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[DJBare]

TheConstantOne wrote...
Still, regardless of what choice turns out to be the best, I think there is a hidden "gotcha" waiting in the wings that few anticipate.  And I think the synthesis choice allusdes to this hidden surprise.  I am a big fan of the premise of synthesis from a philosophical standpoint and spent a long time looking at why the option is presented the way it is.  I've come to the belief that it is a bad choice that touches on something far more sinister than just indoctrination or forced modification...but we'll have to wait and see

Well, the victims do see what the reapers want them to see, it's how that manipulate, turning friends into traitors and all that jazz, if the reapers are inside Shepard's head then each of the visions from each of the choices could be reaper manipulation, consider a scenario using synthesis as an example, here is my extended cut to the extended cut...
Shepard jumps into the beam, the process takes place, in Shepard's mind we see the galaxy at peace, rebuilding, no distinction between organic and synthetic, a real utopia, then the camera pans out, first we see a world, then it pans out more and we see a galaxy, then it pans out more and begins to look suspiciously like brain synapse, then the camera pans out further to reveal Shepard's head and body grotesquely merged with other organics, the camera then pans right out to reveal they are all inside a reaper shell.
Synthesis at it's finest.

[BansheeOwnage]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What about the fact the Grunt is never in synthesis. (Because of his "perfect" genes?)

Or this slide.

(Snip)

Yeah, really how is that even possible? Keiji´s Greybox contained memories not a complete AI copy of himself...so unless that...thing...is simply a very advanced VI then we got another case of Space Magic...also dosent this one appear even if you convinced Kasumi to destroy the greybox? 

Edit: Oh and I got new Avatar and Sig...needed something new.

Ctrl-Alt-Del NICE!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:27 .

[byne]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

byne wrote...

I never really cared for Jacob, but I find it kind of weird that BioWare decided to make the black guy the one who runs off, cheats on you, and knocks up another woman. Stereotypes are fun!

Also:

Shep: How long have you known Brynn?
Jacob: About a year now.

Shep was only in lockdown for six months...

But he worked for Cerberus before going of with Shepard against the Collectors. He might have known Brynn from his earlier work within Cerberus.

Unless Brynn worked on Project Lazarus, I doubt it. Jacob was working on Project Lazarus ever since they first got Shep's body.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Edit: Oh and I got new Avatar and Sig...needed something new.

Ctrl-Alt-Del NICE!

Thats the reason my backup name for godchild is the Task Manager.

[Arian Dynas]

Eryri wrote...

DJBare wrote...

TIM taking his own life is something that's never made sense to me, TIM is an "At any cost" type of guy, certainly he seems to lack a conscious for his actions, then Shepard with a few words causes TIM to put a gun to his own head?, this part to me is an illusion, an overlay of Saren's suicide.

Yes I thought that too. TIM's death is what might charitably be called an "homage" to Saren's death in ME1, (which is po-mo artsy talk for a bit of a rip off). On first seeing it I was a bit diappointed that Bioware seemed to be recycling the same means of dispatching the second tier villain of the story - I thought they must have run out of ideas. After reading this thread however, I'm not so sure...

It's not really a rip off, it's a book end, a repetition, meant to draw similarities and such between the two situations.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Ctrl-Alt-Del NICE!

Not my idea and cant remember who first posted it, but it is a lovely comparision.

[Simon_Says]

DJBare wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
Still, regardless of what choice turns out to be the best, I think there is a hidden "gotcha" waiting in the wings that few anticipate.  And I think the synthesis choice allusdes to this hidden surprise.  I am a big fan of the premise of synthesis from a philosophical standpoint and spent a long time looking at why the option is presented the way it is.  I've come to the belief that it is a bad choice that touches on something far more sinister than just indoctrination or forced modification...but we'll have to wait and see

Well, the victims do see what the reapers want them to see, it's how that manipulate, turning friends into traitors and all that jazz, if the reapers are inside Shepard's head then each of the visions from each of the choices could be reaper manipulation, consider a scenario using synthesis as an example, here is my extended cut to the extended cut...
Shepard jumps into the beam, the process takes place, in Shepard's mind we see the galaxy at peace, rebuilding, no distinction between organic and synthetic, a real utopia, then the camera pans out, first we see a world, then it pans out more and we see a galaxy, then it pans out more and begins to look suspiciously like brain synapse, then the camera pans out further to reveal Shepard's head and body grotesquely merged with other organics, the camera then pans right out to reveal they are all inside a reaper shell.
Synthesis at it's finest.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg651/scaled.php?server=651&filename=61666373.jpg&res=landing

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Edit: Oh and I got new Avatar and Sig...needed something new.

