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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Rosewind wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Right. Logging in now. Originid: SighmanSays

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just wait and see. Being on this forum, 100% serious there are people who are massively smarter than me period-people like Arian and Simon, byne, lexxor, and paxxton, raven, magumi, rose, and others... they believe IT for a reason...

I... I have to confess. I don't actually believe Bioware intended IT, and I don't believe they will ever confirm it. I'm not joking here. I'm here not because I expect IT to be made canon, but because you guys helped me come to terms with the disappointment I had with the ending, pre- and post-EC. Basically I'm here because Bioware failed to provide the ending I wanted. But the fans have and are continuing to build a better one, and I want to be a part of that.

Also, what a nice argumentum ad verecundiam you have there. :P


See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)




People actually beat platinum....


I need to try Platinum again.  I tried it once, and we all died on the first round.

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Rosewind wrote...

People actually beat platinum....


I just did. Partial Extraction though (damn Phantom in last 30 seconds) but holy lord is that a nail biting experience. Atlas, Banshee, Phantom and Geth Prime everywhere in the last few levels.

Got me roughly 110000 credits.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .


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ZerebusPrime wrote...

0! We have 67 hours to complete the mission! Go go go! All units kick butt! Take off every zigg! Launch fighters! Torpedoes away! All right you apes, you wanna live forever?! Destroy all monsters! Unleash hell! Go for the glory! Win it for the Gipper!

.....ok, I'm bored. But you get the idea.

[...]



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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Right. Logging in now. Originid: SighmanSays

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just wait and see. Being on this forum, 100% serious there are people who are massively smarter than me period-people like Arian and Simon, byne, lexxor, and paxxton, raven, magumi, rose, and others... they believe IT for a reason...

I... I have to confess. I don't actually believe Bioware intended IT, and I don't believe they will ever confirm it. I'm not joking here. I'm here not because I expect IT to be made canon, but because you guys helped me come to terms with the disappointment I had with the ending, pre- and post-EC. Basically I'm here because Bioware failed to provide the ending I wanted. But the fans have and are continuing to build a better one, and I want to be a part of that.

Also, what a nice argumentum ad verecundiam you have there. :P


See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)




People actually beat platinum....


I need to try Platinum again.  I tried it once, and we all died on the first round.


I was unwittling put into one and lets jsut say i have nightmares lol

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

People actually beat platinum....


I just did. Partial Extraction though (damn Phantom in last 30 seconds) but holy lord is that a nail biting experience. Atlas, Banshee, Phantom and Geth Prime everywhere in the last few levels.


I think I am going to cry ... we barely made it to the second round...

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Right. Logging in now. Originid: SighmanSays

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just wait and see. Being on this forum, 100% serious there are people who are massively smarter than me period-people like Arian and Simon, byne, lexxor, and paxxton, raven, magumi, rose, and others... they believe IT for a reason...

I... I have to confess. I don't actually believe Bioware intended IT, and I don't believe they will ever confirm it. I'm not joking here. I'm here not because I expect IT to be made canon, but because you guys helped me come to terms with the disappointment I had with the ending, pre- and post-EC. Basically I'm here because Bioware failed to provide the ending I wanted. But the fans have and are continuing to build a better one, and I want to be a part of that.

Also, what a nice argumentum ad verecundiam you have there. :P

This is essentially my stance as well.


Mine too. With regards to IT I'm essentially a hopeful agnostic (much as I am with religion actually). I may not be 100% sure Bioware had this planned, but all the brilliant and imaginative speculations I've read in this thread have been incredibly entertaining.

However I do maintain the, perhaps foolish, hope that Bioware will recognise a good idea when they see it, and implement IT in future DLC. If they do that, and give us an actually happy ending (yes I'm a sucker for them, I'm too old for grimdark), then I will not be able to hand them my money fast enough. In celebration I will probably buy new copies of ME2 and ME3 for the PS3 so I can play them on my big TV in the living room. 

Modifié par Eryri, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .


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Dwailing wrote...

I'm personally of the opinion that they DID intend IT.  There are far too many clues that suggest it, and for all the oddities they removed in the EC, they added others that seem to hint that there's something else going on.  And besides, if anyone could pull this off, it would be BioWare.  Or Bungie.  Wait, what would happen if those two devs did a collaborative effort?   The world might not survive the pure awesome.  Anyway, I say Bungie because of all the little seven references they fit into their games.  And books.  Seriously, if any of you have played a Bungie game or read a book based on a Bungie game (Both of these would presumably Halo, but Marathon counts too if you're an old school gamer.) you'll know just how complex some of the references to seven are.  And I KNOW that most of those are real.  So, the point of my comment is this.  If Bungie can pull this off, BioWare can, too.  I KNOW that the BW devs have probably played Halo, and I'm betting that they'd be familiar with the seven references.

Edit: Also, I'm just going to paraphrase Kasumi here on this topic.  The Bungie devs could pull something like this off in their sleep.  And Bioware's better.

Except last I checked the Halo series, while good conspiracy fodder, wasn't actually a deep story.

"Super Sergeant Shootermaster To The Max saves the day from Scary Dogmatic Aliens and The Virus."

Oh wait...

Modifié par Simon_Says, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:14 .


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So, anyone want to try Platinum? ;) I think we have a better than 10% chance of making it past wave 1. :P

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Dwailing wrote...

So, anyone want to try Platinum? ;) I think we have a better than 10% chance of making it past wave 1. :P


Only if i can host so i can play my vanguard <3 it so much

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lex0r11 wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

0! We have 67 hours to complete the mission! Go go go! All units kick butt! Take off every zigg! Launch fighters! Torpedoes away! All right you apes, you wanna live forever?! Destroy all monsters! Unleash hell! Go for the glory! Win it for the Gipper!

