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[Arashi08]

Gwyphon wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Awww, it's like he's trying to give the universe a big hug. Maybe synthesis isn't as bad as I thought.

A nice warm comforting hug of LIIIES!

:innocent:

HUUUUUUUUUG!

[Eryri]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Just out of interest, let's assume for a minute that the Crucible really is a Reaper designed trap as many have speculated.
In that case, what's everyone's favourite theory for the "true" function of the crucible?

1. Raistlin Majare's theory that it powers the Citadel Relay for the Reaper's return trip to darkspace?

2. It turns the Citadel into a giant indoctrination antenna?

3. It powers the creation of a new human Reaper?

4. Similar to the above, but it powers the creation of a new body for Sovereign, who managed to download his mind to the Citadel just before getting blown up in ME1 and is now masquerading as the little blue git?

5. It has no function other than as a massive waste of time and resources for the Alliance?

6. None of the above / other?

Personally I'm leaning to either 1 or 4 - just for the possibilities of where those plot twists might lead.

None of the above and here's why:

1) The reapers arrive to the Citadel normally without the Crucible. Why wouldn't they need it to return?

2) Why have organics build it? Why not have it built into the Citdael and make harvesting and indoctrination easier?

3) Not a good reason either since one was being built and had its own power source in ME2.

4) Not likely either, since the crucible was attempted by the Protheans. How would sovereign even know to plant a trap in case he dies if the sabotage occured after the reapers left?

5) If that's the case then why bother having any endings at all?

Thanks for replying.
I suppose I like the idea of the Crucible being a trap because it seems far too cheesy and convenient a plot device otherwise. I would enjoy a dark plot twist that revealed it to be a Reaper weapon. To answer your points:

1. Raistlin had the idea that the Citadel was by default a one-way relay that could passively receive the reapers from Dark space, but needed an external power source to send them back.
This would prevent nosy organics activating the citadel relay by accident and stumbling across the reapers while they were hibernating and vulnerable. Sovereign, or whichever reaper served as the vanguard, would then destroy the Crucible each cycle once it had served its purpose, so the organics would never realise that the Citadel was in fact a relay.
I like this becaue it might lead to a battle on the Reaper's home turf in Dark space during future DLC.

2. Because it forces the organics to waste time doing the Reaper's bidding rather than building weapons or ships. Two birds with one stone. It's the sort of devious, machievellian move that I would imagine Harbinger or Sovereign would enjoy cooking up, purely because they could. As godlike beings, bored with immortality, perhaps they get a kick from capriciously hatching elaborate and elegant plans for their enemies to figuratively dig their own graves?

3. it may not be totally necessary, but it might speed the reaper manufacturing process up. More power is always better.

4. Sovereign wouldn't have planned to download himself to the Citadel. It would have been a desperate move to save himself when the fleet blew him up in ME1. But I take your point, there wouldn't have been time for him to plant the blueprints for the purpose of resurecting himself. I just like the idea that the catalyst is actually Sovereign - purely because he had the best lines in ME1.

5. Because we could then find another way to win, that doesn't rely on a clunky McGuffin. And because I like the idea of the Catalyst showing his true colours and gloatingly revealing that the Crucible is useless. On a visceral level I just want a satisfyingly evil villain that I can "love to hate" and enjoy defeating, rather than the weakly ambiguous creature that the Catalyst currently is.

Modifié par Eryri, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi! Is there a webcast from London?

Yes we're currently getting owned on platinum.

LOL. I meant the Summer Olympics. You are playing MP during the Opening Ceremony?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Operation: Overwatch is in effect! 62 hours to finish 800,000 individual extractions.... Let's do this.

For Earth!

[Leonia]

I'll be in London.. killing Cerberus, Geth, and Reapers. Go for gold!

(Did anyone else notice that Vancouver, London, and Rio are all Olympic-hosting cities?)

Modifié par leonia42, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:07 .

[paxxton]

Flog61 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi! Is there a webcast from London?

Yes we're currently getting owned on platinum.

LOL. I meant the Summer Olympics. You are playing MP during the Opening Ceremony?

