55528 réponses à ce sujet

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

what if...masster blaster is acculy dolan?

Jk, masster blaster is a fine contributer to this thread!

Yes he is well intentioned and has some good ideas. I just have trouble figuring out when he does...

[byne]

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

I joke, Massters blasster is pretty great, but man I'd hate to post on this forum from my phone, he is dedicated.

Is that  why his spelling sucks so hard? Because that sounds like an excuse to me. When he first started posting here he claimed his spelling errors were due to him watching American Pie, which never made any sense either.

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

what if...masster blaster is acculy dolan?

Jk, masster blaster is a fine contributer to this thread!

Even though he does have some starnge ideas, like Anderson telling Shepard he was born in London being a test, or that combining IT theories and non-IT theories would somehow make the ultimate mega-theory.

[BansheeOwnage]

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I disagree simply because reject wasn't in the original and I don't think they planned EC. They'd have to have a winning solution in the base game.

Well, of course there is the human nature side, Hudson and Walters say FU with reject, "if you don't like our game ending this is what you get, now shut the f up."

I really hope that's not true, but I felt a little trolled when I played it.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

I joke, Massters blasster is pretty great, but man I'd hate to post on this forum from my phone, he is dedicated.

Is that  why his spelling sucks so hard? Because that sounds like an excuse to me. When he first started posting here he claimed his spelling errors were due to him watching American Pie, which never made any sense either.

That really makes no sense. I just think he's dyslexic.

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I disagree simply because reject wasn't in the original and I don't think they planned EC. They'd have to have a winning solution in the base game.

Well, of course there is the human nature side, Hudson and Walters say FU with reject, "if you don't like our game ending this is what you get, now shut the f up."

I really hope that's not true, but I felt a little trolled when I played it.

I didn't. I loved it!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

estebanus wrote...

Even though he does have some starnge ideas, like Anderson telling Shepard he was born in London being a test, or that combining IT theories and non-IT theories would somehow make the ultimate mega-theory.

Sounds alot like Synthesis to me

[lex0r11]

Masster blasster without typos? GET OUTTA HERE!

A black hole would form right under his post, devouring all of BSN.

[smokingotter1]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

I joke, Massters blasster is pretty great, but man I'd hate to post on this forum from my phone, he is dedicated.

Is that  why his spelling sucks so hard? Because that sounds like an excuse to me. When he first started posting here he claimed his spelling errors were due to him watching American Pie, which never made any sense either.

That really makes no sense. I just think he's dyslexic.

When I'm texting spelling just goes out the window.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I disagree simply because reject wasn't in the original and I don't think they planned EC. They'd have to have a winning solution in the base game.

Well, of course there is the human nature side, Hudson and Walters say FU with reject, "if you don't like our game ending this is what you get, now shut the f up."

I really hope that's not true, but I felt a little trolled when I played it.

"You dont like our Deus Ex Machina? Fine, well then Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies. How about that?"

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

Because No matter what choice s/he makes, s/he is not sure of that choice. The epilogue you see is Shepard imagining what s/he thinks will happen after each choice.

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Even though he does have some starnge ideas, like Anderson telling Shepard he was born in London being a test, or that combining IT theories and non-IT theories would somehow make the ultimate mega-theory.

Sounds alot like Synthesis to me

That's what I outright told him.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Don't worry guys at the next Comiccon I'll make sure I ask Casey Hudson three important questions:

1. How can I get a job at Bioware?
2. What is your opinion in regards to the lesbian singularity?
3. Where was David Anderson born?

This is a great plan! [/Caboose]

Uhm, I may be missing something here, but who is Caboose?

Red vs. Blue. Halarious character. Reminds me a bit of massterblasster.

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

Not nice.

I joke, Massters blasster is pretty great, but man I'd hate to post on this forum from my phone, he is dedicated.

Is that  why his spelling sucks so hard? Because that sounds like an excuse to me. When he first started posting here he claimed his spelling errors were due to him watching American Pie, which never made any sense either.

