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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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As it has mechanisms to allow Shepard's survival, then yes.


I doubt any of those mechanims in the unused back area where no organic has been before (according to mister Catalyst).

Also it can be boiled down really fast. The area Shepard is standing in is open to Space aka there must be Mass Effect Fields keeping the air inside the area. However Mass Effect Fields are gonna do absolutely nothing to the heat wave hitting Shepard and considering the size of the explosion and Shepards proximity (litterally within the blast radius) then taking into account the state of Shepards armor we are going to end up with the suprising conclusion of Shepard beeing utterly vapoized.

Off course that is after he survives a wave of energy with force enough to push around Reapers and debris in the space around it and a smaller explosion directly to the face before that. If he somehow survives that he also has to have been so extremely lucky as to the Mass Effect Fields beeing intact so he is not exposed to vacuum...



I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical

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Do you ever get the feeling that we have to go back to illos in ME3, for something that Vigil did not mention to Shepard the first time they meet? or maybe some Protheans could have survived, that Vigil was not informed of. I am just saying because Javik was on Eden Prime, and we did not know that there was a Prothean there on Eden Prime, so maybe.

Vigil broke shortly after its talk with you.


Well yes, but maybe there is a way to fix Vigil, or maybe we can salvage it's memory core basse and recreate Vigil in a new ai, or vi form. just saying. And if you have Javik with you it would be nice to take him to illos to show him that after the War is over, maybe you can start over here.


What if we do have to go back to illos, in order to get In the Citadel, if the Conduit is an Idoctrination devise? And Shepard has to leave the battle to go back to illos, and go use the Conduit on Illos. Bioware never said that Conduit on Illos is broken, or the relay inside the Citadel, was taken out, so maybe there is a way to get on the Citadel after all, if the Conduit on Earth is not a Conduit at all.

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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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masster blaster wrote...

Do you ever get the feeling that we have to go back to illos in ME3, for something that Vigil did not mention to Shepard the first time they meet? or maybe some Protheans could have survived, that Vigil was not informed of. I am just saying because Javik was on Eden Prime, and we did not know that there was a Prothean there on Eden Prime, so maybe.

Vigil broke shortly after its talk with you.


Well yes, but maybe there is a way to fix Vigil, or maybe we can salvage it's memory core basse and recreate Vigil in a new ai, or vi form. just saying. And if you have Javik with you it would be nice to take him to illos to show him that after the War is over, maybe you can start over here.


What if we do have to go back to illos, in order to get In the Citadel, if the Conduit is an Idoctrination devise? And Shepard has to leave the battle to go back to illos, and go use the Conduit on Illos. Bioware never said that Conduit on Illos is broken, or the relay inside the Citadel, was taken out, so maybe there is a way to get on the Citadel after all, if the Conduit on Earth is not a Conduit at all.

Seeing Ilos again? I wonder what has changed there? It'd make sense if there's no other way to get to the Citadel because it's heavily guarded by the Reapers.

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Hallucination? I wish I hallucinated the ending and the real one would eventually start.

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SubAstris wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As it has mechanisms to allow Shepard's survival, then yes.


I doubt any of those mechanims in the unused back area where no organic has been before (according to mister Catalyst).

Also it can be boiled down really fast. The area Shepard is standing in is open to Space aka there must be Mass Effect Fields keeping the air inside the area. However Mass Effect Fields are gonna do absolutely nothing to the heat wave hitting Shepard and considering the size of the explosion and Shepards proximity (litterally within the blast radius) then taking into account the state of Shepards armor we are going to end up with the suprising conclusion of Shepard beeing utterly vapoized.

Off course that is after he survives a wave of energy with force enough to push around Reapers and debris in the space around it and a smaller explosion directly to the face before that. If he somehow survives that he also has to have been so extremely lucky as to the Mass Effect Fields beeing intact so he is not exposed to vacuum...



I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


That resurrection was easily the weakest plot device they used in ME2, even ahead of every squadmate getting in the shuttle before the Collectors attacked the SR2.

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SubAstris wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As it has mechanisms to allow Shepard's survival, then yes.


I doubt any of those mechanims in the unused back area where no organic has been before (according to mister Catalyst).

Also it can be boiled down really fast. The area Shepard is standing in is open to Space aka there must be Mass Effect Fields keeping the air inside the area. However Mass Effect Fields are gonna do absolutely nothing to the heat wave hitting Shepard and considering the size of the explosion and Shepards proximity (litterally within the blast radius) then taking into account the state of Shepards armor we are going to end up with the suprising conclusion of Shepard beeing utterly vapoized.

