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[Eryri]

Dam0299 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea as to why during the extended cut, when Shepard reaches the beam. We see a keeper picking up a N7 helmet out of a corpse pile, with the camera clearly drawing our attention to it?. Anyone have any ideas as to why that was added?.

There's a regular poster on these boards called Pretzz who's done a whole video about it -  

It's quite long, but entertaining. 

EDIT - here's the link to the right part of the video - http://www.youtube.c...OGUx2huw#t=342s

Modifié par Eryri, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[Rosewind]

Dam0299 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea as to why during the extended cut, when Shepard reaches the beam. We see a keeper picking up a N7 helmet out of a corpse pile, with the camera clearly drawing our attention to it?. Anyone have any ideas as to why that was added?.

isn't that the bit where they show the keeper taking the helmet of coates...

[RavenEyry]

Eryri wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea as to why during the extended cut, when Shepard reaches the beam. We see a keeper picking up a N7 helmet out of a corpse pile, with the camera clearly drawing our attention to it?. Anyone have any ideas as to why that was added?.

There's a regular poster on these boards calles Pretzz who's done a whole video about it -  

Most of the video is pretty superflous so TL;DW: The body is of Major Coates. EC also adds a scene of Coates alive after this scene, making it way more suspicious.

[Eryri]

RavenEyry wrote...

Most of the video is pretty superflous so TL;DW: The body is of Major Coates. EC also adds a scene of Coates alive after this scene, making it way more suspicious.

Yes sorry I typed that in a rush, the interesting stuff about the body starts at about 5 minutes and 40 seconds in.

Modifié par Eryri, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:58 .

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea as to why during the extended cut, when Shepard reaches the beam. We see a keeper picking up a N7 helmet out of a corpse pile, with the camera clearly drawing our attention to it?. Anyone have any ideas as to why that was added?.

There's a regular poster on these boards calles Pretzz who's done a whole video about it -  

Most of the video is pretty superflous so TL;DW: The body is of Major Coates. EC also adds a scene of Coates alive after this scene, making it way more suspicious.

And what's even MORE suspicious is that I'm pretty sure it's not just a generic Alliance helmet, but actually a N7 helmet like Shepard wears/used to wear (I'm not sure if it's one of the new model ME2/3 helmets, or one of the old model ME1 helmets.).  Does this mean anything?  I don't know.  But I do know that it's weird as ****.

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...
I don't know.  But I do know that it's weird as ****.

Though we shoudn't bother speculating on it since I keep being told EC completely debunked IT.

[LtBehemoth]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Does anyone have any idea as to why during the extended cut, when Shepard reaches the beam. We see a keeper picking up a N7 helmet out of a corpse pile, with the camera clearly drawing our attention to it?. Anyone have any ideas as to why that was added?.

There's a regular poster on these boards calles Pretzz who's done a whole video about it -  

Most of the video is pretty superflous so TL;DW: The body is of Major Coates. EC also adds a scene of Coates alive after this scene, making it way more suspicious.

And what's even MORE suspicious is that I'm pretty sure it's not just a generic Alliance helmet, but actually a N7 helmet like Shepard wears/used to wear (I'm not sure if it's one of the new model ME2/3 helmets, or one of the old model ME1 helmets.).  Does this mean anything?  I don't know.  But I do know that it's weird as ****.

It's actualy Allaince helmet.
Look at 07:48

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

I honestly think if they took the time to understand the theory in full, they would change their mind.

[Rosewind]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

I honestly think if they took the time to understand the theory in full, they would change their mind.

Not everyone can see what is front of them they choose to look away and ignore what lies in front of them.

Edit: Hehehe sorry in a bit of a crazy philosophical mood tonight.

Modifié par Rosewind, 28 juillet 2012 - 02:58 .

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Not everyone can see what is front of them they choose to look away and ignore what lies in front of them.

Edit: Hehehe sorry in a bit of a crazy philosophical mood tonight.

[RavenEyry]

I wish I had a speculation monocle. I'm stuck with just my speculation baggy trousers.

[comrade gando]

ghostz82 wrote...

