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[prettz]

ok took some screenshots of the gun at the end.
first before engulfed in flames.

http://i.imgur.com/erCKQ.jpg
now after

http://i.imgur.com/228zn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0U9iO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XUGsr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Gah1K.jpg


I'll get a vid of it later tonight

Modifié par prettz, 15 mai 2012 - 01:19 .

[Bill Casey]

"The citadel changed me, created new possibilities. But I can't make them happen."

A couple of things about this...
Firstly, he just said we couldn't keep our own forms, just now...

Secondly, that is not what a Catalyst is at all. A Catalyst doesn't change, it changes things around him. The dorsolateral prefrontal cortex would recognize this distinction, because it's the part of the brain responsible for rational interpretation. But that part of the brain isn't very active in dream states...

[Sisterofshane]

@Bill Casey, you watched the video made by Pro 5, right?

One very interesting thing to note - the catalyst never directly says that picking the option WILL destroy all synthetic life.

The actual convo transcript would appear (without the scene from Anderson...):

"I KNOW you've thought about Destroying us."
"You can destroy all Synthetic Life if you want."

If we really think about it, it is implied that the Geth and EDI will die, but it is never outrighted stated, the same with Shepard's supposed death at the hands of the Destroy option.

If we are to believe IT, I think it would be important to note that nothing the catalyst ever says is a lie (EVER). The reason for this being that Shepard could possibly see through the lie, the illusion would be broken.

Even if one chooses not to believe in IT, I think it is important to note that the Catalyst is master at telling Shepard what he wants to hear, without ever really giving Shepard what he wants.

[hoodaticus]

Bill Casey wrote...

"The citadel changed me, created new possibilities. But I can't make them happen."

A couple of things about this...
Firstly, he just said we couldn't keep our own forms, just now...

Secondly, that is not what a Catalyst is at all. A Catalyst doesn't change, it changes things around him. The dorsolateral prefrontal cortex would recognize this distinction, because it's the part of the brain responsible for rational interpretation. But that part of the brain isn't very active in dream states...

Smart peope are too rare.  THANK YOU for gracing us with your words and presence.  Seriously 

[Arian Dynas]

TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It's a forum with no age restriction hosted by bioware themselves.
Once the trolls burst out into the millions of dick jokes it was only a matter of time really.

I am just purely disgusted with that guy, he brags about it on his profile like it's a trophy. Pathetic.

[Bill Casey]

Everything the Catalyst says is bizarre...

[Rifneno]

Domanese wrote...

Im going with strict since they did say there would be a zero tolerance policy. Is it not hard to imagine that it would not apply to complete vulgarity?

Definitely not. I can think of more than one troll that both posted some really offensive crap and were reported by a multitude of people only to see them back a little bit later still stirring up trouble. They aren't super-strict, no matter what that pop-up says. They wrote that because some people trolled a Bioware employee off Twitter. As in, trolled them until they left the site completely.

On the bright side, maybe that last round of reports did some good. I won't say its name as it might appear like Bloody Mary, but you-know-who hasn't been seen since "joking" about how we should commit mass suicide after IT is disproven. Which was 3 days ago.

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So... Prothean, huh?

[Uncle Jo]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Them locking a thread because of 1 guy suggests that they were itching to close it.

That or bioware forums are really strict.

It's a forum with no age restriction hosted by bioware themselves.
Once the trolls burst out into the millions of dick jokes it was only a matter of time really.

I am just purely disgusted with that guy, he brags about it on his profile like it's a trophy. Pathetic.

Now I know who you're talking about. I thought he stopped.

[Arian Dynas]

Also, oldtimers and newcomers alike;

JOIN THE GROUP! SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!

Indoctrination Theorists

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 15 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[EpyonX3]

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

Modifié par EpyonX3, 15 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

[marcelo_sdk]

Very strange too is why the Catalyst take the form of the boy. For me the boy is real just in his first appearance, when he's with the toy ship. And perhaps in the scene that he dies, I'm not quite sure about this. The scene on the vent I'm pretty sure it's a hallucination of Shepard. Anderson clearly snaps him out of it.

