades are a nightmare on that one btw) Multiplayer is merely more difficult in that I am forced to rely on reflexes and denied my time to think.
I kicked ass at single player and could blow most troubles even on the hardest setting (grenades are a nightmare on that one btw) Multiplayer is merely more difficult in that I am forced to rely on reflexes and denied my time to think.
#53541
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 06:33
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Well, I'm playing ME3 through again, and earlier Javik said something about the Reapers having great deception, and letting organics think they are the masters of the cosmos for hundreds of years before showing that monsters hide in the darkness.
Kinda seems to be what godchild is doing. Letting Shepard think she is the master of the cosmos and giving her three choices that will alter the galaxy as we know it.
Its grasping at straws, but you demanded speculations, and I wasnt prepared with anything better!
Kinda seems to be what godchild is doing. Letting Shepard think she is the master of the cosmos and giving her three choices that will alter the galaxy as we know it.
Its grasping at straws, but you demanded speculations, and I wasnt prepared with anything better!
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#53542
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 06:45
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I will dump some quotes in here for speculation purposes...
Ashely: How can you fight something that can worm its way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know. But we don't have a choice.
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James: It’s… not right. It looks pretty. Calm and peaceful. But it’s not right. It’s all just an illusion.
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James: They’d rather believe in this than face the truth.
Shepard: I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything on Earth was some kind of nightmare.
James: Yeah. That’s what I hate most. It’s like this place wants you to forget that.
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Anderson: None of them have seen what you’ve seen. We’ve all reviewed the reports, seen the data you’ve collected. But it’s all just theory to us.
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Shepard: We did present them with a lot of unknowns. They’re feeling threatened and want immediate solutions, not theories.
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Garrus: But my father just listened. It’s what he did in his days at C-Sec, putting together all the pieces. If the connections were there, he wouldn’t deny them. And he saw what we always knew.
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Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what’s going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.
Shepard: We have to believe we can do something.
Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I’m telling you. But when you came back, I was ready to believe in anything. I mean, maybe this problem can’t be solved by some grunts shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I’m game.
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Garrus: What about you? I’m starting to see some wear and tear.
Shepard: I won’t lie – It’s been rough.
Garrus: Well don’t forget to come up for air.
Ashely: How can you fight something that can worm its way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know. But we don't have a choice.
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James: It’s… not right. It looks pretty. Calm and peaceful. But it’s not right. It’s all just an illusion.
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James: They’d rather believe in this than face the truth.
Shepard: I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything on Earth was some kind of nightmare.
James: Yeah. That’s what I hate most. It’s like this place wants you to forget that.
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Anderson: None of them have seen what you’ve seen. We’ve all reviewed the reports, seen the data you’ve collected. But it’s all just theory to us.
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Shepard: We did present them with a lot of unknowns. They’re feeling threatened and want immediate solutions, not theories.
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Garrus: But my father just listened. It’s what he did in his days at C-Sec, putting together all the pieces. If the connections were there, he wouldn’t deny them. And he saw what we always knew.
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Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what’s going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.
Shepard: We have to believe we can do something.
Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I’m telling you. But when you came back, I was ready to believe in anything. I mean, maybe this problem can’t be solved by some grunts shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I’m game.
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Garrus: What about you? I’m starting to see some wear and tear.
Shepard: I won’t lie – It’s been rough.
Garrus: Well don’t forget to come up for air.
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#53543
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 07:01
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Very nice.
*offer's Byne a comforting hug*
*offer's Byne a comforting hug*
#53547
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 08:18
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Arian Dynas wrote...
*gives Rosewind a hug too*
#53548
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 08:30
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Oh, and because I *love* you all so much, something especially horrible for all of you;
#53549
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 08:44
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hahah yeah that comic makes him look creepy lol
#53550
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 09:12
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The canon ending is already pretty much set:estebanus wrote...
I just created a poll about a possible canon-ending for the next ME sequel (That is, if there ever will be one). You might want to check it out!
Here's the link: http://social.biowar...77/polls/37378/
red, either bad or vaporization ending