Off course that is after he survives a wave of energy with force enough to push around Reapers and debris in the space around it and a smaller explosion directly to the face before that. If he somehow survives that he also has to have been so extremely lucky as to the Mass Effect Fields beeing intact so he is not exposed to vacuum...



I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


Agreed, however, I'm not sure Shep could survive this to the point of taking a breath without being resurected again first.

As for barriers, they do not protect against heat and radiation. In the midst of that explosion and subsequent exposure to sapce radiation, there would be little to no hope of survival... regardless of plot armor. Shep is either dead, or was never on the Citadel.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Do you ever get the feeling that we have to go back to illos in ME3, for something that Vigil did not mention to Shepard the first time they meet? or maybe some Protheans could have survived, that Vigil was not informed of. I am just saying because Javik was on Eden Prime, and we did not know that there was a Prothean there on Eden Prime, so maybe.

Vigil broke shortly after its talk with you.


Well yes, but maybe there is a way to fix Vigil, or maybe we can salvage it's memory core basse and recreate Vigil in a new ai, or vi form. just saying. And if you have Javik with you it would be nice to take him to illos to show him that after the War is over, maybe you can start over here.


What if we do have to go back to illos, in order to get In the Citadel, if the Conduit is an Idoctrination devise? And Shepard has to leave the battle to go back to illos, and go use the Conduit on Illos. Bioware never said that Conduit on Illos is broken, or the relay inside the Citadel, was taken out, so maybe there is a way to get on the Citadel after all, if the Conduit on Earth is not a Conduit at all.

Seeing Ilos again? I wonder what has changed there? It'd make sense if there's no other way to get to the Citadel because it's heavily guarded by the Reapers.


I predicted a trip to Ilos to use the original conduit/relay about 1750 pages ago.

They laughed the blue off my ass.

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Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Do you ever get the feeling that we have to go back to illos in ME3, for something that Vigil did not mention to Shepard the first time they meet? or maybe some Protheans could have survived, that Vigil was not informed of. I am just saying because Javik was on Eden Prime, and we did not know that there was a Prothean there on Eden Prime, so maybe.

Vigil broke shortly after its talk with you.


Well yes, but maybe there is a way to fix Vigil, or maybe we can salvage it's memory core basse and recreate Vigil in a new ai, or vi form. just saying. And if you have Javik with you it would be nice to take him to illos to show him that after the War is over, maybe you can start over here.


What if we do have to go back to illos, in order to get In the Citadel, if the Conduit is an Idoctrination devise? And Shepard has to leave the battle to go back to illos, and go use the Conduit on Illos. Bioware never said that Conduit on Illos is broken, or the relay inside the Citadel, was taken out, so maybe there is a way to get on the Citadel after all, if the Conduit on Earth is not a Conduit at all.

Seeing Ilos again? I wonder what has changed there? It'd make sense if there's no other way to get to the Citadel because it's heavily guarded by the Reapers.


I predicted a trip to Ilos to use the original conduit/relay about 1750 pages ago.

They laughed the blue off my ass.


Ya that's where I got the idea from, and the picture on the last page.

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Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Do you ever get the feeling that we have to go back to illos in ME3, for something that Vigil did not mention to Shepard the first time they meet? or maybe some Protheans could have survived, that Vigil was not informed of. I am just saying because Javik was on Eden Prime, and we did not know that there was a Prothean there on Eden Prime, so maybe.

Vigil broke shortly after its talk with you.


Well yes, but maybe there is a way to fix Vigil, or maybe we can salvage it's memory core basse and recreate Vigil in a new ai, or vi form. just saying. And if you have Javik with you it would be nice to take him to illos to show him that after the War is over, maybe you can start over here.


What if we do have to go back to illos, in order to get In the Citadel, if the Conduit is an Idoctrination devise? And Shepard has to leave the battle to go back to illos, and go use the Conduit on Illos. Bioware never said that Conduit on Illos is broken, or the relay inside the Citadel, was taken out, so maybe there is a way to get on the Citadel after all, if the Conduit on Earth is not a Conduit at all.

Seeing Ilos again? I wonder what has changed there? It'd make sense if there's no other way to get to the Citadel because it's heavily guarded by the Reapers.


I predicted a trip to Ilos to use the original conduit/relay about 1750 pages ago.

They laughed the blue off my ass.

That was cruel of them. *hug*

#53761
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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Paxx are you Faserox on origins?

That's me. Posted Image

You could have told us yesterday, maybe we wouldn't have kicked you :P

LOL. I cried the whole last night after that. jk

I would like to start another round now, who hosts/got time?

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SubAstris wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As it has mechanisms to allow Shepard's survival, then yes.


I doubt any of those mechanims in the unused back area where no organic has been before (according to mister Catalyst).

