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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?

I first thought the basket contained eggs, though they could be apples by the color, so thanksgiving.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?


I think the basket is an actual Easter egg basket. Capital E, sorry. And yeah this doesn't really seem like BW's style, so I'm wondering what the significance is. Or maybe they just did it for fun, lol. Should we speculate what the number of strawberries mean on the cake? I think I count 18 around plus the 2 inner ones.


Oh right it might be an easter egg basket, so easter as well?

Edit: Or thanksgiving if its apples as Megumi just pointed out.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?


I think the basket is an actual Easter egg basket. Capital E, sorry. And yeah this doesn't really seem like BW's style, so I'm wondering what the significance is. Or maybe they just did it for fun, lol. Should we speculate what the number of strawberries mean on the cake? I think I count 18 around plus the 2 inner ones.


Oh right it might be an easter egg basket, so easter as well?

Edit: Or thanksgiving if its apples as Megumi just pointed out.

It's hard to tell, the shape seems more like eggs, but the color wouldn't really fit.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?

I first thought the basket contained eggs, though they could be apples by the color, so thanksgiving.


True, but most countries, including Canada, don't celebrate Thanksgiving.

So... we have Halloween, Christmas, Valentines Day, Easter... and of course the cake.

And that's 2 and 18 strawberries. And 9 bodies with the number 3 on them. :huh:

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Looks like Bioware are putting all their eggs in one basket again!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?


I think the basket is an actual Easter egg basket. Capital E, sorry. And yeah this doesn't really seem like BW's style, so I'm wondering what the significance is. Or maybe they just did it for fun, lol. Should we speculate what the number of strawberries mean on the cake? I think I count 18 around plus the 2 inner ones.


Oh right it might be an easter egg basket, so easter as well?

Edit: Or thanksgiving if its apples as Megumi just pointed out.

It's hard to tell, the shape seems more like eggs, but the color wouldn't really fit.


Well looking at your pic Megumi, the eggs look like shiny blue, green, and pink/purple. Plus the basket looks more like an Easter basket than a fall harvest type of basket. Lol maybe a different angle would help to see the eggs/apples better?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh I didn't see those easter eggs. And you found the chocolates. Nice! ^_^ What's up with all of this anyway? I'm surprised there's no Christmas tree...

Edit: Oh maybe the present is supposed to represent Christmas.


Yeah and if we look at it that way then we got, Christmas, Halloween, Valentines and...Birthday? (the cake)...oh and the Apple Basket, any ideas there?

But what could it mean? Just Bioware adding random Easter Eggs (just about the only thing not present) or something more?

Any Ideas?


I think the basket is an actual Easter egg basket. Capital E, sorry. And yeah this doesn't really seem like BW's style, so I'm wondering what the significance is. Or maybe they just did it for fun, lol. Should we speculate what the number of strawberries mean on the cake? I think I count 18 around plus the 2 inner ones.


Oh right it might be an easter egg basket, so easter as well?

Edit: Or thanksgiving if its apples as Megumi just pointed out.

It's hard to tell, the shape seems more like eggs, but the color wouldn't really fit.


Well looking at your pic Megumi, the eggs look like shiny blue, green, and pink/purple. Plus the basket looks more like an Easter basket than a fall harvest type of basket. Lol maybe a different angle would help to see the eggs/apples better?

You're right, and they're Easter eggs.
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The body bags with the weird 3 on them are every where throughout the game, definitely remember some on Menae (which seemed odd given turian superstition regarding the dead). Not sure what to make of all the oddities on Vancouver, the theme seems to be "holidays/celebrations" but not sure whether it indicates anything significant. Any oddities on the Rio and London maps?

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The images, obvious correlation with holidays as pointed out: Halloween jack-o-lantern, Easter Sunday basket of eggs, Valentines Day heart shaped box of candies, Christmas present, the strawberry cake I have no idea.... National strawberry day? If there was a party going on they wouldn't celebrate more than one event...

Bioware just being awesome and putting random bits of fun in? Or Easter eggs to hint at more .... 9 - 3 - 12 . . . Holidays . . . Earth. Puzzle it's...it's all just one big puzzle o_O

Ok I'm really going to bed this time.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Oh right it might be an easter egg basket, so easter as well?