Ctrl-Alt-Del NICE!

Thats the reason my backup name for godchild is the Task Manager.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Uh, I just checked, and he is a teacher in both Destroy and Control, and I'm guessing he is in Synthesis as well.

Huh, the list of slides TSA showed us had Jacob with a crying women in destroy and teaching in the other two, maybe it was a different criteria.

The crying woman slide shows up in addition to the teacher slide, I think.

[MegumiAzusa]

btw I always wondered why no one commented on some of Harbingers lines, I mean he's throwing them out 24/7 and it's like no one hears him. Especially in the last bit where Harbinger speaks through the Seeker Swarm, I don't think they would be capable to produce that if they don't directly project it into Shepard's mind.

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

...

Uh... actually most theoretical physicists DON'T use string theory anymore.

We've got 'brane theory now. Instead of strings, the universe is made of rippling membranes, giving rise to the ekonpyretic universe model.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw I always wondered why no one commented on some of Harbingers lines, I mean he's throwing them out 24/7 and it's like no one hears him. Especially in the last bit where Harbinger speaks through the Seeker Swarm, I don't think they would be capable to produce that if they don't directly project it into Shepard's mind.

STRUGGLE IF YOU WISH - YOUR MIND WILL BE MINE.

[RavenEyry]

DJBare wrote...

Well, the victims do see what the reapers want them to see, it's how that manipulate, turning friends into traitors and all that jazz, if the reapers are inside Shepard's head then each of the visions from each of the choices could be reaper manipulation, consider a scenario using synthesis as an example, here is my extended cut to the extended cut...
Shepard jumps into the beam, the process takes place, in Shepard's mind we see the galaxy at peace, rebuilding, no distinction between organic and synthetic, a real utopia, then the camera pans out, first we see a world, then it pans out more and we see a galaxy, then it pans out more and begins to look suspiciously like brain synapse, then the camera pans out further to reveal Shepard's head and body grotesquely merged with other organics, the camera then pans right out to reveal they are all inside a reaper shell.
Synthesis at it's finest.

Wasn't that already done in a Simpsons couch gag?

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw I always wondered why no one commented on some of Harbingers lines, I mean he's throwing them out 24/7 and it's like no one hears him. Especially in the last bit where Harbinger speaks through the Seeker Swarm, I don't think they would be capable to produce that if they don't directly project it into Shepard's mind.

STRUGGLE IF YOU WISH - YOUR MIND WILL BE MINE.

THIS POST IS IRRELEVANT.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I want you all to speculate the hell out of this please. For IT's sake. We need info!

Those sound worryingly like the whole 'indoc was cut at the last minute argument'.

Or hopefully they just decided to make it less obvious.

Did anyone else think the child's voice sounds off from 1:03 to 1:10?

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

...

Uh... actually most theoretical physicists DON'T use string theory anymore.

We've got 'brane theory now. Instead of strings, the universe is made of rippling membranes, giving rise to the ekonpyretic universe model.

"You're playing dangerous mathematical games!" sounds like the line that would come right before a string  of massive explosions in a trailer for a mathematics based apocalypse movie.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw I always wondered why no one commented on some of Harbingers lines, I mean he's throwing them out 24/7 and it's like no one hears him. Especially in the last bit where Harbinger speaks through the Seeker Swarm, I don't think they would be capable to produce that if they don't directly project it into Shepard's mind.

STRUGGLE IF YOU WISH - YOUR MIND WILL BE MINE.

THIS POST IS IRRELEVANT.

IT IS NOT A THING...YOU CAN COMPREHEND.

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

"You're playing dangerous mathematical games!" sounds like the line that would come right before a string  of massive explosions in a trailer for a mathematics based apocalypse movie.

*Old man bursts into the town meeting*
"Beware the Compound Fractions!"
*Falls dead*

Modifié par RavenEyry, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:37 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

...

Uh... actually most theoretical physicists DON'T use string theory anymore.

We've got 'brane theory now. Instead of strings, the universe is made of rippling membranes, giving rise to the ekonpyretic universe model.

