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:o I'm sorry, should I make it 1/2 or 2/2? xD

If you mean lesbians, 2/2 :wizard:

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byne wrote...

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Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Because of 'The **** you've done'


Very specific, do they mention this anywhere? Or say Cerberus' name?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Because of 'The **** you've done'


Very specific, do they mention this anywhere? Or say Cerberus' name?


No.

Anderson is the one who says 'The **** you've done', but no one really mentions Cerberus. And if it was for working with Cerberus, that doesnt explain why Chakwas and Joker got off with no punishment, but randomly Ken and Gabby were detained on the Citadel.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.

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DrTsoni wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.


There was a trial either way. Allers mentions it in one of the questions she asks Shepard as the scene fades out, I believe.

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Well I'll be goshdanged. This time, the Carnipredifexator DIDN'T have the upgrades. I'm confused now.


At what point did you start? And what set up/mods did you have?


The save that I started from the other time is a bit of a unique case.  Did you know that the game autosaves right after you make a choice, but before the cutscenes start?  Yeah, I started from that one.  So, when I loaded the save, it started right as Shepard was blowing the Reaper tube into oblivion.  Maybe that's why things were different.  This time, I loaded a save from Earth.

Well, as far as I know for mods, on my Carnifex back on Earth, I had the capacity and stunner mods, but when the autosave was loaded, the gun had the barrel mod.  That's what made me take notice.  Oh, and by "gun", I mean the Carnipredifexator, not the Carnifex before transformation.

Also, on an unrelated note, do Jack and Miranda's slides only play in Control and Synthesis?  Because I chose Destroy, and I didn't see either.  And I KNOW they were both alive.

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 juillet 2012 - 01:31 .


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OK, I'm brain-dead, going offline effective now.

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paxxton wrote...

OK, I'm brain-dead, going offline effective now.


OK, I'm going to make a really bad joke, and I don't want to offend you when I do, so I'm just warning you in advance that I intend this purely for humor.  I in no way want to insult you.  OK, here's the joke.

Is that the same state you were in when you decided Control was a good idea? Posted Image

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Dwailing wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well I'll be goshdanged. This time, the Carnipredifexator DIDN'T have the upgrades. I'm confused now.


At what point did you start? And what set up/mods did you have?


The save that I started from the other time is a bit of a unique case.  Did you know that the game autosaves right after you make a choice, but before the cutscenes start?  Yeah, I started from that one.  So, when I loaded the save, it started right as Shepard was blowing the Reaper tube into oblivion.  Maybe that's why things were different.  This time, I loaded a save from Earth.

Well, as far as I know for mods, on my Carnifex back on Earth, I had the capacity and stunner mods, but when the autosave was loaded, the gun had the barrel mod.  That's what made me take notice.

Also, on an unrelated note, do Jack and Miranda's slides only play in Control and Synthesis?  Because I chose Destroy, and I didn't see either.  And I KNOW they were both alive.


I actually did know that. And yeah, that may have been it. There's also a glitch where if you reload the save right after the conversation with Starbrat but before the choices, he dissapears and you can't shoot him. For some reason, that segment of the game is incredibly glitchy...even more so with EC.

The Carnifex mods shouldn't affect it. Did you have any mods on Predator? That's what should be affecting it.

Not getting Jack and Miranda is also a glitch, coincidentally. You should be able to get Jack's, though from what I understand Miranda's are only for Control and Synthesis.

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, I'm brain-dead, going offline effective now.


OK, I'm going to make a really bad joke, and I don't want to offend you when I do, so I'm just warning you in advance that I intend this purely for humor.  I in no way want to insult you.  OK, here's the joke.

Is that the same state you were in when you decided Control was a good idea? Posted Image

Tequila Se'lai. Posted Image Seriously, laughing won't help me rest in peace. Posted Image 

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DrTsoni wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well I'll be goshdanged. This time, the Carnipredifexator DIDN'T have the upgrades. I'm confused now.


At what point did you start? And what set up/mods did you have?


The save that I started from the other time is a bit of a unique case.  Did you know that the game autosaves right after you make a choice, but before the cutscenes start?  Yeah, I started from that one.  So, when I loaded the save, it started right as Shepard was blowing the Reaper tube into oblivion.  Maybe that's why things were different.  This time, I loaded a save from Earth.

Well, as far as I know for mods, on my Carnifex back on Earth, I had the capacity and stunner mods, but when the autosave was loaded, the gun had the barrel mod.  That's what made me take notice.

Also, on an unrelated note, do Jack and Miranda's slides only play in Control and Synthesis?  Because I chose Destroy, and I didn't see either.  And I KNOW they were both alive.


I actually did know that. And yeah, that may have been it. There's also a glitch where if you reload the save right after the conversation with Starbrat but before the choices, he dissapears and you can't shoot him. For some reason, that segment of the game is incredibly glitchy...even more so with EC.