So, the Catalyst takes the formo of the boy. Why? Cause, for Shepard, the boy represents all the people who died in the war, especially in Earth. And like Sisterofshane said, he tells exactly what Shepard wants to hear. For example, why he didn't when you have low EMS that the energy wave will destroy all life on Earth?

[Uncle Jo]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

I liked his staidness and the way he presented every clue with possible counter-arguments and counter-counter-arguments. As for Anderson/Admiral Anderson, I personally didn't paid that much attention but he stated thats is apparently happening several times in the game, so it's not conclusive (did I undertand your question well?)

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

Hmm. Never noticed. Perhaps it's because he's not in the shot. They may have done this for new players who don't know Anderson's smooth voice.

[marcelo_sdk]

About EC, there will by dialogue choices? 

Modifié par marcelo_sdk, 15 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

Hmm. Never noticed. Perhaps it's because he's not in the shot. They may have done this for new players who don't know Anderson's smooth voice.

Its the end of the game.

How will adding Admiral change whether or not new people know him by now?

If they were paying so little attention that they dont know who Anderson is, I doubt his rank will clear anything up.

[Uncle Jo]

balance5050 wrote...

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

The subtitles differ from language to language...I'm going to play it with subtitles in french to see if there is any change...

[DJBare]

Uncle Jo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This is one of my theories, I'm guessing that only Harbinger is not, all other reapers are under his control despite "each a nation"
I explained somewhere else, if the essence of each race is kept in those reaper hulls then they would need remain indoctrinated otherwise they would rebel against their new form.

Very interesting... But if Harbinger is not indoctrinated then what is he made of ? Is he actually the original Indoctrination device? I mean he's also a "nation" and partly organic, or am I wrong?

Harbinger is the original race, the Nazari who purposely melded themselves with synthetics, grotesquely I might add, the original story is they did it to combat a dark energy threat, it would not be a far stretch to say they became twisted due to their new form.

[Bill Casey]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

No, he's Anderson through the rest of the game in the script...
I don't think that's very strong evidence, though...

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

Harbinger is the original race

I'll take "things with no credible evidence of" for 500, Alex.

[SS2Dante]

Uncle Jo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

The subtitles differ from language to language...I'm going to play it with subtitles in french to see if there is any change...

The subs change him to "Admiral Anderson" when he's laying out the battle plans in london HQ (that segment where you talk with each squadmate). Then it goes back and forth between that and normal "Anderson"

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Sure, no problem. So what else is new beside the Carnifex turning into a predator?

Well, like you said the Carnifex/Predator was the major discovery of today. Also a long discussion with some people who didn't believe the IT being even possible,  a debate about the Crucible and its role and an amazing compilation of all the IT-clues gathered till now (it's from Parabolee77 and here is the link, if you didn't already read it : masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.com/)

Haha some of those images came from my video. Double nice!

Also, isn't Anderson always Admiral Anderson?

The subtitles always call him simply "Anderson" except at the end.

Hmm. Never noticed. Perhaps it's because he's not in the shot. They may have done this for new players who don't know Anderson's smooth voice.

Its the end of the game.

How will adding Admiral change whether or not new people know him by now?

If they were paying so little attention that they dont know who Anderson is, I doubt his rank will clear anything up.

So then what else could it be? If a person doesn't know who Anderson is and only see him once or twice throughout the game then it's likely that they'll forget him. Remember it's aimed at new and very casual gamers. Some don't even pay attention to the dialog until the very end.

[Rifneno]

Legion was "Legion" for one line when you first saw him. Thereafter, he was referred to as "geth" in the subtitles until EDI suggested the name and he approved. So they definitely make some minor boo-boos with the subtitles on occasion.

[americanidiot53]

I'm not sure how much CleverNoob's documentary is valued here in the forums as being valid, but I just watched it and agreed with most of it (I am an IT supporter; there's simply no other way to make sense of the ending). However, I came up with a couple questions and possible flaws. I am by nature a skeptic even about the things I believe, so I need some pretty solid proof to completely take something on as my own belief.

I know there's a wall of text below, but I would greatly appreciate it if I got some of these questions answered or some rebuttals against my own rebuttals. Anyways. Please note again that I have nothing against IT and appreciate it; I just have some questions needing answering.

Thanks!