Uhm isn't the M Theory a subsegment of the String Theories?

[BansheeOwnage]

Mass Effect will start next page! (Yes Arian I know there were 2000 other pages. Just think of them as BCE years and these are CE years.)

[Arian Dynas]

HagarIshay wrote...

So, why does the catalyst doesn't seem to really want Shepard to choose control if it will indoc him/her?

If you have low EMS with only control, the catalyst sounds a little pissy at Shepard.

The catalyst tells Shepard is going to die if you pick control. Even in destroy the catalyst only implying Shepard is going to die. And there are a lot of players that care much more about Shepard than the synthetics. Or they play a Shepard that doesn't give a damm about synthetics. And even with the extended cut, the catalyst saying it's more of an organic death rather than an actual death, what he says doesn't sound too compelling.

Also, if you argue with the catalyst about control, he says he doesn't really want Shepard to replace him. Shows he also doesn't really love this choice.

So if control indoctrinate Shepard, why be so against it?

Indoctrination. It's right there in the name.

Indoctrination is NOT mind control, which Control would be, Shepard "surrenders his body" losing everything he has for the delusion of control, just like the Illusive Man. He's a less useful thrall like that.

Synthesis is Shepard aligning himself to THEIR view, becoming "indoctrinated" to their own doctrine. Their philosophy.

Indoctrination isn't insidious because it makes you do things you don't want to do.

It's insidious because it makes you WANT to do them.

Shepard is also less useful to them in low Control. He basically flunked everything, he's worthless to them, he failed to unite the galaxy, gave in to the pressures of others in preserving the Collector base, he's basically worthless as far as they see him. At higher EMS he's a prize to be won, at lower EMS, he's a failure to mercifully end.

He says he's not thrilled about it. But if that's the case, why offer Shepard the choice at all? He does nothing to stop him.

But either way, I advise you read this; 
http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I never deny there being reused assets, however that excuse does not cut it in many situations. Like people saying the blue eyes in synthesis is just reusing assets. If that were the case they'd have used the glowy green eyes asset used everywhere else in that scene.

Someone seriously claims that the blue eyes are reused asset? He or she must be shown that part of Evolution where TIM gets his...

But I guess their opinion won't be very much altered by that.

The strangeness of humans knows no bounds. Like one guy on a public talk about String theory that was held today in Munich. After the talk people could ask questions, and he started derpherping about how the lack of experimental validation for String theory "risks the intelligence of 7 billion people on Earth" and how the scientist giving the talk was playing "dangerous mathematical games".

Reminded me of the attention seeking trolls that come here once in a while to tell us how crazy we are.

...

Uh... actually most theoretical physicists DON'T use string theory anymore.

We've got 'brane theory now. Instead of strings, the universe is made of rippling membranes, giving rise to the ekonpyretic universe model.

Uhm isn't the M Theory a subsegment of the String Theories?

Technically?

It's more an expansion upon string theory.

[FFZero]

The crying woman that Jacob is comforting I believe is Oriana, so it should only appear if Miranda dies, however I've heard of there being quite a few oddities with regards to the slides. I think they add some slides in randomly to show the differences in EMS, so a low EMS destroy ending will have more doom and gloom slides.

I did always find it strange though that Grunt only appears in the destroy ending, in synthesis and control it's a random Krogan. At least I think, don't have any Shep's that would pick control and I know without a doubt none of them would touch synthesis with a ten foot bargepole so I can't say for sure.

Modifié par FFZero, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[byne]

I found my old explanation of the ME3 endings!

"I must kill the Reapers!"
"No, Shepard! You ARE the Reapers!"
And then everyone was robots.

And it still fits with the EC!

Hopefully people actually understand the reference...

[BansheeOwnage]

1:21 onward seems a little suspicious to me. Main reason:
"Your ships, weapons, even the relays will be destroyed."

Weapons? In a literal sense, there is no reason to need weapons, as the reapers have been destroyed. The only explanation for this I can think of is (surprise!) IT. It is a somewhat subtle manipulation tactic to convinve Shepard not to choose destroy. Shepard is a soldier by trade. Saying her weapons will be destroyed is symbolic also, like them disappearing in the dreams/after Harby's laser. Plus, subconsiously, Shepard knows she will still need weapons to fight the reapers. What do you think?