The Carnifex mods shouldn't affect it. Did you have any mods on Predator? That's what should be affecting it.

Not getting Jack and Miranda is also a glitch, coincidentally. You should be able to get Jack's, though from what I understand Miranda's are only for Control and Synthesis.


Huh, that IS weird.  BioWare should fix this ASAP!  I'll be very sad until that time. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, I'm brain-dead, going offline effective now.


OK, I'm going to make a really bad joke, and I don't want to offend you when I do, so I'm just warning you in advance that I intend this purely for humor.  I in no way want to insult you.  OK, here's the joke.

Is that the same state you were in when you decided Control was a good idea? Posted Image

Tequila Se'lai. Posted Image Seriously, laughing won't help me rest in peace. Posted Image 


Don't worry, if the laughing doesn't, the indoctrination will. Posted ImagePosted Image

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byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.


There was a trial either way. Allers mentions it in one of the questions she asks Shepard as the scene fades out, I believe.


...Shepard was put on trial for blowing up 300,000 Batarians (or working with Cerberus without Arrival?) but all she got was put under house arrest? Not even sure what to say to that.

Regarding Joker and Chakwas not being detained for that but Ken and Gabby are, Chakwas explains that she got proper leave from the Alliance before working with Shepard. Because Shepard was not deemed a criminal, she was allowed to go free. Joker was grounded and left the Alliance (explained at the start of ME2) so technically he did nothing wrong. With Shepard and Anderson around, it would be easy enough for them to get their jobs back. Not sure about Gabby and Ken, though. I know they discuss it in an investigation option in ME2, but I don't remember it well enough.

Anyway, I'm off for the day. I'll see you guys around :)

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DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.


There was a trial either way. Allers mentions it in one of the questions she asks Shepard as the scene fades out, I believe.


...Shepard was put on trial for blowing up 300,000 Batarians (or working with Cerberus without Arrival?) but all she got was put under house arrest? Not even sure what to say to that.

Regarding Joker and Chakwas not being detained for that but Ken and Gabby are, Chakwas explains that she got proper leave from the Alliance before working with Shepard. Because Shepard was not deemed a criminal, she was allowed to go free. Joker was grounded and left the Alliance (explained at the start of ME2) so technically he did nothing wrong. With Shepard and Anderson around, it would be easy enough for them to get their jobs back. Not sure about Gabby and Ken, though. I know they discuss it in an investigation option in ME2, but I don't remember it well enough.

Anyway, I'm off for the day. I'll see you guys around :)


Whether or not they got leave to work with Cerberus shouldnt really matter.

If my dad left the Air Force for a few months to work with Al-Qaeda, the military wouldnt be like 'Oh, well, you filled out all the forms and got proper leave.'

He'd be arrested for working for a terrorist organization.

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Modifié par smokingotter1, 29 juillet 2012 - 02:35 .


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byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.


There was a trial either way. Allers mentions it in one of the questions she asks Shepard as the scene fades out, I believe.


...Shepard was put on trial for blowing up 300,000 Batarians (or working with Cerberus without Arrival?) but all she got was put under house arrest? Not even sure what to say to that.

Regarding Joker and Chakwas not being detained for that but Ken and Gabby are, Chakwas explains that she got proper leave from the Alliance before working with Shepard. Because Shepard was not deemed a criminal, she was allowed to go free. Joker was grounded and left the Alliance (explained at the start of ME2) so technically he did nothing wrong. With Shepard and Anderson around, it would be easy enough for them to get their jobs back. Not sure about Gabby and Ken, though. I know they discuss it in an investigation option in ME2, but I don't remember it well enough.

Anyway, I'm off for the day. I'll see you guys around :)


Whether or not they got leave to work with Cerberus shouldnt really matter.

If my dad left the Air Force for a few months to work with Al-Qaeda, the military wouldnt be like 'Oh, well, you filled out all the forms and got proper leave.'

He'd be arrested for working for a terrorist organization.


At the time they were released, the Alliance didn't have substantial evidence that Cerberus was a terrorist organization. I'd think their actions from ME1 would be enough, considering what happend to Admiral Kohoku, but if that were the case, wouldn't they have reacted a bit more...strongly in ME2? And because they were working for Shepard, not Cerberus (directly), they made an exception.
And who's going to argue when there's 2km tall metal squids blowing up your HQ?

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byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, I was going to make a thread about this but thought I'd drop it here first.

However, first of all, Is it ever properly explained why Shepard wasn't in custody if you didn't do arrival?


Apparently there was a minor player ****** fit about that issue, so they put Shepard under "House Arrest" instead of full blown court marshall.

That's the word on the street, anyway.


