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The Opening Ceremony is history. Now off to winning!

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Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?



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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"


Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^;)

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.


Who is Armistan Banes?

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paxxton wrote...

The Opening Ceremony is history. Now off to winning!

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What'd you make of it? Hell of a ceremony I think :)

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?


Yup, Prettz on this thread made that.

Also, am I the only one who finds the big timer... sort of ominous?
I get the impression we'll be getting something interesting in 60 hours :wizard:

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Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That means we had to take notice of him being outside.

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I can now also shoot down the theory that Bioware Writer John Dombrow has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to Mass Effect.

He was a massive ME fan in 2007. Loved ME2 in 2009. Wrote Garrus and Javik in 2012.

In short, there is no way Bioware could have forgotten everything important about their stories.

Read Homeworlds #3 it's practically a love letter to Garrus.

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TSA_383 wrote...

 

paxxton wrote...

The Opening Ceremony is history. Now off to winning!

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What'd you make of it? Hell of a ceremony I think :)

I was about an hour late but what I saw was brilliantly amazing. That hill with a tree and all the flags - so cool. The caldron is really an unforgettable sight with small candles forming the giant one. And then NA NA NANANANA NANANANA YEAH YEAH. Great spectacle. 

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Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"


Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^;)

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.


Who is Armistan Banes?


Dead, human, Cerberus.

Abandoned plotline. :P

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paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.


I was going to say that. It takes time to put everyone into another shuttle etc. Why a Cerberus shuttle?

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Kem1995 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.


I was going to say that. It takes time to put everyone into another shuttle etc. Why a Cerberus shuttle?


I'd be tempted to just chalk it up to dev error, if it weren't for the fact anyone paying close attention can clearly see Coates exiting the shuttle AND waiting for it to land.

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btw it's also interesting to note that they added

Requirement: Mass Effect: Earth must be installed to earn these rewards.

this time.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw it's also interesting to note that they added

Requirement: Mass Effect: Earth must be installed to earn these rewards.

this time.


It IS interesting that they specify that, although it could just have something to do with how the reward this week is a N7 class.  That could be it. Posted Image

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.

Yeah, but using a flycam gives you less of a proof than if it's shown during a normal playthrough. Not saying that flycams can't give you further insight into what's going on in a scene but the findings can sometimes turn up to be mere optimizations or oversights. On the other hand, the camera is meant to be a passive participant in the events of Mass Effect 3 so if you can spot a contradiction during a normal playthrough, it's a strong hint something's up.

Having said that, the shuttle change is fishy. It'd be a pretty huge oversight. So probably something's happening there behind the scenes. The Cerberus logo might be a left-over from ME2 though. Wasn't that shuttle model first introduced in ME2 as a Cerberus vessel?

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paxxton wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.

Yeah, but using a flycam gives you less of a proof than if it's shown during a normal playthrough. Not saying that flycams can't give you further insight into what's going on in a scene but the findings can sometimes turn up to be mere optimizations or oversights. On the other hand, the camera is meant to be a passive participant in the events of Mass Effect 3 so if you can spot a contradiction during a normal playthrough, it's a strong hint something's up.

Having said that, the shuttle change is fishy. It'd be a pretty huge oversight. So probably something's happening there behind the scenes. The Cerberus logo might be a left-over from ME2 thoug. Wasn't that shuttle model first introduced in ME2 as a Cerberus vessel?


It is. That shuttle is the ones used in ME2. The main point is that the shuttle has been changed for some reason (how?) to a Cerberus shuttle. Why would they do that?

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I believe it was introduced first with Cerberus in ME2. Like I said, that part I can chalk up to dev error, but iirc Coates can be seen twice in game. That's what's weird to me.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I believe it was introduced first with Cerberus in ME2. Like I said, that part I can chalk up to dev error, but iirc Coates can be seen twice in game. That's what's weird to me.

That. But, as I said, inadvertently changing a shuttle model in one of the most important scenes in the game seems like an unusual oversight. 

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Yeah you do make a point. On an unrelated note. Is it normal for people to kick drells from gold lobbies? My drell adept's been kicked from 6 different lobbies and counting.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Yeah you do make a point. On an unrelated note. Is it normal for people to kick drells from gold lobbies? My drell adept's been kicked from 6 different lobbies and counting.

No idea. Maybe your char is low-level or something.

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 Lvl 19 with a load-out optimized for power spamming and maximum cluster grenade havoc. :D

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lvl 19 with a load-out optimized for power spamming and maximum cluster grenade havoc. :D

Usually non lvl 20 are getting kicked when with randoms.
Also Drell isn't that popular.

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paxxton wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has seen this buy why is there 2 Major Coats on Earth?

Programming optimization is less probable in this case because Coats is shown by the camera outside the shuttle before the door opens. That meeans we had to take notice of him being outside.


I guess it could suggest that the London mission isn't entirely rooted in reality. A cerberus logo can be seen inside the ship Shepard exits with a fly-cam. That, and he's exiting a different model shuttle than the one he was extracted in by Coats and Anderson.

Yeah, but using a flycam gives you less of a proof than if it's shown during a normal playthrough. Not saying that flycams can't give you further insight into what's going on in a scene but the findings can sometimes turn up to be mere optimizations or oversights. On the other hand, the camera is meant to be a passive participant in the events of Mass Effect 3 so if you can spot a contradiction during a normal playthrough, it's a strong hint something's up.

Having said that, the shuttle change is fishy. It'd be a pretty huge oversight. So probably something's happening there behind the scenes. The Cerberus logo might be a left-over from ME2 though. Wasn't that shuttle model first introduced in ME2 as a Cerberus vessel?


My take on it is this.

The 2 major coats: This can be explained with just how the programmers developed the game. Even in the beginning of the game there is one point where there are 2 andersons. So it's nothing new. Programming wise of ME3. Besides as the player watching the game we wouldn't be that observant without flycam. Just try to watch the citadel confrontation in fly cam and all the characters constantly seem to teleport all over the place. This is because of the way the devs programmed the discussion sections of the game. The 2 majors would be strange if it was in gameplay, but that is not the case. (I also had an idea that BioWare reuses the Major's body as a basic soldier model but that has yet to be proven.)

The shuttles: This I found interesting. It makes no sense for BioWare to change the models of the shuttles this late in the game. Unless - This scene was made or at least a majoritiy of it was made in the early stages of ME3 and they reused the ME2 shuttle. To fix it they just changed the outside colors. Thus saving time and money of changing out the models after a majority has been made. OR There was a design issue for the level at that point and the regular model wouldn't work. To fix it they reused the ME2 model. Other than those it really makes no sense to me why they would change it out. :huh: Also interesting fact, later in the level near the Thanix missiles there is a shard of a Cerberus shuttle sticking out of the ground and clearly shows the Cerberus logo. Why...I have no idea. But they could have planned for Cerberus to make a show. They certainly planned for all the species (not at the same time I don't think...but it would have been cool...) to fight w/ Shepard at one point so it makes sense.

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 I had someone with an N7 score of 2000+ try to kick me from a game the other day because mine's a mere 160.

I got the highest score in the match :whistle:

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lvl 19 with a load-out optimized for power spamming and maximum cluster grenade havoc. :D

Usually non lvl 20 are getting kicked when with randoms.
Also Drell isn't that popular.

Crazy.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lvl 19 with a load-out optimized for power spamming and maximum cluster grenade havoc. :D

Usually non lvl 20 are getting kicked when with randoms.
Also Drell isn't that popular.


I guess. 250 base barrier is not an attractive feature. I got to watch you and paxx play while working on my IT doc. You are quite skilled with close combat characters.