Also it can be boiled down really fast. The area Shepard is standing in is open to Space aka there must be Mass Effect Fields keeping the air inside the area. However Mass Effect Fields are gonna do absolutely nothing to the heat wave hitting Shepard and considering the size of the explosion and Shepards proximity (litterally within the blast radius) then taking into account the state of Shepards armor we are going to end up with the suprising conclusion of Shepard beeing utterly vapoized.

Off course that is after he survives a wave of energy with force enough to push around Reapers and debris in the space around it and a smaller explosion directly to the face before that. If he somehow survives that he also has to have been so extremely lucky as to the Mass Effect Fields beeing intact so he is not exposed to vacuum...



I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


I am not gonna argue the reentry part as others did it far better than I ever could, but it is nowhere as illogical as the explosion in Destroy as we can at our current technological level make objects that can survive orbital reentry to earth, objects yes, but we can do it.

However no object created by man would be able to survive the extremes of heat and force Shepard would be subjected to beeing so close to ground zero of that explosion.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


I am not gonna argue the reentry part as others did it far better than I ever could, but it is nowhere as illogical as the explosion in Destroy as we can at our current technological level make objects that can survive orbital reentry to earth, objects yes, but we can do it.

However no object created by man would be able to survive the extremes of heat and force Shepard would be subjected to beeing so close to ground zero of that explosion.



SubAstris seems to forget that Shepard DIDNT survive the reentry in ME2. She was dead as dead can be.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Paxx are you Faserox on origins?

That's me. Posted Image

You could have told us yesterday, maybe we wouldn't have kicked you :P

LOL. I cried the whole last night after that. jk

I would like to start another round now, who hosts/got time?

I can try in 30.

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byne wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


I am not gonna argue the reentry part as others did it far better than I ever could, but it is nowhere as illogical as the explosion in Destroy as we can at our current technological level make objects that can survive orbital reentry to earth, objects yes, but we can do it.

However no object created by man would be able to survive the extremes of heat and force Shepard would be subjected to beeing so close to ground zero of that explosion.



SubAstris seems to forget that Shepard DIDNT survive the reentry in ME2. She was dead as dead can be.


oh and died from lack of oxygen so ya, and had full armor on, and sheilds on so ya.

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20 hours and 54 min, until we go to Earth.

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20 hours and 54 min, until we go to Earth.

I guess I will be reporting live from the battlefield :D

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

20 hours and 54 min, until we go to Earth.

I guess I will be reporting live from the battlefield :D


So you took Diana Allers spot, and will now be showing us the battle to the BSN, on this thread/the website.

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:16 .


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byne wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I'm just repeating what BW themselves have said, that there were mechanisms, kinetic barriers and the like which meant that everyone plot important survived. Furthermore, it is not like Shepard hasn't survived after other similar seemingly impossible situations e.g. the "resurrection" following planetary re-entry, when taken apart that's just as illogical


I am not gonna argue the reentry part as others did it far better than I ever could, but it is nowhere as illogical as the explosion in Destroy as we can at our current technological level make objects that can survive orbital reentry to earth, objects yes, but we can do it.

However no object created by man would be able to survive the extremes of heat and force Shepard would be subjected to beeing so close to ground zero of that explosion.



SubAstris seems to forget that Shepard DIDNT survive the reentry in ME2. She was dead as dead can be.


I realise, but even then s/he should have been beyond any kind of help

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so subarts what do you think of going back to Illos, and reusing the Conduit there to get on the Citadel?

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masster blaster wrote...

so subarts what do you think of going back to Illos, and reusing the Conduit there to get on the Citadel?


I keep thinking that one of these days you'll spell SubAstris' name correctly, but it never happens.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

so Sub what do you think of going back to Illos, and reusing the Conduit there to get on the Citadel?


I keep thinking that one of these days you'll spell SubAstris' name correctly, but it never happens.


I just don't want to. Also I will just say Sub for now on okay. is that Better.

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

so Sub what do you think of going back to Illos, and reusing the Conduit there to get on the Citadel?


I keep thinking that one of these days you'll spell SubAstris' name correctly, but it never happens.


I just don't want to. Also I will just say Sub for now on okay. is that Better.


Ok musster bluster

;)

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

so Sub what do you think of going back to Illos, and reusing the Conduit there to get on the Citadel?


I keep thinking that one of these days you'll spell SubAstris' name correctly, but it never happens.


I just don't want to. Also I will just say Sub for now on okay. is that Better.


Ok musster bluster

;)


it still rims.

#53775
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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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I just don't want to. Also I will just say Sub for now on okay. is that Better.


Ok musster bluster

;)


Mmh, mussterd.

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