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byne wrote...

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[hoodaticus]

dmay7 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I know lots of people have said this but mainly all the fans hate ME3's ending is because of The NORMANDY and the GOD Child.

No, its more because the endings make no damned sense.

If those two things were included in a sensible way, I doubt people would hate it as much.

Byne I understand what you say and yes it makes no sense what so ever but I can not see the Normandy run away from a fight and since Ash, and Garrus family's where on the Citidle the they would have vengance espcially Javik since we would rather die than run from the Reapers again.

'Tis why I said if they handled it in a sensible way.

Like, if they bothered giving some believable explanation for why the Normandy is fleeing.

I wasnt saying the current way the handled the Normandy made any sense at all.

There is no sensible reason for the Normandy to flee without her captain.  That's just retarded.

The only excuse would have to be that the Normandy was not fleeing at all.  It would have to be attacking something.  A very important something.

That's like Chewbacca leaving Han Solo behind. Or Spock leaving Kirk. Or Chief leaving Cortana (He came back for her), Normandy would NEVER leave Shepard behind without a good reason...a DAMNED good reason. Hell Joker took his Vrolik Syndrom butt and was kicking Collector butt trying to save Shepard from the Collectors.

True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

[HellishFiend]

dmay7 wrote...

That's like Chewbacca leaving Han Solo behind. Or Spock leaving Kirk. Or Chief leaving Cortana (He came back for her), Normandy would NEVER leave Shepard behind without a good reason...a DAMNED good reason. Hell Joker took his Vrolik Syndrom butt and was kicking Collector butt trying to save Shepard from the Collectors.

Come to think of it, I cant think of a time in science fiction when a ship abandons its commanding officer. I can, however, think of several occassions where the commanding officer tries to get his ship to flee to protect itself, but they insist on staying out of loyalty to the commander/captain. 

And then there's Malcolm Reynolds, who always insists that his ship protect him at all costs, even in extreme danger, but that's an edge case. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[HellishFiend]

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

[hoodaticus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Come to think of it, I cant think of a time in science fiction when a ship abandons its commanding officer. I can, however, think of several occassions where the commanding officer tries to get his ship to flee to protect itself, but they insist on staying out of loyalty to the commander/captain.

Exactly.

However, those ships will gleefully engage in space battles while the captain is ashore.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

Besides, Cerberus is a history at that point. They are in disarray.

[masster blaster]

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[hoodaticus]

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

I never knew it was several jumps away.  With precision jumps, it would only take a minute to make a repeat jump anyway at relativistic sublight speeds; however, the notion that the few surviving Cerberus ships that fled through the first relay would survive to see the second and third are... poor, given the reload rate of Normandy's main gun and the fact that it cuts through heavy cruisers like Oprah cuts cheese.

[masster blaster]

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

[Xellith]

I believe it to be an indoctrination dream. I sometimes have doubts.. but my theory would expect me to have doubts.. so its kinda circular and "arrgghhhhh" to me lol.

[HellishFiend]

hoodaticus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

I never knew it was several jumps away.  With precision jumps, it would only take a minute to make a repeat jump anyway at relativistic sublight speeds; however, the notion that the few surviving Cerberus ships that fled through the first relay would survive to see the second and third are... poor, given the reload rate of Normandy's main gun and the fact that it cuts through heavy cruisers like Oprah cuts cheese.

Not to mention the probability of being knocked out of any type of FTL travel, relay or otherwise, and crash landing on a garden world is so astronomically low that it would literally require calculus to figure out. 

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

He might still have to do it if he ends up being indoctrinated or if they are indoctrinated and start to attack him. Same thing Javik had to do to his crewmates.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 02:09 .

[hoodaticus]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

Besides, Cerberus is a history at that point. They are in disarray.

That doesn't mean a couple cruisers and a few frigates didn't survive - the ones that didn't make it in time to defend the base, for instance.  I doubt the actual size of Cerberus's fleets are contained anywhere but TIM's head - Cerberus doesn't share information, after all - it compartmentalizes it.

But this is just OT speculation anyway, so I'm gonna give you guys the last word on that.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 24 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

My one and only opinion of Jokers' fleeing scene, is Shep 'somehow' managed a quick--GET OUT OF HERE!!, just before the Citadel detonated.

In Sheps' head of course..............

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

I never knew it was several jumps away.  With precision jumps, it would only take a minute to make a repeat jump anyway at relativistic sublight speeds; however, the notion that the few surviving Cerberus ships that fled through the first relay would survive to see the second and third are... poor, given the reload rate of Normandy's main gun and the fact that it cuts through heavy cruisers like Oprah cuts cheese.

Not to mention the probability of being knocked out of any type of FTL travel, relay or otherwise, and crash landing on a garden world is so astronomically low that it would literally require calculus to figure out. 

The probability of simply surviving getting knocked out of FTL travel is astronomically low on its own, even without those other factors.

So sayeth the codex:

If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal Cherenkov radiation.

Modifié par byne, 24 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

He might still have to do it if he ends up being indoctrinated or they are indoctrinated and start to attack him. Same thing Javik had to do to his crewmates.

After ME2, I wanted so bad for them to include a divergent plot line for siding with Cerberus. I felt there was a ton of potential there. But with the direction that the overarching plot took, it wasnt possible. Still, it would be cool if we could get a darkspawn chronicles-esque DLC chapter where we could play our Shepard as a Reaper/Cerberus agent or something. 

