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MegumiAzusa

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TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Uhm just use the bink player and play them at 1 fps ;)
let me do that for you...

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .


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We keep mentioning the citadels eerie calming effect, so I'm gonna add that maybe that's why the council is so dang unhelpful. The citadel won't let them take the reapers seriously.

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Something that occurred to me, finally watching that trailer.

If the Reapers are meant to be "misunderstood villains" they why are they continuing to be cast and portrayed in such a negative light everywhere we see them?

The Earth Trailer gives this badass feeling of lone heroes fighting off the monsters just beyond the edges of human sanity, then how does that mesh with the feeling they are trying to give in the last 5 minutes?

Why bother continuing to portray them as villains?

No reason, unless they still are.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I just created a poll about a possible canon-ending for the next ME sequel (That is, if there ever will be one). You might want to check it out!

Here's the link: http://social.biowar...77/polls/37378/

The canon ending is already pretty much set:
red, either bad or vaporization ending


Oh god, comparing the endings on their moral values...

It seems to me, that just like Anderson's and Shepard's emotionally ambiguous "I was born in London" line, the endings are also designed in such a way that none is ideal (which is of course the way of the universe), but why are they so increadibly dark. It's not three shades of grey but rather three shades of black. :sick:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Something that occurred to me, finally watching that trailer.

If the Reapers are meant to be "misunderstood villains" they why are they continuing to be cast and portrayed in such a negative light everywhere we see them?

The Earth Trailer gives this badass feeling of lone heroes fighting off the monsters just beyond the edges of human sanity, then how does that mesh with the feeling they are trying to give in the last 5 minutes?

Why bother continuing to portray them as villains?

No reason, unless they still are.


In general the attempt to paint them as "misunderstood villians" made me cringe.

The Reapers have been systematically wiping out organics for at least a billion years and now they try to tell me it was justified in some weird way, that it was to create...peace...to preserve?

I understand the need or reason behind giving villians an understandable goal, but there is a huge leap between that and giving them a justifiable goal.

I would have been fine with it just beeing their reproductive cycle or a simply that the Reapers sees themselves as ascending others (similar to what you said) that would be understandable, but would not make them any less villians by trying to give some bull**** excuse of it beeing necesary.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Uhm just use the bink player and play them at 1 fps ;)
let me do that for you...

http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/
60 frames (7MB)

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .


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Gwyphon

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Uhm just use the bink player and play them at 1 fps ;)
let me do that for you...

http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...


Nice! You can make out Ashley and TIM's face pretty clearly there. And is that Eden Prime? Can't seem to think of areason that would be in there. They also seem to feature Harbinger ALOT. These visions that is, and it never really came to anything...

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
In general the attempt to paint them as "misunderstood villians" made me cringe.

I prefer to think of them as slaves, I think there is a reaper that's a real villian controlling all other reapers, is it Harbinger?, I don't know, but we do know the original race were converted to reapers against their will(assuming the kid is telling the truth at that point), they take the essence of a race and store it in reaper form, think of that for a moment, the "essence" of a race.
But the most perplexing question to me, is why store it?, what's the future plan for that stored dna?

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Gwyphon wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Uhm just use the bink player and play them at 1 fps ;)
let me do that for you...

http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...


Nice! You can make out Ashley and TIM's face pretty clearly there. And is that Eden Prime? Can't seem to think of areason that would be in there. They also seem to feature Harbinger ALOT. These visions that is, and it never really came to anything...

It also features Nazara and Ilos. (frame 45 for example)

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...


Nice! You can make out Ashley and TIM's face pretty clearly there. And is that Eden Prime? Can't seem to think of areason that would be in there. They also seem to feature Harbinger ALOT. These visions that is, and it never really came to anything...

It also features Nazara and Ilos. (frame 45 for example)


Intriguing. I'd love to see the same for the one when you run out of time and fail Arrival.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:54 .


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Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real

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CoolioThane wrote...

Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real


That's one of the most obvious parts of the theory. Otherwise that kid would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.

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AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real


That's one of the most obvious parts of the theory. Otherwise that kid would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.


And also would give Shepard a survive laser beam shot to face for his money.
Or something alongside this words -_-

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AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real


That's one of the most obvious parts of the theory. Otherwise that kid would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.


Wouldn't say obvious, there are still some in denial, but definitely the oddest part of the Child. The dissappearing part.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real


That's one of the most obvious parts of the theory. Otherwise that kid would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.