Posting on your phone really isn't an excuse.  I've done it sometimes, and while it is more difficult, there's no reason why you can't spell just as well on a phone as you can on a full size keyboard.  Barring any occasional mishaps with the spell checker, right Byne?  (Think back a few weeks and you'll remember what I'm referring to, lol. )

[Simon_Says]

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

The implication was rather strong, and as was discussed earlier it's possible the Catalyst implied and not stated in order to make destroy look like the jerk option.
Destroy: Possible survival at signficiant expense to others and the future still faces the synthetic apocalypse.
Control/Synthesis: Shepard's legacy lives on to protect the galaxy and no one else dying on Shepard's account.
Tell me, what sounds more heroic?

Also, it would be actual death. Recall that Shepbinger talks about Shepard as a different entity altogether. The codex also talks about the impossibility of copying/transfering intelligence between platforms (hardware-bound intelligences anyway) and Grunt demonstrated how one can imprint memory and knowledge but fail to implant connection to them. This of course assumes the literal ending. But even in IT, control represents the 'death' of Shepard and only Shepard's legacy (as a reaper intelligence) continuing.

It's also possible that Control doesn't result in an indoctrinated Shepard, but a personality disemination of Shepard's psyche to the reaper collective, similar to what Legion does for the geth. I forgot who originally proposed this idea, and I think they originally suggested it for happening in Synthesis and not Control, but I think Control matches it more. I like this idea as it turns the Catalyst's words into a pseudo-truth and not an outright lie. Makes him more of a magnificent bastard than a little pissant.

As for pissiness, you have to realize the reapers' real goal: harvest the cycle with as few losses and as least resistance as possible. Shepard (and the other major leaders in London at the time: Anderson, Victus, Wrex/Wreav, etc.) represent the best hope to end the war. Destroy ends it on the council cycle's terms. Reject ends with a stalemate: the reapers will win but not easily and not without incident. Control and Synthesis end the war on the reapers' terms: Control has the cycle pacified, Synthesis has the cycle walking into the vats willingly.

Therefore in the EMS scenarios...
Low-EMS Destroy: Shepard is useless, thus is forced/allowed to die. Earth is razed.
Low-EMS Control: Shepard is marginally useful. Peace won but resistance is still heavy, hence Earth is razed.
Mid-EMS: Control and Destroy no longer raze the galaxy. In Control this signifies that Indoc!Shepard was more capable of negotiating a ceasefire. Destroy I think means Shepard actually makes victory possible, but doesn't survive themself.*
Higher-EMS: Synthesis made available. Shepard has enough influence with the galaxy that an Indoc!Shepard can succesfully maneuver it to willingly accept indoctrination/modified huskification.
High-EMS: Destroy now allows Shepard to survive resisting the indoctrination attempt through sufficient backup.

*It's possible that the breath scene occurs after Shepard woke up, wins the fight but in the process was knocked back down. We only assumed that the breath scene is Shepard waking up from the dream. Alternatively, if we consider my destructive feedback idea** then it's at this point that it's now possible for Shepard to send a strong enough feedback through the hallucination back to the reapers to harm them enough for the council cycle to beat them.

**The destructive feedback idea I think could only work if the Crucible was an indoctrination/dedoctrination device. Control: personality dissemination of Shepard to reaper forces. Synthesis: a powerful indoctrination wave. Destroy: a powerful dedoctrination wave. It would also explain why Starbrat just runs when Shepard marches to destroy instead of taunting them "SO BE IT".

Modifié par Simon_Says, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .

[smokingotter1]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

Because No matter what choice s/he makes, s/he is not sure of that choice. The epilogue you see is Shepard imagining what s/he thinks will happen after each choice.

Also in Arrival its established that the reapers can plant images in Shepard's mind.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

Because No matter what choice s/he makes, s/he is not sure of that choice. The epilogue you see is Shepard imagining what s/he thinks will happen after each choice.

And conveniently, what you see happen fits perfectly with the random visions of the future you get when the godchild explains the three options, meaning either Shepard can see the future, or it isnt really happening.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Noe tihs remminds me off masster blasster

I use mye phone 2 make postss so spellring is harrd.

what if...masster blaster is acculy dolan?

Jk, masster blaster is a fine contributer to this thread!

Even though he does have some starnge ideas, like Anderson telling Shepard he was born in London being a test, or that combining IT theories and non-IT theories would somehow make the ultimate mega-theory.