The indoctrination theory would be the worst ending period the new extended cut explains everything you didn't understand about the first endings and I think it is great. Good job bioware I'm so happy an extended cut was released to shut up these extreme fans let's move on to more important things like future DLC for the campaign and maybe another mass effect game in the future would be nice with Shepard of course in it if possiable.

IT isn't an ending it's an explanation. what do you think it's going to be "Oh, it was indoctrination? Oh golly jee! *roll the credits*"

it explains what the heck happened at the end logically, and allows for a continuation to idk boss fight against harbinger, big time plot twist, epic mass effect badassery w/e.

[Ageless Face]

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 28 juillet 2012 - 03:38 .

[smokingotter1]

Just had a thought... if IT is right than the ME3 ending is a massive downer. Think about it, Harbinger has just wasted Hammer team, Shepard's squad got wounded and had to leave the fight. The Normandy has left the immediate area, Shepard is alone now, can Shepard's day get any worse?

It's about to, because now he's fighting the reapers in a battle for his mind. The person who united the galaxy falls to the reapers, or wakes up with Harbinger still there...at Harbinger's mercy. Talk about a terminal case of the "mondays".

[RavenEyry]

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

I and several others think of them as different forms of indoctrination. Control utterly crushes the mind and leaves a raving lunatic while synthesis creates a reaper agent similar to Saren. The reapers obviously want the latter more. Note Mr. Sparkle still likes the idea of control way more than destroy.

[AragonShadslayer]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Just had a thought... if IT is right than the ME3 ending is a massive downer. Think about it, Harbinger has just wasted Hammer team, Shepard's squad got wounded and had to leave the fight. The Normandy has left the immediate area, Shepard is alone now, can Shepard's day get any worse?

It's about to, because now he's fighting the reapers in a battle for his mind. The person who united the galaxy falls to the reapers, or wakes up with Harbinger still there...at Harbinger's mercy. Talk about a terminal case of the "mondays".

I read that in Joker's voice, and honestly, it fits his character nicely.

[TSA_383]

I just had a thought on EDI's line from synthesis.

There was a scene cut from ME2 on the derelict reaper mission in which a fully controlled indoctrinated victim or the reaper itself says to them "Join us, and you shall never be alone again".
Turns out the derelict reaper is still thinking, although its mind is cut off from the reaper command/collective/however it works. It actually calls cerberus there out of loneliness, which I think is interesting - although I can see why they might cut the scene if they want to keep the reapers mysterious...

So, could the final line of synthesis "I am alive, and I am not alone" be another hint?

Modifié par TSA_383, 28 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .

[Ageless Face]

RavenEyry wrote...
I and several others think of them as different forms of indoctrination. Control utterly crushes the mind and leaves a raving lunatic while synthesis creates a reaper agent similar to Saren. The reapers obviously want the latter more. Note Mr. Sparkle still likes the idea of control way more than destroy.

lol Mr. Sparkle? The catalyst should be proud he's getting so many nicknames.

He doesn't really seem to like control more than destroy though. The bad thing he says about destroy is synthetics will die. In control, he says Shepard will die. And like I said, there are some people that care more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or someone is playing a Shepard that care more about him/herself than the synthetics. So why will Shepard break free of the indoctrination by picking destroy, if destroy is actually something Shepard wants? Wouldn't that mean that control is actually the choice that will break the hallucination?

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

I and several others think of them as different forms of indoctrination. Control utterly crushes the mind and leaves a raving lunatic while synthesis creates a reaper agent similar to Saren. The reapers obviously want the latter more. Note Mr. Sparkle still likes the idea of control way more than destroy.

(The following assumes the Catalyst is telling the truth)
Note how Control and Destroy (and Refuse) go against the Reapers' / Catalyst's programming, while Synthesis is finishing what the Reapers were made to fight. You choosing Synth helps the Catalyst achieve it's programming: it solves the conflict once and for all. Therefore, it doesn't matter to the Catalyst that he will become redundant. In Control you still go against to what the Catalyst wants, as you repurpose the Reapers. Destroy, obviously, too.

Now, in terms of IT, I'm getting the feeling that it's important to distinguish the endings not only in their color/name, but also your EMS. Only if you have EMS>=3100 AND choose red/Destroy, you break free of the indoc. attempt according to the basic version of IT -- this is not talking about Refuse.
Everything else, according to IT, doesn't seem to lead to anywhere where Shepard 'wakes up'.