Edit: Or thanksgiving if its apples as Megumi just pointed out.

It's hard to tell, the shape seems more like eggs, but the color wouldn't really fit.


Well looking at your pic Megumi, the eggs look like shiny blue, green, and pink/purple. Plus the basket looks more like an Easter basket than a fall harvest type of basket. Lol maybe a different angle would help to see the eggs/apples better?

You're right, and they're Easter eggs.
Image IPB


So they pretty much covered all the internationally recognized holidays. Except New Years, anything possibly related to that? What would even represent it? lol

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Oh and don't forget they used that once exclusive vent-boy sign on the Vancouver map too.

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A bottle of champagne would be representative of New Years.

The cake seems indicative of a birthday, for Shepard that would be April.

Modifié par leonia42, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:55 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

The images, obvious correlation with holidays as pointed out: Halloween jack-o-lantern, Easter Sunday basket of eggs, Valentines Day heart shaped box of candies, Christmas present, the strawberry cake I have no idea.... National strawberry day? If there was a party going on they wouldn't celebrate more than one event...

Bioware just being awesome and putting random bits of fun in? Or Easter eggs to hint at more .... 9 - 3 - 12 . . . Holidays . . . Earth. Puzzle it's...it's all just one big puzzle o_O

Ok I'm really going to bed this time.


Hm.

October, April, February, December . . . . Strawberry Chocolate Cake....

Seriously going to bed I promise.

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leonia42 wrote...

A bottle of champagne would be representative of New Years.

The cake seems indicative of a birthday, for Shepard that would be April.

You know the bottle on the left, next to the jack'o, is a bottle like we have now, not these other glowy ones even more on the left.

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leonia42 wrote...

A bottle of champagne would be representative of New Years.

The cake seems indicative of a birthday, for Shepard that would be April.


Ah you're right. There may be one on the map. Edit: Like the one next to the jack-o-lantern? :lol:

And apparently there is something called a chocolate-strawberry celebration cake, which looks a lot like the cake in Vancouver. Not sure if there's any tradition associated with it. But I feel like if it was supposed to be a birthday cake there would have been candles... Maybe.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:01 .


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Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

A bottle of champagne would be representative of New Years.

The cake seems indicative of a birthday, for Shepard that would be April.

You know the bottle on the left, next to the jack'o, is a bottle like we have now, not these other glowy ones even more on the left.


Ah you're right! I thought I saw a bottle like that.

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leonia42 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I was referring to joint lubricant for geth platforms but I realise now dirty minded individuals could willfully misinterpret my comment. I'm sorry.


From lesbians to lubricant.. this is my favourite thread on the Citadel BSN.

Agreed. I just caught up 8 pages and it was hilarious :lol:

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Don't think they use Medi gel, but Saren may have.

They left medigel around on the heretic station too. I assume it acts as a good lubricant.

 
I'd assume they'd use omni-gel for that... you can do anything with omni-gel.

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/revive


Sorry, you took cover instead.

 
*My official pet hate in gold/platinum matches*
Also, PC players, am I the only one who's remapped the spring/doanythingelse button to left shift? It just seems way more natural to me to use shift to sprint :P

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hmm...

Let's see...

Can you remember Thunder Cats being on the air?

Can you remember when Dial-up was a thing?

Can you remember hard disks?

Can you remember a time when Apple was just the weirdo alternative to Windows?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above, congratulations. You're old, just like me.

Well, I do remember the dial-up and hard disks. I didn't get any tv stations beyond the local ones during my formative years, so I was unable to watch cable shows, but Thundercats was just before my time (and yours, too, btw) anyway. The range of time for the last one is quite large, so it both does and doesn't count. //This was both serious and not serious simultaneously//[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


Did anyone here ever play that game that came with old macs where you had to navigate a paper plane through corridors over cats and radiators and whatever? It was 2-D side-scrolling...

Seriously, that game is what I used to look forward to when I went to stay with my cousins.

Also, LESS THAN 24 HOURS TO THE END OF THE MULTIPLAYER OP! GOGGOGOGOGOGOGOOGO

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leonia42 wrote...

Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.


Maybe they're going to have special MP events for these holidays?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.


Maybe they're going to have special MP events for these holidays?


That's a good possibility. 

