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paxxton wrote...

TJ, look what you've done. Now everybody's going to bring up asset reusage as a proper explanation.

Coats' body at the Citadel was mentioned but I don't remember if we reached any conclusion.


Well it is proven that BioWare uses the same assets all the time. Like enemies. You think they make each one separately? NO. They make one and cookiecutterlike place spawns for that model in specific places on the map. Scenery is another one. You think they make individual trees? NO. They make a specific number and place them similarily to enemies. Now if the company is any good they don't make it too evident. One company that makes it quite plain....Bethesda with FALLOUT. BioWare is just really good at hiding it. Now if it is plain when we see sloppy reused assets from a good company then something is up. No doubt.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Rosewind wrote...

Leviathan: "Shepard..... I am your father"
Shepard: "Nooooo! That's Impossible!"


Actually, we could have a bit of interesting fun with that.

Earthborn Shepard, orphan, lived on the streets, never knew his parents.

Colonist Shepard, parents both slaughtered in the Skyllian Blitz

Spacer Shepard, we only know his mother (I know nothing about whether he knows his father or not  ^^;)

Picture it, new DLC, Shepard meets his long lost father, has a chat with the old man, discovers him to be either a Reaper creation or a Reaper agent, forced to kill the father he has never known.

As a man in his early 30's, one who has set himself up petty well, one who thinks he has a firm grasp on himself, that woulc be something that could really shake a guy up.


Who is Armistan Banes?


Dead, human, Cerberus.

Abandoned plotline. :P


lol - you know that was rhetorical, I'm sure. I've got over a 1000 hours per game, so I'd hope so...

But is he... any witnesses that saw that body or even the ship it was on are dead.

Maybe Banes is Shepard's father.


I doubt it. :P

They did say that Banes was a plotline they planned, but later dropped.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Well today I went to an airshow in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. Well, more of a practice. Anyway my field test of indoctrination was fruitfull. Seems that when exposed to infrasonic and extrasonic noise at large quantities you DO GET HEADACHES. Other than that I think I had a good time. At least the voices in my head say I did... :whistle:

Seems now I hear Reaper horns all over the place...I think I heard one in my radio.... (It makes a really cool effect when hearing this song with full on bass...:happy:)





I was born in Fairbanks...grew up in Alaska. If you need the hook up in ANC let me know :)


Still quite new to the area...sorta sucks cause I have to wait for my house to be built before I can go anywhere far from there and explore the region. I think Arian also lives in the area as well. So that's kinda cool. :)

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smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Well today I went to an airshow in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. Well, more of a practice. Anyway my field test of indoctrination was fruitfull. Seems that when exposed to infrasonic and extrasonic noise at large quantities you DO GET HEADACHES. Other than that I think I had a good time. At least the voices in my head say I did... :whistle:

Seems now I hear Reaper horns all over the place...I think I heard one in my radio.... (It makes a really cool effect when hearing this song with full on bass...:happy:)





I was born in Fairbanks...grew up in Alaska. If you need the hook up in ANC let me know :)


I live in Anchorage myself.

Lived here two years, hate the snow, love the rain, enjoy the paycheck. (Seriously, the PFD is awesome.)

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

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TSA_383 wrote...

 I had someone with an N7 score of 2000+ try to kick me from a game the other day because mine's a mere 160.

I got the highest score in the match :whistle:


I hate it when people do that. Maybe some players are just really good with a character and choose not to promote them? :pinched: Generally I prove people wrong by getting at least 2nd or 1st in matches.


I've had that happen early on when I was in the 200s for N7. I tend to also score first or second regardless of who the leader is.

I tend to score better when I'm not streaming :P


I wasn't screaming that loud!!! ... :blink: was I? lol. I was so mad! I hate that map. :?



Could someone give me a list of people who are ITers and play MP? A short list is fine. Please tell me the GT's too!! I really don't want to hunt through the list in the official group...:pinched:


I play MP.... that said I'm techically IT, although my theory is more....refined (puts on monocle)....

I play bronze and silver... why if I'm so great do I not play gold and platinum? I like to relax..... that's why.

u/n smokingotter

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I too play MP. Sadly I don't think anyone here has a PS3 save for one person.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I live in Anchorage myself.