Paxx, why do you have a control banner in your sig 

How could I not if I have the Reapers at my feet after I chose Control.

Btw, it's been there for quite a while now.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:30 .

[DJBare]

Flog61 wrote...

Paxx, why do you have a control banner in your sig 

I think it's better explained by saying this thread has little to do with which of the three options you choose, but more whether those options are real.

[Dwailing]

DJBare wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Paxx, why do you have a control banner in your sig 

I think it's better explained by saying this thread has little to do with which of the three options you choose, but more whether those options are real.

That's a good way to put it.  Honestly, each of the decisions could be justified in some way.  Now, whether those justifications actually hold any water is another matter.  Me?  I'm always going to choose Destroy.  Because the Reapers need to die, whatever the cost.

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"

Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.

[Arian Dynas]

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

[DJBare]

Dwailing wrote...

That's a good way to put it.  Honestly, each of the decisions could be justified in some way.  Now, whether those justifications actually hold any water is another matter.  Me?  I'm always going to choose Destroy.  Because the Reapers need to die, whatever the cost.

Currently I'm a fan of reject, the reapers know there is a higher chance of Shepard choosing destroy over the other options even though it means the possible destruction of EDI and the Geth, this makes destroy a honeypot, does Shepard really take a breath in the rubble, or is it just a continuation of the illusion.

Now I phrased that from the Reapers point of view, but think about it from the story tellers point of view, Hudson and Walters know most players will still opt for destroy, that would be just too easy as far as they are concerned, they are throwing a curve ball and  they want to catch out as many players as possible, destroy is the perfect bait for the highest catch out.

Just my opinion of course.

Modifié par DJBare, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:06 .

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"

Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.

I think Spacer Shep's mom references Shep's dad kind of vaguely. Like 'We're proud of you' or something. That could just mean her and the other soldiers working with her, I suppose, but I always figured it meant Shep's mom and dad.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

I've been accused of secretly being a BioWare employee multiple times.

I have yet to receive a single paycheck, though.

[Arian Dynas]

Eryri wrote...

Just out of interest, let's assume for a minute that the Crucible really is a Reaper designed trap as many have speculated.
In that case, what's everyone's favourite theory for the "true" function of the crucible?

1. Raistlin Majare's theory that it powers the Citadel Relay for the Reaper's return trip to darkspace?

2. It turns the Citadel into a giant indoctrination antenna?

3. It powers the creation of a new human Reaper?

4. Similar to the above, but it powers the creation of a new body for Sovereign, who managed to download his mind to the Citadel just before getting blown up in ME1 and is now masquerading as the Little Blue Git to obtain personal revenge on Shepard?

5. It has no function other than as a massive waste of time and resources for the Alliance?

6. None of the above / other?

Personally I'm leaning to either 1 or 4 - just for the possibilities of where those plot twists might lead.

Raistlin isn't the only one who ascribes to theories 1 and 6.

As I have illustrated in my script, here's how I picture the scene with the Crucible panning out.

The Crucible is a power source for the Citadel, which charges up the Citadel Relay, as well as acting as a sort of "Reaper Gas Station" providing power for the Reapers every cycle.

The Reapers leak the plans so that their enemies will build it for them, if they do not they force indoctrinated slaves to do it, or do it themselves, so that it pins the hopes of the cycle on it, as well as wasting their resources.

Our soloution, as far as I am concerned, use the Crucible for it's intended purpose. Fire up the Citadel Relay, and deactivate the safety protocols that keep it from firing if there is something in the way.

Voila, you have just made a supermassive Mass Accelerator Cannon, capable of using Reapers for ammunition by accelerating them to light speed and forcing them into collisions.

T'would probably burn the thing out, but it would enough to get a few shots off more than like, turning Earth into a sort of Reaper Stalingrad, just enough for us to even the score and gain the potential to win conventionally with their numbers drastically thinned.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"

Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.

I think Spacer Shep's mom references Shep's dad kind of vaguely. Like 'We're proud of you' or something. That could just mean her and the other soldiers working with her, I suppose, but I always figured it meant Shep's mom and dad.

Welp, you know what assumptions make out of you and me, but, it's just a fun little thought. 

