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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#54401
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FFZero wrote...



Well there is Gamescom next month, which is Europes biggest video game
convention and Bioware are going to be there, just not in a capacity to
show anything off from the sounds of things. So either a press release
for Leviathan is still a ways off or it's coming before hand. Or Bioware
are going to surprise those of us there with something.



Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that they won't have any kind of big presence there, so I don't think they'll announce anything of importance like DLC.

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estebanus wrote...

FFZero wrote...



Well there is Gamescom next month, which is Europes biggest video game
convention and Bioware are going to be there, just not in a capacity to
show anything off from the sounds of things. So either a press release
for Leviathan is still a ways off or it's coming before hand. Or Bioware
are going to surprise those of us there with something.



Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that they won't have any kind of big presence there, so I don't think they'll announce anything of importance like DLC.


Chris is going, and maybe Jessica M too.

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[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...


[quote]estebanus wrote...

Also I'm a pretty rich person, so it doesn't really matter to me if I have to pay 10€ for it.

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Agreed.
Also,   € 10 of disposable income = pretty rich? I like this forum :lol:

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I didn't want to seem like an ass. If you really wanna know it, I've got about .............In my bank.

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[ WORNING DO NOT TELL PEOPLE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE IN THE BANK.]:pinched:

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Yeah, great. Does it matter?

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if someone hacked into your Computer, then they could look through your personal stuff, and most likely get a hold of your bank accounts, and then bye bye all your money. Oh I ment if somebody on the BSN saw how much money you said you had. Then they will try yo hack your Computer, if they are hackers.

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I don't keep any of my bank notes on this computer. I use another one for that.

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About Gamescom.

inb4 They don't say anything of actual worth. Again.

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HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

I'll go with classic reverse psychology. One of the better ways to convince someone to do something is to tell them not to do it/that they don't want it. Just my two cents.

Destroy = somewhat secretly doesn't want<_<
Control = secretly does want:devil::bandit:
Synthesis = OMGOMGOMG You totally gotta pick this one Shepard. Herpaderp.:lol::wizard:

And off to MP I go..

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Simon_Says wrote...

About Gamescom.

inb4 They don't say anything of actual worth. Again.

lol, that's pretty much guaranteed.:lol:

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estebanus wrote...
I didn't want to seem like an ass. If you really wanna know it, I've got about 753.000€ In my bank. 


If that's not a decimal point, then you're a fool for having that much in a bank, especially in euros ;)
Hell, at 750k you could buy a BMW M3 with the amount you've lost from currency depreciation in the past six months :lol:

I'm on £-1400 in my bank account (free overdrafts ftw) but +quitealargeamout in my brokerage accounts and some cash in high-risk stuff like bitcoin investments and the like ;)

estebanus wrote...
I don't keep any of my bank notes on this computer. I use another one for that.

 
Most bank fraud is based on either:
-Cheque fraud (not really relevant if you don't use them but it's a huge problem).
-Keylogging/retrieval of stored passwords.

So it's more about the software integrity of the machine you use for financial stuff. I know a guy who lost $7500 after a guy got into his bank account due to an infected cracked bit of software. Bet he wishes he'd just bought it now :lol:

DJBare wrote...

Another free DLC?, I think not, maybe that's what the guys at Bioware might want, but EA is definitely in this game for the profit, and boy do they need it.

Mass Effect is absolute gold for EA, which is part of the reason I can't see them not running with our angle in this thread. It makes way beautifully for ME4, plus DLC, plus ME3 DLC, plus extra multiplayer revenue.
We're talking what? $400m turnover and $150m profit from all that?
Hell, I would :lol:

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

I'll go with classic reverse psychology. One of the better ways to convince someone to do something is to tell them not to do it/that they don't want it. Just my two cents.

Destroy = somewhat secretly doesn't want[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]
Control = secretly does want[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]
Synthesis = OMGOMGOMG You totally gotta pick this one Shepard. Herpaderp.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

And off to MP I go..

