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[estebanus]

Has Hellishfiend actually finished his next "choose wisely" video?

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

Well, you see him talking to people, and it kind of looks like a classroom setting, so I assumed that he'd become a teacher after to war.  Or perhaps more accurately, that Shepard THOUGHT he would become a teacher after the war, which, quite frankly, makes no sense what so ever.

Isn't it possible that he became an instructor on an alliance academy?

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
No, it means that the reapers used Shepard's unconscious state and now weakened mind to implant the hallucination.

So Shepard is still unconscious after choosing destroy. This part I understand. But why the hallucination itself continues?

Because No matter what choice s/he makes, s/he is not sure of that choice. The epilogue you see is Shepard imagining what s/he thinks will happen after each choice.

And conveniently, what you see happen fits perfectly with the random visions of the future you get when the godchild explains the three options, meaning either Shepard can see the future, or it isnt really happening.

I don't know why no one is mentioning those visions during our speculations! Them being 'just' 4th wall breaks would violate our first person perspective of the story.

BTW: that makes me think. I know of one instance in a story, where the whole story was in 1st person, except for one small part in it, where it switched to 3rd person:
American Psycho (the book). If you know the story, you might know (or guess) where it does that -- don't want to spoil anyone. I can recommend both, book and movie!
And the point where it does that, if equivalent to where these 'flashforwards' happen in ME3, perfectly fits with IT.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

He isn't in destroy. That slide is another sign control and synthesis aren't quite right.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

Well, you see him talking to people, and it kind of looks like a classroom setting, so I assumed that he'd become a teacher after to war.  Or perhaps more accurately, that Shepard THOUGHT he would become a teacher after the war, which, quite frankly, makes no sense what so ever.

Isn't it possible that he became an instructor on an alliance academy?

Well, if you mean a military academy, I would say no, given that if it was a military academy the guys he's speaking to would be wearing uniforms.  However, if you mean something to the effect of Grissom Academy... well, he'd still be a teacher, which I don't really see as a life for Jacob.

[KJSync]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

[BansheeOwnage]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. We need info!

[smokingotter1]

Brazukka wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

I don't recall that much about Jacob ... he kind of got character assasinated, I feel bed for the 5 people who choose to romance him.

Jacob tells you he loves you... but the lies...

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

He isn't in destroy. That slide is another sign control and synthesis aren't quite right.

What about the fact the Grunt is never in synthesis. (Because of his "perfect" genes?)

Or this slide.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

I don't recall that much about Jacob ... he kind of got character assasinated, I feel bed for the 5 people who choose to romance him.

Jacob tells you he loves you... but the lies...

Ohmygod Jacob is the catalyst!

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

Well, you see him talking to people, and it kind of looks like a classroom setting, so I assumed that he'd become a teacher after to war.  Or perhaps more accurately, that Shepard THOUGHT he would become a teacher after the war, which, quite frankly, makes no sense what so ever.

Isn't it possible that he became an instructor on an alliance academy?

The movie is called End03_D_FlashForward_JacobTeacher

[RavenEyry]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. We need info!

Those sound worryingly like the whole 'indoc was cut at the last minute argument'.

Or hopefully they just decided to make it less obvious.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

He isn't in destroy. That slide is another sign control and synthesis aren't quite right.

Uh, I just checked, and he is a teacher in both Destroy and Control, and I'm guessing he is in Synthesis as well.

[byne]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

I don't recall that much about Jacob ... he kind of got character assasinated, I feel bed for the 5 people who choose to romance him.

Jacob tells you he loves you... but the lies...

I never really cared for Jacob, but I find it kind of weird that BioWare decided to make the black guy the one who runs off, cheats on you, and knocks up another woman. Stereotypes are fun!

Also:

Shep: How long have you known Brynn?
Jacob: About a year now.

Shep was only in lockdown for six months...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What about the fact the Grunt is never in synthesis. (Because of his "perfect" genes?)

Or this slide.

(Snip)

Yeah, really how is that even possible? Keiji´s Greybox contained memories not a complete AI copy of himself...so unless that...thing...is simply a very advanced VI then we got another case of Space Magic...also dosent this one appear even if you convinced Kasumi to destroy the greybox? 