Lived here two years, hate the snow, love the rain, enjoy the paycheck. (Seriously, the PFD is awesome.)


Then you love the summer here then. So far it's been cold and wet. Sucks. It's more like early spring than MID-Summer. Thank GOD it's sunny and hot today though. Was a little worried.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJ, look what you've done. Now everybody's going to bring up asset reusage as a proper explanation.

Coats' body at the Citadel was mentioned but I don't remember if we reached any conclusion.


Well it is proven that BioWare uses the same assets all the time. Like enemies. You think they make each one separately? NO. They make one and cookiecutterlike place spawns for that model in specific places on the map. Scenery is another one. You think they make individual trees? NO. They make a specific number and place them similarily to enemies. Now if the company is any good they don't make it too evident. One company that makes it quite plain....Bethesda with FALLOUT. BioWare is just really good at hiding it. Now if it is plain when we see sloppy reused assets from a good company then something is up. No doubt.

I know about reusing assets in game dev but was just surprised that you don't see anything fishy in 2 Coats being shown on camera during a normal (non-flycam) playthrough.

Now that's a story with an unexpected turn.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:38 .


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Have to go, but if any have comments for me please PM them to me. I will most likely not search through the thread to find them, so PMing them is a major help.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Well today I went to an airshow in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. Well, more of a practice. Anyway my field test of indoctrination was fruitfull. Seems that when exposed to infrasonic and extrasonic noise at large quantities you DO GET HEADACHES. Other than that I think I had a good time. At least the voices in my head say I did... :whistle:

Seems now I hear Reaper horns all over the place...I think I heard one in my radio.... (It makes a really cool effect when hearing this song with full on bass...:happy:)





I was born in Fairbanks...grew up in Alaska. If you need the hook up in ANC let me know :)


I live in Anchorage myself.

Lived here two years, hate the snow, love the rain, enjoy the paycheck. (Seriously, the PFD is awesome.)


I use to live right next to the Alaska Native Medical Center....:lol:

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smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Well today I went to an airshow in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. Well, more of a practice. Anyway my field test of indoctrination was fruitfull. Seems that when exposed to infrasonic and extrasonic noise at large quantities you DO GET HEADACHES. Other than that I think I had a good time. At least the voices in my head say I did... :whistle:

Seems now I hear Reaper horns all over the place...I think I heard one in my radio.... (It makes a really cool effect when hearing this song with full on bass...:happy:)


I was born in Fairbanks...grew up in Alaska. If you need the hook up in ANC let me know :)

Otter was not born in London? sadface.jpg

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJ, look what you've done. Now everybody's going to bring up asset reusage as a proper explanation.

Coats' body at the Citadel was mentioned but I don't remember if we reached any conclusion.


Well it is proven that BioWare uses the same assets all the time. Like enemies. You think they make each one separately? NO. They make one and cookiecutterlike place spawns for that model in specific places on the map. Scenery is another one. You think they make individual trees? NO. They make a specific number and place them similarily to enemies. Now if the company is any good they don't make it too evident. One company that makes it quite plain....Bethesda with FALLOUT. BioWare is just really good at hiding it. Now if it is plain when we see sloppy reused assets from a good company then something is up. No doubt.

I know about reusing assets in game dev but was just surprised that you don't see anything fishy in 2 Coats being shown on camera during a normal (non-flycam) playthrough.

Now that's a story with an unexpected twist.


Well the 2 coats is like the Coats on the Citadel. Unless you flycam you can't see it. (And most consoles can't.) So it's not necessarily sloppy. They could have used another model for that scene, that is true so some of it raises an eyebrow, but not too much. (I still hold that they used the major as a base for some models.) The only thing I find interesting is the Cerberus logos and the implications of them. Having a logo appear twice in a level in places you would generally not see in normal gameplay is definitely strange and warrents some attention. 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:44 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Well today I went to an airshow in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. Well, more of a practice. Anyway my field test of indoctrination was fruitfull. Seems that when exposed to infrasonic and extrasonic noise at large quantities you DO GET HEADACHES. Other than that I think I had a good time. At least the voices in my head say I did... :whistle:

Seems now I hear Reaper horns all over the place...I think I heard one in my radio.... (It makes a really cool effect when hearing this song with full on bass...:happy:)


I was born in Fairbanks...grew up in Alaska. If you need the hook up in ANC let me know :)

Otter was not born in London? sadface.jpg


How many otters have you seen in London?