[paxxton]

hoodaticus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
True, but if a Cerberus fleet had just jumped in at Charon, they may very well have just run over there real quick to Thanix it into oblivion before returning.

In that case, how did they end up on a garden world that appears to be a world we've seen before, that is actually several relay jumps away?

Besides, Cerberus is a history at that point. They are in disarray.

That doesn't mean a couple cruisers and a few frigates didn't survive - the ones that didn't make it in time to defend the base, for instance.  I doubt the actual size of Cerberus's fleets are contained anywhere but TIM's head - Cerberus doesn't share information, after all - it compartmentalizes it.

But this is just OT speculation anyway, so I'm gonna give you guys the last word on that.

It's hard to tell cause we're talking about a dream. There's no reason for the Normandy to have a reason to flee.

[masster blaster]

I still want Shepard to be with his/her love interest again but if they keep the ending as it is then they should add a cut scene where Shepard holds his/love interest in his/her arms and cry for a bit as he,or she talks to them as your love interest dies. Then Shepard get' angry and takes on the Reaper forces head on in the Mako ramming over everything in his or her path. Then finds Harby and Tim takes out the Nuke Rocket launcher then plus the trigger down so many times that here is nothing left of Harby and Tim. Then Shepard dies from the Wounds he, or she got inflicted on.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 mai 2012 - 02:15 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not to mention the probability of being knocked out of any type of FTL travel, relay or otherwise, and crash landing on a garden world is so astronomically low that it would literally require calculus to figure out. 

The probability of simply surviving getting knocked out of FTL travel is astronomically low on its own, even without those other factors.

So sayeth the codex:

If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal Cherenkov radiation.

Exactly. The probability is so low that a calculus limit would have to be used to calculate it, because the  value would be so extreme, that it would begin to approach infinity (or zero, to be exact). 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 mai 2012 - 02:14 .

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

He might still have to do it if he ends up being indoctrinated or if they are indoctrinated and start to attack him. Same thing Javik had to do to his crewmates.

It would be bitter sweet if Shepard had to kill everyone he/she caries about, instead of protecting them as he/she always has been. Sorry if I miss Spelled anything.

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...

I still want Shepard to be with his/her love interest again but if they keep the ending as it is then they should add a cut scene where Shepard holds his/love interest in his/her arms and cry for a bit as he,or she talks to them as your love interest dies. Then Shepard get' angry and takes on the Reaper forces head on in the Mako ramming over everything in his or her path. Then finds Harby and Tim takes out the Nuke Rocket launcher then plus the trigger down so many times that here is nothing left of Harby and Tim. Then Shepard dies from the Wounds he, or she got inflicted on.

That is far too cliche and straightforward for Bioware. I dont think Bioware has ever done a traditional ending like the one you describe. 

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

He might still have to do it if he ends up being indoctrinated or if they are indoctrinated and start to attack him. Same thing Javik had to do to his crewmates.

It would be bitter sweet if Shepard had to kill everyone he/she caries about, instead of protecting them as he/she always has been. Sorry if I miss Spelled anything.

They could even build a little slaughterhouse for Shepard to kill everyone.  Just kidding. Mass Effect is not Texas Chainsaw Massacre so let's not make a psycho out of Commander Shepard. 

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wish Shepard could be a Cerberus agent in ME3 but it would have made the game to easy unless you have to kill the Normandy/Crew and everyone you ever helped in ME1 and ME2.

He might still have to do it if he ends up being indoctrinated or they are indoctrinated and start to attack him. Same thing Javik had to do to his crewmates.

After ME2, I wanted so bad for them to include a divergent plot line for siding with Cerberus. I felt there was a ton of potential there. But with the direction that the overarching plot took, it wasnt possible. Still, it would be cool if we could get a darkspawn chronicles-esque DLC chapter where we could play our Shepard as a Reaper/Cerberus agent or something. 

Ya that would be cool and I don't mind taking Joker out for running away with my crew,ship,andLove intrest.

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I still want Shepard to be with his/her love interest again but if they keep the ending as it is then they should add a cut scene where Shepard holds his/love interest in his/her arms and cry for a bit as he,or she talks to them as your love interest dies. Then Shepard get' angry and takes on the Reaper forces head on in the Mako ramming over everything in his or her path. Then finds Harby and Tim takes out the Nuke Rocket launcher then plus the trigger down so many times that here is nothing left of Harby and Tim. Then Shepard dies from the Wounds he, or she got inflicted on.

That is far too cliche and straightforward for Bioware. I dont think Bioware has ever done a traditional ending like the one you describe. 

Ya but it would be very dramatic that no matter how hard Shepard tries to save everyone his/her love intrest dies depending on your war assents, and chocies you made. Sorry Miss Spelled.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not to mention the probability of being knocked out of any type of FTL travel, relay or otherwise, and crash landing on a garden world is so astronomically low that it would literally require calculus to figure out. 

The probability of simply surviving getting knocked out of FTL travel is astronomically low on its own, even without those other factors.

So sayeth the codex:

If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal Cherenkov radiation.

Exactly. The probability is so low that a calculus limit would have to be used to calculate it, because the  value would be so extreme, that it would begin to approach infinity (or zero, to be exact). 

Well, that would explain why it looks like the Normandy  gets snapped 360 degress when it explodes. Explains how it's in one piece on the jungle planet not so much,