"The chain reaction will combine all literalist and ITers into a new framework. A new... thread."
"IT and literalist, intertwined. A union of logic and stubbornness. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither! I am a vision of the future Shepard."
Synthesis is not the answer.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

Because No matter what choice s/he makes, s/he is not sure of that choice. The epilogue you see is Shepard imagining what s/he thinks will happen after each choice.

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Posting on your phone really isn't an excuse.  I've done it sometimes, and while it is more difficult, there's no reason why you can't spell just as well on a phone as you can on a full size keyboard.  Barring any occasional mishaps with the spell checker, right Byne?  (Think back a few weeks and you'll remember what I'm referring to, lol. )

I totally dont know what you're talking about. Did I make a spelling error? Did you? Did someone else?

I'm so confused.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Posting on your phone really isn't an excuse.  I've done it sometimes, and while it is more difficult, there's no reason why you can't spell just as well on a phone as you can on a full size keyboard.  Barring any occasional mishaps with the spell checker, right Byne?  (Think back a few weeks and you'll remember what I'm referring to, lol. )

I totally dont know what you're talking about. Did I make a spelling error? Did you? Did someone else?

I'm so confused.

Remember a few weeks back when my phone "corrected" Byne as Buns?  Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Posting on your phone really isn't an excuse.  I've done it sometimes, and while it is more difficult, there's no reason why you can't spell just as well on a phone as you can on a full size keyboard.  Barring any occasional mishaps with the spell checker, right Byne?  (Think back a few weeks and you'll remember what I'm referring to, lol. )

I totally dont know what you're talking about. Did I make a spelling error? Did you? Did someone else?

I'm so confused.

Remember a few weeks back when my phone "corrected" Byne as Buns?  Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.

Oh right! And I still knew you meant me because I assumed you were referring to my gamertag, which is Bunster.

Good times.

[TheConstantOne]

DJBare wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Very interesting take on destroy. Back when the endings were first revealed to the world, I played with the idea of destroy causing Shep's synthetic components to die but organic parts to live in order to justify the significance of the synthesis choice.

With all the time that has passed since these initial speculations, I'm in the camp that destroy is breaking free of indoc.  I'd say that the new refusal ending plays a role similar to what you're describing:  if this is in Shepard's mind, then choosing not to act at all on what is before him/her, especially since one of those options is a way out created by his/her mind, then Shepard is basically giving up the fight and faces the death of the mind and, quite possibly, of the body as well

As I've stated before, if Hudson and Walters want to catch out as many players as possible in a twist, then every decision except reject is a trap, and destroy would certainly be a major trap since it's quite obvious most players would opt for it regardless of the threat to synthetics, just look at the "Which did you pick" votes; destroy always comes out on top, I highly suspect Hudson and Walters knew long ago that would be the outcome, they are going for the "Gotcha!"

I agree that they're going for some kind of surprise.  With all of the different directions that IT could go, I'm pretty sure whoever is right is going to be somewhat surprised that they were correct haha

I think that reject is the submit to defeat option largely because of two things: (1) the breath scene and (2) the stargazer scene.

The breath scene only plays in the destroy ending.  I think we can all agree that Shepard surviving requires more than just his/her body to survive.  If Sheaprd's resolve is taken away, the character we knew is destroyed and thus dead even if the body wakes up as an indoctrinated agent. So for us to be shown a clip of Shep's survival only in destroy, and judging by what we consider Shepard's survival to mean, I'd say that destroy is a valid choice

The stargazer scene is presented as a hook that there is more to be told.  So I do take this scene as being real but taking place far in the future.  The reject ending features new species having this discussion in place of humans...so reject does seem to be a genuine defeat.

Still, regardless of what choice turns out to be the best, I think there is a hidden "gotcha" waiting in the wings that few anticipate.  And I think the synthesis choice allusdes to this hidden surprise.  I am a big fan of the premise of synthesis from a philosophical standpoint and spent a long time looking at why the option is presented the way it is.  I've come to the belief that it is a bad choice that touches on something far more sinister than just indoctrination or forced modification...but we'll have to wait and see

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

Well, you see him talking to people, and it kind of looks like a classroom setting, so I assumed that he'd become a teacher after to war.  Or perhaps more accurately, that Shepard THOUGHT he would become a teacher after the war, which, quite frankly, makes no sense what so ever.

Modifié par Dwailing, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:10 .