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[smokingotter1]

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

[BansheeOwnage]

HagarIshay wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Probably because indoctrination doesn't make people go unconscious, and likewise doesn't wake them up. Shepard would most likely be knocked out by an external factor (APC crash, Harbinger's beam) as in the breath scene Shep's armour is a little worse for wear. When Shep wakes up, she will either be indoctrinated (as I see no reason for indoc killing her) or not indoctrinated. Queue appropriate consequences.

I'm maybe not following, but doesn't this means the hallucination wasn't planted by the reapers anyway?

The hallucination is in part formed by Shepard and in the rest is formed from indoctrination signals. But the indoc signals don't cause unconsiousness, and therefore, they do not cause consiousness.

[TheConstantOne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I said just because Shepard broke the indoc attempt doesn't mean he/she has to wake up immediately...

Right, but why?

Probably because indoctrination doesn't make people go unconscious, and likewise doesn't wake them up. Shepard would most likely be knocked out by an external factor (APC crash, Harbinger's beam) as in the breath scene Shep's armour is a little worse for wear. When Shep wakes up, she will either be indoctrinated (as I see no reason for indoc killing her) or not indoctrinated. Queue appropriate consequences.

Banshee brings up a good point here.  I do think that Shepard actually does make it to the Citadel in the lead up to the Catalyst room but some external jostling would make more sense as to what Shepard sees. 

Let's take this moment to consider the breath scene yet again: I say we take Bioware at their word.  The Citadel is where Shepard is lying... but no one ever said that rubble had to be caused by a gigantic Crucible explosion 
The rubble could quite likely be the remnants of a battle between Reaper forces and C-Sec + Citadel militias

[estebanus]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

HAHAHAHAHAHA:D:D:D:D

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jesus I didn't see that and there are arrows pointing to them. Not one of my finer moments.

Edit: I don't think it means much, if anything though.

If the arrows are pointing at the corners of the image, it doesnt mean anything at all. I have the darkened corners of the screen pretty much the entire game. Its just a thing ME3 does.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jesus I didn't see that and there are arrows pointing to them. Not one of my finer moments.

Edit: I don't think it means much, if anything though.

If the arrows are pointing at the corners of the image, it doesnt mean anything at all. I have the darkened corners of the screen pretty much the entire game. Its just a thing ME3 does.

Not only ME3. The witcher II also has this, as does MGS 3 and 4.

[Ageless Face]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Meta reason: Because skipping straight to the breath scene following picking destroy and then credits without showing the epilogue would be just about the same as confirming Indoctrination.

Not so meta reason: It has been wondered that the hallucination that follows is build more by Shepard than the Reapers, that he is imagining a good outcome for his crew in his weakened state. This off course is heavily disputed by Reject having nothing of the kind. 

But another possibility is that the Reapers are still trying to break Shepard. Even if he escapes once, he is not out of the danger zone with indoctrination, he just needs more time. Showing him a vision of him winning before he snaps back to reality could be a way of breaking his spirit.

Also something that is always interesting to note is that the Breath Scene happens after the entire Epilogue and "Paradise Planet" scenes.

So if I'm following, the reapers still have little control over Shepard, and they are trying to show Shepard a nice future that later when s/he wakes up would get him/her depressed so s/he'll have a hard time to continue the fight?

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

[DJBare]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Very interesting take on destroy. Back when the endings were first revealed to the world, I played with the idea of destroy causing Shep's synthetic components to die but organic parts to live in order to justify the significance of the synthesis choice.

With all the time that has passed since these initial speculations, I'm in the camp that destroy is breaking free of indoc.  I'd say that the new refusal ending plays a role similar to what you're describing:  if this is in Shepard's mind, then choosing not to act at all on what is before him/her, especially since one of those options is a way out created by his/her mind, then Shepard is basically giving up the fight and faces the death of the mind and, quite possibly, of the body as well

As I've stated before, if Hudson and Walters want to catch out as many players as possible in a twist, then every decision except reject is a trap, and destroy would certainly be a major trap since it's quite obvious most players would opt for it regardless of the threat to synthetics, just look at the "Which did you pick" votes; destroy always comes out on top, I highly suspect Hudson and Walters knew long ago that would be the outcome, they are going for the "Gotcha!"

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jesus I didn't see that and there are arrows pointing to them. Not one of my finer moments.

Edit: I don't think it means much, if anything though.

If the arrows are pointing at the corners of the image, it doesnt mean anything at all. I have the darkened corners of the screen pretty much the entire game. Its just a thing ME3 does.

Not only ME3. The witcher II also has this, as does MGS 3 and 4.

Ah yes, "darkened corners."

We have dismissed that claim.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:57 .

[smokingotter1]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jesus I didn't see that and there are arrows pointing to them. Not one of my finer moments.

Edit: I don't think it means much, if anything though.

If the arrows are pointing at the corners of the image, it doesnt mean anything at all. I have the darkened corners of the screen pretty much the entire game. Its just a thing ME3 does.

Not only ME3. The witcher II also has this, as does MGS 3 and 4.

Yeah I should have explained the red lines better... you guys realise I do most of my stuff in MS Paint.

I do have photoshop but it's way overpowered for simple screen grabs.

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Meta reason: Because skipping straight to the breath scene following picking destroy and then credits without showing the epilogue would be just about the same as confirming Indoctrination.

Not so meta reason: It has been wondered that the hallucination that follows is build more by Shepard than the Reapers, that he is imagining a good outcome for his crew in his weakened state. This off course is heavily disputed by Reject having nothing of the kind. 

But another possibility is that the Reapers are still trying to break Shepard. Even if he escapes once, he is not out of the danger zone with indoctrination, he just needs more time. Showing him a vision of him winning before he snaps back to reality could be a way of breaking his spirit.