• Some clarification- So did Harbinger actually leave or is this taking place in Shephard’s mind? If it’s taking place in Shephard’s mind, why would he think Harbinger would leave? If you say the Reapers caused Shepard to think Harbinger was leaving for the “ray of hope” that Shepard might feel, then the Reapers are in control of his mind, defeating your earlier claim that Shepard is not actually indoctrinated.
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• Dream sounds- The “dream-like” noises after Shepard gets up could just be the developer’s attempt to demonstrate the hearing loss that Shepard went through after being hit by the beam. Especially given the higher pitch, the sounds resemble more of a “ringing” than any “dream-like” sounds.
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• Reaper and Dream Sounds- The reaper growl is heard in many places by other people. For example, the opening sequence with all the men and women on the ground and the scene on Thessia with the Reaper in the background both feature the Reaper growls. Simply put, the growls in the dream sequences are simply in the back of Shepard's mind while he dreams.
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• Fade-out sequences- White light is merely a fade-out technique, and given that both situations (the dream and the laser beam) featured some form of produced light (fire and laser respectively), it makes sense to game developers as the white light fade out brings the player into Shepard’s shoes (i.e. being blinded and having the whole “slow-down, life flash before your eyes” moment). If you look more closely at the whole game, many things are reused (i.e. big things like mission structure: go to planet, meet comrade, make final decision, leave planet). These reused transition screens are more likely a development of lazy game design than anything else. It’s possible that there was some grand scheme, but unlikely when looking at the game as a whole.
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• Blurry horizon on the ground in front of the beam- Shephard could very well be blinded by the light and energy of intensity of Harbinger’s laser. However, I like the pulsating ambient point though. I had never thought of that before and agree that potentially it could mean something. Could have something to do with the effects of Harbinger’s laser on Shepard’s eyesight though, too.
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• If they really were dead bodies, why not give them texture instead of just overlaying them on a smooth surface? If anything, this goes to show that Bioware was at least a little lazy in their last efforts of the game, if they weren’t rushed. I agree that this is one of your strong points (and this is kind of a weak refutation), but I’m curious as to why they would abandon the 3D models outside of the beam.
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• Anderson’s entry- How do you know that there weren’t other entrances around the citadel. When exiting the dark red hallway, the player sees the curvature of the room, and it’s possible that Anderson was teleported somewhere else on the curvature.
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• Anderson could have been referring to the moving panels of electricity as the “moving walls.” This one is a bit of a stretch, but I’ll throw it out there anyway.
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• Why would the Reapers make the Keepers be alive in Shepard’s hallucination? Why even include them?
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• 1M1 Theory- If Shepard remembers those minute of details, then why doesn’t he remember the main room of the citadel or other MAJOR aspects of the Citadel?
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• Clarification question- I’ve never been quite sure why Anderson seemed to wobble on his feet while standing. Was the Illusive Man in control of both of Shepard and his bodies?
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• Bullet Hole from Marauder Shields- Why does Shepard’s armor not show wear and tear most of the time? Simply put, Bioware throughout all three Mass Effect games has never done something along the lines of the Batman “Arkham” games and had the main characters suit get slowly tattered. It makes no sense for them to begin that trend in the last 15 minutes of the game. I will concede, however, that this shot from Marauder Shields is much more prominent than any other shots that Shepard has endured.
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• If Shepard is naturally inquisitive, then why does he not ask questions in his dream? If he’s not fully indoctrinated and the catalyst sequence is just a hallucination, wouldn’t he still ask questions given that his mind is still under his own control?
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• How is Shepard aware of what the colors mean? That’s a player thing. I highly doubt Shepard sees “blue” as a good color and “red” as a bad color. If we are talking about the players, then we have to think a little bit more. I highly doubt players would simply make a decision because of color coordination in the different sectors of the Crucible. This is the final choice, and it’s easy for the player to notice this because of the music and the massive consequences of each choice. MOST players would think critically about their options and pick the one that makes sense to their Shepard (i.e. hopefully “Destroy”). It is highly unlikely to say that Bioware would institute a color discord in order to “fool” their players about which ending to pick.
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Modifié par americanidiot53, 15 mai 2012 - 01:54 .