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Just out of interest, let's assume for a minute that the Crucible really is a Reaper designed trap as many have speculated.
In that case, what's everyone's favourite theory for the "true" function of the crucible?

1. Raistlin Majare's theory that it powers the Citadel Relay for the Reaper's return trip to darkspace?

2. It turns the Citadel into a giant indoctrination antenna?

3. It powers the creation of a new human Reaper?

4. Similar to the above, but it powers the creation of a new body for Sovereign, who managed to download his mind to the Citadel just before getting blown up in ME1 and is now masquerading as the little blue git?

5. It has no function other than as a massive waste of time and resources for the Alliance?

6. None of the above / other?

Personally I'm leaning to either 1 or 4 - just for the possibilities of where those plot twists might lead.

None of the above and here's why:

1) The reapers arrive to the Citadel normally without the Crucible. Why wouldn't they need it to return?

2) Why have organics build it? Why not have it built into the Citdael and make harvesting and indoctrination easier?

3) Not a good reason either since one was being built and had its own power source in ME2.

4) Not likely either, since the crucible was attempted by the Protheans. How would sovereign even know to plant a trap in case he dies if the sabotage occured after the reapers left?

5) If that's the case then why bother having any endings at all?

Last I checked it is the sending relay that provides the majority of power, not the receiving one.

Because it could be stumbled on to, and would provide a discencentive to inhabit the Citadel, as well as losing the benefits of forcing the enemy to waste resources, as well as the effect of their "superweapon" turning out to be phony on morale.

Hence why I do not ascribe to it.

Same.

Why not?

[DJBare]

Eryri wrote...

Just out of interest, let's assume for a minute that the Crucible really is a Reaper designed trap as many have speculated.
In that case, what's everyone's favourite theory for the "true" function of the crucible?

1. Raistlin Majare's theory that it powers the Citadel Relay for the Reaper's return trip to darkspace?

2. It turns the Citadel into a giant indoctrination antenna?

3. It powers the creation of a new human Reaper?

4. Similar to the above, but it powers the creation of a new body for Sovereign, who managed to download his mind to the Citadel just before getting blown up in ME1 and is now masquerading as the Little Blue Git to obtain personal revenge on Shepard?

5. It has no function other than as a massive waste of time and resources for the Alliance?

6. None of the above / other?

Personally I'm leaning to either 1 or 4 - just for the possibilities of where those plot twists might lead.

Initially I suspected 2, but I'm thinking 6-other, a dry dock of sorts, they are constructing another reaper inside the closed arms, the crucible is a power source as claimed by the catalyst, one they mislead us into constructing, it's a major componant to aid fast construction of a new reaper, might even have Sovereigns personality which it uploaded to the citadel before he was destroyed in ME1.

[smokingotter1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

That is exactly something a writer for Bioware would say.

[Arian Dynas]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

That is exactly something a writer for Bioware would say.

How about this? In the future I WILL be a Bioware writer. :happy:

[smokingotter1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

That is exactly something a writer for Bioware would say.

How about this? In the future I WILL be a Bioware writer. :happy:

Judging from your writing that would be awesome:wizard:

[smokingotter1]

Just chiming in with a little speculation... both Saren and Tim commit suicide facing forward from their right side.

Overlay theory says Shepards is walking to his death (unless high EMS) walking to the right side. Also the villains always use predators to commit suicide, Shepard's carnifex switches to predator in choosing destroy. Just some bite size speculation for you all.

[Dwailing]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a crazy thought... what if one of you is actually Casey Hudson or Mac Walters..... what if one of us is a pen name spreading speculation and keeping the ME3 mystery alive? Obviously I'm not Mac or Casey... but maybe [you] are....

My money's on Arian.

Nah. I'm not a Bioware writer. Though the thought of being one IS appealing.

That is exactly something a writer for Bioware would say.

How about this? In the future I WILL be a Bioware writer. :happy:

Judging from your writing that would be awesome:wizard:

Assuming the endings are meant to be taken literally, he'd certainly do a better job than the REAL BioWare writing team.

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:45 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

If the endings are meant to be taken literally, I think a 5th grader could write a better ending.