I thought there was supposed to be a trial and everything if you did Arrival? Hackett all but said there would be and I thought it was implied in ME3, as well. Could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've done a full playthrough from the start.


There was a trial either way. Allers mentions it in one of the questions she asks Shepard as the scene fades out, I believe.


...Shepard was put on trial for blowing up 300,000 Batarians (or working with Cerberus without Arrival?) but all she got was put under house arrest? Not even sure what to say to that.

Regarding Joker and Chakwas not being detained for that but Ken and Gabby are, Chakwas explains that she got proper leave from the Alliance before working with Shepard. Because Shepard was not deemed a criminal, she was allowed to go free. Joker was grounded and left the Alliance (explained at the start of ME2) so technically he did nothing wrong. With Shepard and Anderson around, it would be easy enough for them to get their jobs back. Not sure about Gabby and Ken, though. I know they discuss it in an investigation option in ME2, but I don't remember it well enough.

Anyway, I'm off for the day. I'll see you guys around :)


Whether or not they got leave to work with Cerberus shouldnt really matter.

If my dad left the Air Force for a few months to work with Al-Qaeda, the military wouldnt be like 'Oh, well, you filled out all the forms and got proper leave.'

He'd be arrested for working for a terrorist organization.

LOL

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DrTsoni wrote...
Anyway, I'm off for the day. I'll see you guys around :)

Just missed you then. Posted Image See you later.

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I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex

Interesting as I was just playing through that and was thinking about these. But how are they important?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex


Nice, going to have to watch them when I have time. Thanks!

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Just missed you then. Posted Image See you later.


Sorry, I seem to have horrible timing :pinched:

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DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex


Nice, going to have to watch them when I have time. Thanks!

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Just missed you then. Posted Image See you later.


Sorry, I seem to have horrible timing :pinched:

What's your timezone?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex

Interesting as I was just playing through that and was thinking about these. But how are they important?

Just listen to some of what they say, all in all the Presidium has a calming effect, just like Vega again says in ME3. Sounds like indoctrination is at work here.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I thought it'd be nice to have the comments about the Presidium and Relay Monument in one place so

Presidium:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara (People who like Synthesis love this)
Tali
Wrex aka Mr. Tranquil

Relay:
Ashley
Garrus
Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Wrex

Interesting as I was just playing through that and was thinking about these. But how are they important?

Just listen to some of what they say, all in all the Presidium has a calming effect, just like Vega again says in ME3. Sounds like indoctrination is at work here.

Yeah. It's basically the same. I also think the crucible has the same style of subtle indoctrination as the citadel. What do you think?

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[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

Does anyone want to play some MP with me? [/quote]
I do![/quote]PC?
[/quote]
Unfortunately, although I have the game on PC, I play MP on 360, and am therefore level 1-with-no-anything on PC.[/quote]
I'm sure one of us glorious PC gaming master race people can tow you through a few silver and bronze matches to get your levels up ;)

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]Simon_Says wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

Again? Did I miss a conversation about lesbians earlier? That makes me a sad panda. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie][/quote]
Page 2177. GO!

[/quote]

Hmm. That was less lesbian and more mistaking Estebanus' gender.

Unless I've been wrong all along and Estebanus is actually a woman...

[/quote]I won't confirm nor deny me being a female, because I don't want to be prescriptive about how you interpret my gender. 

I'm either a lesbian female or a heterosexual male. It's up to you to decide.

[/quote] 
I will respect your artistic integrity and choose to think of you as totally asexual... like... a desklamp.

[quote]paxxton wrote...
"Lesbian Singularity"? I do not comprehend, could you elaborate?[/quote] 

By the by, the lesbian singularity could refer to the process in the mass effect series of more and more people dating asari, so there are more and more asari and eventually the entire galaxy is made up of blue mind-lesbians.

See - I just made the lesbian singularity on-topic...ish :wizard:

[quote]byne wrote...

Megumi, I'm still trying to figure out what the **** I'm looking at in this picture:

Posted Image

I know you said it is named future city or something, but I dont see how that could possibly be a city.

Or really anything else for that matter.[/quote] 
Hell, I'm struggling to work out if the foreground is cloud or snow...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...
Otter was hitting on me because I'm rich. That's it.
[/quote]

Filthy mooching otters! There is no joy in wealth, lest it is properly earned. But while we're on the subject...

[/quote]

Also, by rich, I think Estebanus means he said he had like $50.

[/quote]More like €753.000...
[/quote]

That's like, $820 or something. I haz moar tahn tat!

[/quote] 

*facepalm* 

you know that's almost 1.000.000, right?

[/quote]

http://www.google.co...?q=EURUSD&hl=en 
Not any more it isn't [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

You've lost in the region of $170000 in under a year.

Tell me you don't really have that amount of money in a regular bank, please [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]