 
The catalyst comes accross like a used car salesman, trying to push you towards the one they've been struggling to sell ;)
"well you could go for control if that works for you, but have a look at this fantastic synthesis choice over here. The world will be all rainbows and kittens!"

Modifié par TSA_383, 28 juillet 2012 - 05:54 .


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Simon_Says wrote...

About Gamescom.

inb4 They don't say anything of actual worth. Again.

Don't worry. I think we're all inb4 that.Posted Image

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If anyone is still here I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. It's getting slow. Posted Image


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smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


estebanus wrote...

Also I'm a pretty rich person, so it doesn't really matter to me if I have to pay 10€ for it.

Agreed.
Also,   € 10 of disposable income = pretty rich? I like this forum :lol:




I didn't want to seem like an ass. If you really wanna know it, I've got about 753.000€ In my bank.



You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:



Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

#54411
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Ugh, crappy internet is crappy. I'll try again later.

#54412
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estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


estebanus wrote...

Also I'm a pretty rich person, so it doesn't really matter to me if I have to pay 10€ for it.

Agreed.
Also,   € 10 of disposable income = pretty rich? I like this forum :lol:




I didn't want to seem like an ass. If you really wanna know it, I've got about 753.000€ In my bank.



You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:



Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

OMG that's like 57... dollars. Posted Image

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 About the reverse psychology. The catalyst also sounds annoyed at Shepard at low EMS with destroy. He made it pretty clear he doesn't like destroy too.
 
BTW, if destroy breaks the indoctrination/Hallucination... Why does Hackett sounds so happy in the destroy epilogue? Wouldn't the reapers want Shepard to feel bad for choosing destroy or something?

Wait, If Shepard broke the reapers' hold on him/her, why is the Hallucination even goes on? It should have stopped when Shepard shot the tube, no?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .


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HagarIshay wrote...

 About the reverse psychology. The catalyst also sounds annoyed at Shepard at low EMS with destroy. He made it pretty clear he doesn't like destroy too.
 
BTW, if destroy breaks the indoctrination/Hallucination... Why does Hackett sounds so happy in the destroy epilogue? Wouldn't the reapers want Shepard to feel bad for choosing destroy or something?

Wait, If Shepard broke the reapers' hold on him/her, why is the Hallucination even goes on? It should have stopped when Shepard shot the tube, no?

There are better reasons than mine but one of them is just because Shep broke the indoc attempt doesn't mean they have to wake up instantly. Hackett sounds happy to please literalists Posted Image. Seriously though it would be kind of obvious if he didn't.

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HagarIshay wrote...

Wait, If Shepard broke the reapers' hold on him/her, why is the Hallucination even goes on? It should have stopped when Shepard shot the tube, no?

Things to note:

-The catalyst disappears as soon as you shoot the tube (in the other two endings it lingers).
-As you continue shooting the tube, the sound gets more and more reverb and you get a bass "rushing" kind of effect, much like you have when coming around from dream sequences in movies and such.
-If you have enough EMS, you DO wake up. Destroy is the only ending that you can survive, even if we take the endings at face value (and I don't).

Then there's the whole thing with those two random soldiers seeming to have more fight in them in the destroy ending than in the others which is as-yet unexplained but surely means something as it's an entire new FMV that it doesn't make sense to have made...

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Time to grasp at some straws....
When you see the kid at the beginning of ME3 he has a kind of dream halo outline like thing around him in some of the scenes:

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Edit: Omg it really becomes obvious in this scene.... how have I missed this for so long?!

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TSA_383 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Wait, If Shepard broke the reapers' hold on him/her, why is the Hallucination even goes on? It should have stopped when Shepard shot the tube, no?

Things to note:

-The catalyst disappears as soon as you shoot the tube (in the other two endings it lingers).
-As you continue shooting the tube, the sound gets more and more reverb and you get a bass "rushing" kind of effect, much like you have when coming around from dream sequences in movies and such.
-If you have enough EMS, you DO wake up. Destroy is the only ending that you can survive, even if we take the endings at face value (and I don't).