Also something that is always interesting to note is that the Breath Scene happens after the entire Epilogue and "Paradise Planet" scenes.

So if I'm following, the reapers still have little control over Shepard, and they are trying to show Shepard a nice future that later when s/he wakes up would get him/her depressed so s/he'll have a hard time to continue the fight?

No, Shepard him/herself is imagining this to make him/herself believe it was the right choice.

Modifié par estebanus, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:55 .

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Not sure if insult...

[smokingotter1]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

[TheConstantOne]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I don't trust destroy either, let's take the reapers interest in Shepard, particularly their option to take Shepard alive, it's not a priority but it is something they wanted, what if destroy actually destroys Shepard's mind, basically Shepard becomes a husk, now if we consider that a living Shepard merged with the reapers would be more useful to them, then destroy would annoy them.
Keep in mind I'm looking at this from the perspective that everything that takes place in the decision chamber is in Shepard's own mind, the reapers are in there too trying to take control of Shepard without damaging his/her brain.

Very interesting take on destroy. Back when the endings were first revealed to the world, I played with the idea of destroy causing Shep's synthetic components to die but organic parts to live in order to justify the significance of the synthesis choice.

With all the time that has passed since these initial speculations, I'm in the camp that destroy is breaking free of indoc.  I'd say that the new refusal ending plays a role similar to what you're describing:  if this is in Shepard's mind, then choosing not to act at all on what is before him/her, especially since one of those options is a way out created by his/her mind, then Shepard is basically giving up the fight and faces the death of the mind and, quite possibly, of the body as well

An interesting think to note on the reject ending if we take it as Shepards mind breaking under the pressure, then the Crucible shutting down and the light disappearing from the area where Shepard is could very well be a representation of Shepards mind going dark, dying.

Just a though to add.

That's a good observation.  It also draws attention to the possibility beam serving as an symbolism for the state of Shepard's mind.

This compounds the strangeness surrounding the synthesis decision.  Running and merging with the symbolism of Shep's mind causes him to...create a universe essentially dominated by Reapers.

Makes you wonder if the Shepard we are controlling at this point *is* the delievery agent of indoctrination.  Destroy it, be controlled by it while thinking you control it (essentially the illusive man's path) or complete and willing submission (by merging the indoctrination "energy" to the beam (Shepard's mind)).

So we have yet another branch of the already wonderfully diverse IT haha

[BansheeOwnage]

DJBare wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Very interesting take on destroy. Back when the endings were first revealed to the world, I played with the idea of destroy causing Shep's synthetic components to die but organic parts to live in order to justify the significance of the synthesis choice.

With all the time that has passed since these initial speculations, I'm in the camp that destroy is breaking free of indoc.  I'd say that the new refusal ending plays a role similar to what you're describing:  if this is in Shepard's mind, then choosing not to act at all on what is before him/her, especially since one of those options is a way out created by his/her mind, then Shepard is basically giving up the fight and faces the death of the mind and, quite possibly, of the body as well

As I've stated before, if Hudson and Walters want to catch out as many players as possible in a twist, then every decision except reject is a trap, and destroy would certainly be a major trap since it's quite obvious most players would opt for it regardless of the threat to synthetics, just look at the "Which did you pick" votes; destroy always comes out on top, I highly suspect Hudson and Walters knew long ago that would be the outcome, they are going for the "Gotcha!"

I disagree simply because reject wasn't in the original and I don't think they planned EC. They'd have to have a winning solution in the base game.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

HagarIshay wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Meta reason: Because skipping straight to the breath scene following picking destroy and then credits without showing the epilogue would be just about the same as confirming Indoctrination.

Not so meta reason: It has been wondered that the hallucination that follows is build more by Shepard than the Reapers, that he is imagining a good outcome for his crew in his weakened state. This off course is heavily disputed by Reject having nothing of the kind. 

But another possibility is that the Reapers are still trying to break Shepard. Even if he escapes once, he is not out of the danger zone with indoctrination, he just needs more time. Showing him a vision of him winning before he snaps back to reality could be a way of breaking his spirit.

Also something that is always interesting to note is that the Breath Scene happens after the entire Epilogue and "Paradise Planet" scenes.

So if I'm following, the reapers still have little control over Shepard, and they are trying to show Shepard a nice future that later when s/he wakes up would get him/her depressed so s/he'll have a hard time to continue the fight?

Maybe not having a hard time continuing the fight, but he would be confused, maybe slightly depressed something the Reapers could use in a future attempt to gain control fo his mind.

But remember what those halucinatioons are, Reaper or Sheaprd, is up for debate.

[estebanus]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

I'm not sure if comparing masster blaster to Caboose is an insult to masster or to Caboose, but I know its an insult to one of them...

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jesus I didn't see that and there are arrows pointing to them. Not one of my finer moments.

Edit: I don't think it means much, if anything though.

If the arrows are pointing at the corners of the image, it doesnt mean anything at all. I have the darkened corners of the screen pretty much the entire game. Its just a thing ME3 does.

Not only ME3. The witcher II also has this, as does MGS 3 and 4.

Yeah I should have explained the red lines better... you guys realise I do most of my stuff in MS Paint.

I do have photoshop but it's way overpowered for simple screen grabs.

I made my new sig in paint

[MaximizedAction]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

what if...masster blaster is acculy dolan?

Jk, masster blaster is a fine contributer to this thread!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:58 .

[smokingotter1]

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

I joke, Massters blasster is pretty great, but man I'd hate to post on this forum from my phone, he is dedicated.

[DJBare]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I disagree simply because reject wasn't in the original and I don't think they planned EC. They'd have to have a winning solution in the base game.

Well, of course there is the human nature side, Hudson and Walters say FU with reject, "if you don't like our game ending this is what you get, now shut the f up."