.....ok, I'm bored. But you get the idea.

[...]



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http://www.twitch.tv/megumiazusa :D

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Simon_Says wrote...

Except last I checked the Halo series, while good conspiracy fodder, wasn't actually a deep story.

[/i]"Super Sergeant Shootermaster To The Max saves the day from Scary Dogmatic Aliens and The Virus."[/i]

Oh wait...


Sounds familiar....

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Simon_Says wrote...

Except last I checked the Halo series, while good conspiracy fodder, wasn't actually a deep story.

[/i]"Super Sergeant Shootermaster To The Max saves the day from Scary Dogmatic Aliens and The Virus."[/i]

Oh wait...


Well, there IS a pretty deep backstory to everything if you explore the expanded universe... Posted Image  Anyway, I acknowledge that the Halo games don't have the deepest story, but my point was that it IS possible to sneak the little details that we've based out theory on into a game.  Well, it's not ALL little details, but those DO make up a fair portion of our evidence.

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Rosewind wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

People actually beat platinum....


I just did. Partial Extraction though (damn Phantom in last 30 seconds) but holy lord is that a nail biting experience. Atlas, Banshee, Phantom and Geth Prime everywhere in the last few levels.


I think I am going to cry ... we barely made it to the second round...


I had two people with me who clearly had done it before. But we were all out of missiles and any other bonus you can think of at the end.

Firebase Glacier was the stage by the way if you want to try yourself.

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Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, anyone want to try Platinum? ;) I think we have a better than 10% chance of making it past wave 1. :P


Only if i can host so i can play my vanguard <3 it so much


Sure, I have no problem with that.  Lex?

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Question? Isn't the Terminus systems in the east side of the galaxy map in the SP?

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It's north no? East is the Attican Traverse.

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Rosewind wrote...

Question? Isn't the Terminus systems in the east side of the galaxy map in the SP?


Terminus is the top, the Traverse is on the right.

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It's north no? East is the Attican Traverse.


Hmmmm another question then Benning is in the Terminus system in SP right?

NVM keep getting it's location mixed up with something else

Modifié par Rosewind, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)

That's a dirty exaggeration and you know it. Either.Ardrey can attest to that.

Also half the issue was that you were going human soldier with only a vindicator.

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Simon_Says wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)

That's a dirty exaggeration and you know it. Either.Ardrey can attest to that.

Also half the issue was that you were going human soldier with only a vindicator.


Maybe, but the part where you were killing everything left and right was accurate.:wizard:

Also Simon is probably Casey Hudson.... he seems to bring up a lot of good points and is suprisingly articulate for a forum contributor.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:35 .


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Simon_Says wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)

That's a dirty exaggeration and you know it. Either.Ardrey can attest to that.

Also half the issue was that you were going human soldier with only a vindicator.


Don't lie Simon your mean :P

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Simon_Says wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)

That's a dirty exaggeration and you know it. Either.Ardrey can attest to that.

Also half the issue was that you were going human soldier with only a vindicator.

Ask and ye shall receive. I attest.

To any PC players that don't have me yet, you can add me, but I'm in a relatively inconvenient timezone for IT apparently. Most people are MPing while I'm still at work.:mellow:

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Maybe, but the part where you were killing everything left and right was accurate.:wizard:

Also Simon is probably Casey Hudson.... he seems to bring up a lot of good points and is suprisingly articulate for a forum contributor.

That's because I was running either slayer specced for melee/slash or geth infiltrator with a black widow 3 and pure damage. i.e. "AD carries" to borrow some LoL parlance.

Also... >_>

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With IT I'm actually agnostic as well. Bioware could have:
1)Never intended it, somehow
2)Intended it, but scrapped it and people decided to push forward with organics vs. synthetics at the cost of losing the indoctrination plotline, just as that possibly lost the dark energy plotline(?)
3)Intended it, but won't offer MUCH more clarification. They still want a scenario where Shepard must do what the Catalyst suggests/demands/etc, as it fits what future stories that wish to create, yet not announce just yet.
4)(Best case) Intended it and for people to 'speculate' over it for months, but the backlash was just TOOOO big, so they had to provide a sense of 'closure' for most players with EC, but now they can finish the SP content that elaborates and branches out the story possibilities more, including indoctrination.

I'm hoping for #4. Not gonna like if its #1. I can GET IT if its 2 or 3 though, as long as they make up for it... (especially 2.... sigh)

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

See Simon sounds nice and intellectual right now, but if you play MP with him there is a dark sith side... here is audio I recorded from our last game, Simon was a jedi master:

Simon_says: Smoking if you could stop sucking so much that would be greeeaat.

Smokingotter: Sorry I'm ....well I'm the first part of my user name.

Simon_says: Do or do not, there is no try. Let's go to platinum.

Smokingotter: I'm...scared

Simon_says: (eyes narrow) you will be.... you will be.

(smokingotter dies in first second, simon gets highest score, extracted)

That's a dirty exaggeration and you know it. Either.Ardrey can attest to that.

Also half the issue was that you were going human soldier with only a vindicator.


Maybe, but the part where you were killing everything left and right was accurate.:wizard:

Also Simon is probably Casey Hudson.... he seems to bring up a lot of good points and is suprisingly articulate for a forum contributor.


Pffttt.....You guys have yet to see my abilities at MP. I am amazing at MP. Sadly I have yet to play with any IT'ers... :crying: I have yet to show off my awesome skills to you guys yet... However even though I am good, nothing can be done if you have that. Human with vindicator. Pfffftttt. You deserved what you got. :P 

edit - I'm exaggerating my skills cause I have yet to play platinum. No internet makes it a little hard to get the Earth DLC and play MP... :blush:

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:45 .