Wouldn't say obvious, there are still some in denial, but definitely the oddest part of the Child. The dissappearing part.


The fact that he would have ran all the way from the top of the building you see him at first all the way to the top of the building you see him in the vent was pretty obvious to me that something silly was up before I even knew about the theory.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Last night was slooooow, eh?

Decided the kid in the vent was definitely not real


That's one of the most obvious parts of the theory. Otherwise that kid would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.


Wouldn't say obvious, there are still some in denial, but definitely the oddest part of the Child. The dissappearing part.


If this were a movie would there even be any doubt that the way it is presented, the kid is just in Shep's imagination?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/
60 frames (7MB)

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...


Nice! You can make out Ashley and TIM's face pretty clearly there. And is that Eden Prime? Can't seem to think of areason that would be in there. They also seem to feature Harbinger ALOT. These visions that is, and it never really came to anything...

It also features Nazara and Ilos. (frame 45 for example)


Intriguing. I'd love to see the same for the one when you run out of time and fail Arrival.

http://thundermods.n...v_Flash_marker/
285 frames (30MB)


seriously every time I click on the Submit button to post I think it would be kinda funny if it was called "Submit now" :D

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where'd everyone go?

There are a lot of Germans in this thread - it's 3am there now and 2am here :lol:

Gwyphon wrote...

I was reading through the page and I was like "Oh wow this is strangely on topic and constructive."
Turns out I hit the wrong button and was on page 2 instead of page 2140... =]

 
Hey! I posted the vision from arrival which shows Harbinger and Shepard's helmet and possibly the beam from london ;)
Need to go back and record it with fraps, those images are a bit blurry...

Uhm just use the bink player and play them at 1 fps ;)
let me do that for you...

http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...

Wow thankyou!

Would be interesting to see the long one to see how much is similar... They still have your squadmates looking up to Harbinger on what seems to be the citadel...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh, and because I *love* you all so much, something especially horrible for all of you;

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Reminds me of this:
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#53569
Gwyphon

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
http://thundermods.n...Arv_FlashRelay/
60 frames (7MB)

I could also do that for the bit longer version when you reach the 0 mark...


Nice! You can make out Ashley and TIM's face pretty clearly there. And is that Eden Prime? Can't seem to think of areason that would be in there. They also seem to feature Harbinger ALOT. These visions that is, and it never really came to anything...

It also features Nazara and Ilos. (frame 45 for example)


Intriguing. I'd love to see the same for the one when you run out of time and fail Arrival.

http://thundermods.n...v_Flash_marker/
285 frames (30MB)


seriously every time I click on the Submit button to post I think it would be kinda funny if it was called "Submit now" :D


Thanks!  Really appreciate it! ^_^ I'm going to look through them now.

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TSA_383 wrote...

your squadmates looking up to Harbinger on what seems to be the citadel...

It's Illium, the only Reaper on the Citadel is the one having a shooting fest in front of Anderson.

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That guy standing there as the reaper walks through the citadel in those screens is definitely Udina.

Edit: Around screen 112 where you can see the side of his face. Pretty sure it's Udina. I have been known to be wrong though.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

http://thundermods.n...v_Flash_marker/
285 frames (30MB)


seriously every time I click on the Submit button to post I think it would be kinda funny if it was called "Submit now" :D


Hey, now there's a good view of that one Reaper class we haven't seen yet:

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Modifié par MaximizedAction, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .


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Gwyphon wrote...

That guy standing there as the reaper walks through the citadel in those screens is definitely Udina.

Edit: Around screen 112 where you can see the side of his face. Pretty sure it's Udina. I have been known to be wrong though.

In my opinion it's Anderson, Udina dresses in white.

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Screen 145: If that is Anderson, isn't it awfully reminiscent of the vision you get of Anderson for the destroy ending.

Screen 162: What exactly am I looking at here?
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Modifié par Gwyphon, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:09 .


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Gwyphon wrote...

Screen 145: If that is Anderson, isn't it awfully reminiscent of the vision you get of Anderson for the destroy ending.

Yes, the explosion and the shielding of the head with the hand, it also reminds one of being hit by Harbinger.

Gwyphon wrote...

Screen 162: What exactly am I looking at here?

That's from the ME2 outro where you see the Reaper fleet in motion closing in on the Milky Way. And yes the Anderson or Udina overlay looks interesting.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:11 .