Also I said I was born in London months ago because apparently for some reason that is now the focus of intense IT analysis (bangs head against desk).

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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJ, look what you've done. Now everybody's going to bring up asset reusage as a proper explanation.

Coats' body at the Citadel was mentioned but I don't remember if we reached any conclusion.


Well it is proven that BioWare uses the same assets all the time. Like enemies. You think they make each one separately? NO. They make one and cookiecutterlike place spawns for that model in specific places on the map. Scenery is another one. You think they make individual trees? NO. They make a specific number and place them similarily to enemies. Now if the company is any good they don't make it too evident. One company that makes it quite plain....Bethesda with FALLOUT. BioWare is just really good at hiding it. Now if it is plain when we see sloppy reused assets from a good company then something is up. No doubt.

I know about reusing assets in game dev but was just surprised that you don't see anything fishy in 2 Coats being shown on camera during a normal (non-flycam) playthrough.

Now that's a story with an unexpected twist.


Well the 2 coats is like the Coats on the Citadel. Unless you flycam you can't see it. (And most consoles can't.) So it's not necessarily sloppy. They could have used another model for that scene, that is true so some of it raises an eyebrow, but not too much. The only thing I find interesting is the Cerberus logos and the implications of them. Having a logo appear twice in a level in places you would generally not see in normal gameplay is definitly strange and warrents some attention. 

Sorry, but I think if you can see something suspicious during normal gameplay (especially so obvious) it's more important than flycaming. Not too take anything from flycams.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:46 .


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Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJ, look what you've done. Now everybody's going to bring up asset reusage as a proper explanation.

Coats' body at the Citadel was mentioned but I don't remember if we reached any conclusion.


Well it is proven that BioWare uses the same assets all the time. Like enemies. You think they make each one separately? NO. They make one and cookiecutterlike place spawns for that model in specific places on the map. Scenery is another one. You think they make individual trees? NO. They make a specific number and place them similarily to enemies. Now if the company is any good they don't make it too evident. One company that makes it quite plain....Bethesda with FALLOUT. BioWare is just really good at hiding it. Now if it is plain when we see sloppy reused assets from a good company then something is up. No doubt.

I know about reusing assets in game dev but was just surprised that you don't see anything fishy in 2 Coats being shown on camera during a normal (non-flycam) playthrough.

Now that's a story with an unexpected twist.


Well the 2 coats is like the Coats on the Citadel. Unless you flycam you can't see it. (And most consoles can't.) So it's not necessarily sloppy. They could have used another model for that scene, that is true so some of it raises an eyebrow, but not too much. The only thing I find interesting is the Cerberus logos and the implications of them. Having a logo appear twice in a level in places you would generally not see in normal gameplay is definitly strange and warrents some attention. 

Sorry, but I think if you can see something suspicious during normal gameplay (especially so obvious) it's more important than flycaming. Not too take anything from flycams.

I get your point but it applies less to EC.  Everyone new we would analyze the crap out of everything in it. Flycam is pretty basic analysis. Speculation for everyone! Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I had no idea. Honestly. Posted ImagePosted Image

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Who ever is Shadow... I apologize I had to restart Origin to chat... damn you buggy software! (shakes paws towards sky.)

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Don't be ridiculous, that's something completely new!

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paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I had no idea. Honestly. Posted ImagePosted Image


You guys... (bangs head against desk harder)

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smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I had no idea. Honestly. Posted ImagePosted Image


You guys... (bangs head against desk harder)

This hurts you.

#54222
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paxxton wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I had no idea. Honestly. Posted ImagePosted Image


You guys... (bangs head against desk harder)

THIS HURTS YOU.

Fixed.

#54223
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paxxton wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I had no idea. Honestly. Posted ImagePosted Image


You guys... (bangs head against desk harder)

This hurts you.


In one of the circles of hell Masster Blaster has a huge smile... and is planning a fantastical misspelled post about London.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anderson was born in London you know...
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Don't be ridiculous, that's something completely new!

Apparently, we're both losing touch, Megumi.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

THIS HURTS YOU.

Fixed.

Thanks.