Then there's the whole thing with those two random soldiers seeming to have more fight in them in the destroy ending than in the others which is as-yet unexplained but surely means something as it's an entire new FMV that it doesn't make sense to have made...

I find that last part very compelling. Isn't there something about a beam of sunlight in the FMV only?

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estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:

Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

Even better. :P

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HagarIshay wrote...

 About the reverse psychology. The catalyst also sounds annoyed at Shepard at low EMS with destroy. He made it pretty clear he doesn't like destroy too.
 
BTW, if destroy breaks the indoctrination/Hallucination... Why does Hackett sounds so happy in the destroy epilogue? Wouldn't the reapers want Shepard to feel bad for choosing destroy or something?

Wait, If Shepard broke the reapers' hold on him/her, why is the Hallucination even goes on? It should have stopped when Shepard shot the tube, no?

I don't trust destroy either, let's take the reapers interest in Shepard, particularly their option to take Shepard alive, it's not a priority but it is something they wanted, what if destroy actually destroys Shepard's mind, basically Shepard becomes a husk, now if we consider that a living Shepard merged with the reapers would be more useful to them, then destroy would annoy them.
Keep in mind I'm looking at this from the perspective that everything that takes place in the decision chamber is in Shepard's own mind, the reapers are in there too trying to take control of Shepard without damaging his/her brain.

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Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:

Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

Even better. :P

I think Estebanus is actually male, sorry to kill your fantasies. Nevermind, just keep thinking about it...

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Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:

Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

Even better. :P


Smokingotter rises
slow clap.
Audience joins in
becomes raucous applause.
Jillian Michaels comes down in parachute
gives Simon a trophy.

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Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...
You have 753 pesos?!:blink: holy **** (combs hair) you wouldn't happen to be single?:wub:

Sorry my friend. I've got a girlfriend already.

Even better. :P

I just burst out laughing when I got to this line "Men are not complicated."; yup, that about sums us up.

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TSA_383 wrote...
Things to note:

-The catalyst disappears as soon as you shoot the tube (in the other two endings it lingers).
-As you continue shooting the tube, the sound gets more and more reverb and you get a bass "rushing" kind of effect, much like you have when coming around from dream sequences in movies and such.
-If you have enough EMS, you DO wake up. Destroy is the only ending that you can survive, even if we take the endings at face value (and I don't).

Then there's the whole thing with those two random soldiers seeming to have more fight in them in the destroy ending than in the others which is as-yet unexplained but surely means something as it's an entire new FMV that it doesn't make sense to have made...


But if Shepard went of and blowed the reapers up, it means that they don't have their hold on Shepard. All the Normandy's cutscenes, the soldiers on Earth, Hackett's monologue shouldn't exist. It should right away go to Shepard waking up. If Shepard resisted the reapers, why is the hallucination they planted still going on?

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HagarIshay wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
Things to note:

-The catalyst disappears as soon as you shoot the tube (in the other two endings it lingers).
-As you continue shooting the tube, the sound gets more and more reverb and you get a bass "rushing" kind of effect, much like you have when coming around from dream sequences in movies and such.
-If you have enough EMS, you DO wake up. Destroy is the only ending that you can survive, even if we take the endings at face value (and I don't).

Then there's the whole thing with those two random soldiers seeming to have more fight in them in the destroy ending than in the others which is as-yet unexplained but surely means something as it's an entire new FMV that it doesn't make sense to have made...


But if Shepard went of and blowed the reapers up, it means that they don't have their hold on Shepard. All the Normandy's cutscenes, the soldiers on Earth, Hackett's monologue shouldn't exist. It should right away go to Shepard waking up. If Shepard resisted the reapers, why is the hallucination they planted still going on?

I said just because Shepard broke the indoc attempt doesn't mean he/she has to wake up immediately...

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Wow we really do talk about everything at the same time as discussing IT. From politics to religion to philosophy to lesbians, it's all here. Posted ImagePosted Image