Edit: Oh and I got new Avatar and Sig...needed something new.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[Simon_Says]

MaximizedAction wrote...

I don't know why no one is mentioning those visions during our speculations! Them being 'just' 4th wall breaks would violate our first person perspective of the story.

BTW: that makes me think. I know of one instance in a story, where the whole story was in 1st person, except for one small part in it, where it switched to 3rd person:
American Psycho (the book). If you know the story, you might know (or guess) where it does that -- don't want to spoil anyone. I can recommend both, book and movie!
And the point where it does that, if equivalent to where these 'flashforwards' happen in ME3, perfectly fits with IT.

>"Make the call."
>Saren's freakout.
>"Make sure we don't lose (Shepard)"
>The reapers power up.
>The opening texts to each game.

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...
Uh, I just checked, and he is a teacher in both Destroy and Control, and I'm guessing he is in Synthesis as well.

Huh, the list of slides TSA showed us had Jacob with a crying women in destroy and teaching in the other two, maybe it was a different criteria.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. We need info!

Those sound worryingly like the whole 'indoc was cut at the last minute argument'.

Or hopefully they just decided to make it less obvious.

To me it sounds like they took out some lines that made IT obvious. Femshep's "trap" line is the most interesting IMO. Why would they talk about the citadel or relays being a trap, if we knew that since ME1? I think she's talking about the crucible. The cucible being a trap is the only way to excuse its existence.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

He isn't in destroy. That slide is another sign control and synthesis aren't quite right.

What about the fact the Grunt is never in synthesis. (Because of his "perfect" genes?)

Or this slide.

I hate that slide. Why move on from your dead lover like he wanted you to, when you can immerse yourself in a false image of him for the rest of your life? 

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

I don't recall that much about Jacob ... he kind of got character assasinated, I feel bed for the 5 people who choose to romance him.

Jacob tells you he loves you... but the lies...

I never really cared for Jacob, but I find it kind of weird that BioWare decided to make the black guy the one who runs off, cheats on you, and knocks up another woman. Stereotypes are fun!

Also:

Shep: How long have you known Brynn?
Jacob: About a year now.

Shep was only in lockdown for six months...

ME3's Jacob seemed all kinds of strange to me.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. We need info!

Those sound worryingly like the whole 'indoc was cut at the last minute argument'.

Or hopefully they just decided to make it less obvious.

I don't know.  I'm not sure what I think about that dialogue.  I mean, the Anderson/TIM stuff was interesting, but... I don't know if they really mean anything.  The dialogue with Star-Brat was more heavily slanted towards Synthesis and against Destroy, but I'm not sure what that could mean.  I'm just thinking that it was removed to make things less obvious.

[KJSync]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

I dont recall Jacob ever becoming a teacher...

He became a teacher in my last playthrough

I don't recall that much about Jacob ... he kind of got character assasinated, I feel bed for the 5 people who choose to romance him.

Jacob tells you he loves you... but the lies...

Ohmygod Jacob is the catalyst!

if he is the catalyst then i will got him killed during the suicide mission,problem solved!

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

Shep: How long have you known Brynn?
Jacob: About a year now.

Shep was only in lockdown for six months...

It kinda implies he was cheating on Brynn with Shepard instead of the other way around.


And about those 'fourth wall breaks', I think it's important to note that Shep reacts as if they'd seen the flashes.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

I never really cared for Jacob, but I find it kind of weird that BioWare decided to make the black guy the one who runs off, cheats on you, and knocks up another woman. Stereotypes are fun!

Also:

Shep: How long have you known Brynn?
Jacob: About a year now.

Shep was only in lockdown for six months...

But he worked for Cerberus before going of with Shepard against the Collectors. He might have known Brynn from his earlier work within Cerberus.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Although I STILL don't get why Shep's mind made Jacob a... teacher, of all things.  I mean come ON!  Jacob's a nice guy, and he's not an idiot, but a TEACHER?!  Seriously Shepard's Brain?

He isn't in destroy. That slide is another sign control and synthesis aren't quite right.

Uh, I just checked, and he is a teacher in both Destroy and Control, and I'm guessing he is in Synthesis as well.

No in synthesis you see him with Brynn caring for the survivers.
End03_s_FlashForward_JacobLondon