The Catalyst's mood depending on the EMS would make sense, if the importance of Shep to the Reapers is his resolve. Low EMS results if Shep is not dedicated enough, that doesn't speak of a strong character. And that seems to have little use to the Reapers.

Or at least, this is the way I see it.

[TSA_383]

HagarIshay wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
I and several others think of them as different forms of indoctrination. Control utterly crushes the mind and leaves a raving lunatic while synthesis creates a reaper agent similar to Saren. The reapers obviously want the latter more. Note Mr. Sparkle still likes the idea of control way more than destroy.

lol Mr. Sparkle? The catalyst should be proud he's getting so many nicknames.

He doesn't really seem to like control more than destroy though. The bad thing he says about destroy is synthetics will die. In control, he says Shepard will die. And like I said, there are some people that care more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or someone is playing a Shepard that care more about him/herself than the synthetics. So why will Shepard break free of the indoctrination by picking destroy, if destroy is actually something Shepard wants? Wouldn't that mean that control is actually the choice that will break the hallucination?

Think about it, what does it present as a solution?

Destroy (Shepard breaks free?): Nope, not a solution, synthetics will destroy all organics without the reapers there, everyone will die.
Control (Shepard becomes reaper slave?): Sort of a solution, you can have power.... apparently.
Synthesis (Shepard actively advances the goals of the reapers/becomes fully indoctrinted): OOOOH YES THIS! THIS ONE PLEASE! IT IS INEVITABLE.

[TheConstantOne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

I and several others think of them as different forms of indoctrination. Control utterly crushes the mind and leaves a raving lunatic while synthesis creates a reaper agent similar to Saren. The reapers obviously want the latter more. Note Mr. Sparkle still likes the idea of control way more than destroy.

(The following assumes the Catalyst is telling the truth)
Note how Control and Destroy (and Refuse) go against the Reapers' / Catalyst's programming, while Synthesis is finishing what the Reapers were made to fight. You choosing Synth helps the Catalyst achieve it's programming: it solves the conflict once and for all. Therefore, it doesn't matter to the Catalyst that he will become redundant. In Control you still go against to what the Catalyst wants, as you repurpose the Reapers. Destroy, obviously, too.

Now, in terms of IT, I'm getting the feeling that it's important to distinguish the endings not only in their color/name, but also your EMS. Only if you have EMS>=3100 AND choose red/Destroy, you break free of the indoc. attempt according to the basic version of IT -- this is not talking about Refuse.
Everything else, according to IT, doesn't seem to lead to anywhere where Shepard 'wakes up'.

The Catalyst's mood depending on the EMS would make sense, if the importance of Shep to the Reapers is his resolve. Low EMS results if Shep is not dedicated enough, that doesn't speak of a strong character. And that seems to have little use to the Reapers.

Or at least, this is the way I see it.

I've been viewing the situation as the Catalyst wants to repurpose the Crucible for the Reapers' objectives.  I put up a post a while ago stating that they seem to be planning something with the Citadel-Crucible system that is never directly addressed in game.  For that matter, why human DNA has a particular appeal to them is also never really addressed...perhaps the two are related.  From this point of view, control isn't preferable as Shepard submits to indoctrination in a way that doesn't contribute to...whatever the Reapers' are planning.

As for the Catalyst getting angry about the thought of being replaced, I viewed it as an act.  The Catalyst tries to play by the debate rules of a more aggresive Shepard.  If Shepard takes the "up" option for this conversation, the Catalyst sounds much more in favor towards the idea of control

[TheConstantOne]

Rosewind wrote...

Not everyone can see what is front of them they choose to look away and ignore what lies in front of them.

Edit: Hehehe sorry in a bit of a crazy philosophical mood tonight.

Haha no need to apologize. Those are the moods when you figure out something truly grandiose

[Rosewind]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Not everyone can see what is front of them they choose to look away and ignore what lies in front of them.

Edit: Hehehe sorry in a bit of a crazy philosophical mood tonight.

Haha no need to apologize. Those are the moods when you figure out something truly grandiose

only thing running around in my head at the moment is "Trolololololooo" song

[estebanus]

Finally home again! Anything new in the last 3 days?