The arrangement of the strawberries is starting to annoy the OCD side of my brain, why not do two complete rows?

And does anyone else find it creepy to see such cheery items among charred bodies and ruined furniture?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.


Maybe they're going to have special MP events for these holidays?

Almost certainly.
More MP events + more new MP items = more people willing to shell out $/£/whatever for new items = moolah. Lots of.

leonia42 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.


Maybe they're going to have special MP events for these holidays?


That's a good possibility. 

The arrangement of the strawberries is starting to annoy the OCD side of my brain, why not do two complete rows? 

And does anyone else find it creepy to see such cheery items among charred bodies and ruined furniture? 

 
Wouldn't it be odd if that turned out to be a kids birthday party in which the starchild's actual child equivalent was killed by the reapers?

Although I must admit the champagne would seem to make that unlikely.

Also, anyone up for some quick multiplayer?

Modifié par TSA_383, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

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The images, obvious correlation with holidays as pointed out: Halloween jack-o-lantern, Easter Sunday basket of eggs, Valentines Day heart shaped box of candies, Christmas present, the strawberry cake I have no idea.... National strawberry day? If there was a party going on they wouldn't celebrate more than one event...

Bioware just being awesome and putting random bits of fun in? Or Easter eggs to hint at more .... 9 - 3 - 12 . . . Holidays . . . Earth. Puzzle it's...it's all just one big puzzle o_O

Ok I'm really going to bed this time.


Hm.

October, April, February, December . . . . Strawberry Chocolate Cake....

Seriously going to bed I promise.


Don't forget the 2 and 18 strawberries! Someone should verify my count. But the placement of those strawberries is interesting...

Edit: Oh haha you guys also think so. Good it's not just me! :P
Lol goodnight, straw-grasping is tiresome, I shall also retire. ^_^

Modifié par Starbuck8, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .


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TSA_383 wrote...
Also, anyone up for some quick multiplayer?

Does anyone muliplay anything other than ME3? I always feel really left out.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Hey I had a birthday cake today that looked just like that one (and it was delicious!)

While this speculating is fun, I strongly doubt the holidays or months point out release dates for future DLC as it would really surprising if they could stick to such a rigorous schedule after the EC pushed everything else back.


Maybe they're going to have special MP events for these holidays?


Exactly what I was thinking. I remember some one saying that the present is actually a model for a yet to be used box in the store but I can't verify or stand behind that at all.

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Bioware you really had a winner with the first ending. It must of been so clear to you. I truly wished all the gamers understood what you were attempting to do. You went to a new place in gaming history, so close you couldn't see any chance of failure. You broke new ground, you made me the gamer experience what indoctrination is. I the gamer am being broken it's so clear I sometimes can not believe it. You did it just, obviously not good enough because the majority of the fan base could not see it. The reality is that for all those that failed to embrace/understand what you have done and the idea that you could never just tell them because that would defeat the essence of what you created you are left little choice but to listen and react to what the vast majority was telling you.

Your reaction to their cries of disappointment lead to this EC. You kept the dream alive in the EC for those that understood but also in turn dragged it out even longer for us to experience the true end to your vision. I knew when I understood the breathe scene. It was choosing the destroy ending, rejecting the power of indoctrination, showing the reapers that no matter what the cost we will end their long existence of genocide, that I will wake up battered, bruised but alive on the ground of London ready to finish this long fight for our very existence or pehaps even awake to look into Harbingers very soul(clearly reapers have none) and say no I will never join you.

My true fear is you may be disillusioned by all this and cut your losses

PLEASE don't lose hope, there are actually many of us who believe in what you did. Push on, hope is what you created for Shepard/Gamer in this trilogy. That is why you should continue and bring out the end you were meant to.

For all who are disappointed look again at the ending pre-EC like I did and you will see from the time you stand up from Harbingers strike it is you the gamer being indoctrinated. It is an unpleasant feeling as it should be to lose ones mind, to have such limited control but that is what indoctrination is. The EC only gave a little closure to those unaswered questions you sought, not everything. The large gaps of the unexplained are still there and that unsettling/angry feeling you still have is the loss of your characters mind and indeed yours. Embrace this and you will see that the fight for your own soul is only the last hurtle before the final fight for the universe.

Brilliant Bioware. Dont stop now you are so close."