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masster blaster wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

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You know what would be funny if all of this was a story and a grandfather is telling his grandchild about a legend about a person named Shepard that could have done all of this but they don't know what really happened.So the Grandfather makes up a terrible ending and tells his grandchild I will tell another story about Shepard but in a different way. So have we just been playing a fairytale about Shepard and that he May not have existed at all?


I can't post pics yet...so...

*cue 'GTFO' meme*


You do realize I support IT and I am just trying to lighten the mode.


I know, I'd probably break my Xbox if that ever remotley turned out to be the case though lol.

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Have any of you all seen any of Angry Joe videos about Mass effect 3

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I have, his IT video is what got me to believe.

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dmay7 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know what would be funny if all of this was a story and a grandfather is telling his grandchild about a legend about a person named Shepard that could have done all of this but they don't know what really happened.So the Grandfather makes up a terrible ending and tells his grandchild I will tell another story about Shepard but in a different way. So have we just been playing a fairytale about Shepard and that he May not have existed at all?


I can't post pics yet...so...

*cue 'GTFO' meme*


You do realize I support IT and I am just trying to lighten the mode.


I know, I'd probably break my Xbox if that ever remotley turned out to be the case though lol.


Well for me I would break ME3 then put it into an insinartor then pretend I never played ME3. Or I just won't buy ME4

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 mai 2012 - 03:18 .


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There is no sensible reason for the Normandy to flee without her captain.  That's just retarded.

The only excuse would have to be that the Normandy was not fleeing at all.  It would have to be attacking something.  A very important something.

That, or the whole crew was deep in the throes of the indoctrination process.


Bolded the important bit. Lots of people think the breath is the most important clue to IT, and it certainly is a big honking clue. But to me, the fate of the Normandy is the biggest clue of all. I mean think about it:

1. You have a conversation with your LI about how you'd like to run away from it all and retire on a deserted planet (does anyone have the text from this dialogue so we can analyze it for clues?)
2. You see your LI on earth, and possibly even take them with you on the final run (I know I did).
3. You see the Normandy inexplicably fleeing Earth. (This fact alone might be explained by the EC, but...)
4. You see the Normandy involved in a fairly catastrophic explosion inside a mass relay jump.
5. You see the Normandy crashed on a garden paradise world from your memories. (the fact that it is a world from your previous experiences ties in with the idea that your hallucination is assembled from past experiences. However the fact that Normandy crash landed is not a clue- unlikely crash landings happen in sci-fi all the time).
6. You invariably see your LI get out of the Normandy. 

This is the big clue, folks. There is no way LIara would have left Shepard during his darkest trial. There's just no way. There's no way she'd get out of the Normandy and smile. There's just no way. Unless you were hallucinating a good end for her, because that is what the Reapers wanted you to see- or you wanted to see yourself.

Same for EDI if you chose Synthesis. You obviously chose that because of your sympathy with EDI and the Geth (even though both EDI and the Geth specifically warn you not to compromise). So naturally you'd hallucinate EDI and Joker being together. And, again, your LI usually gets out after EDI, so same deal.

This is a huge clue, especially as BW have said that: 

A. You should be wary of the apparenty contradiction about your LI suddenly being so far away.
B. There will be a way to reunite with your LI in the EC.

IT is the only explanation that could account for both these statements. The literal explanation literally precludes a reunion.

QED, anyone watching the ending should see that as a big old fat old big fat WARNING, THIS IS NOT REAL sign.

"You invariably see your LI get out of the Normandy."
This.
In my playthroughs i romance tali and she says "wherever you go, I'm with you."
Then i see her walk out of the Normandy EVERY TIME. First time i saw that i said "WTF?"
IT really is the best, if not only possible explanation for this bullshiet

Modifié par ll PAYASO323 ll, 24 mai 2012 - 03:28 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Have any of you all seen any of Angry Joe videos about Mass effect 3


he is a very picky person.... 
 

edit: im speaking of his review. his indoc video was good.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 mai 2012 - 03:21 .


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dmay7 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know what would be funny if all of this was a story and a grandfather is telling his grandchild about a legend about a person named Shepard that could have done all of this but they don't know what really happened.So the Grandfather makes up a terrible ending and tells his grandchild I will tell another story about Shepard but in a different way. So have we just been playing a fairytale about Shepard and that he May not have existed at all?


I can't post pics yet...so...

*cue 'GTFO' meme*


You do realize I support IT and I am just trying to lighten the mode.


I know, I'd probably break my Xbox if that ever remotley turned out to be the case though lol.

I wouldn't be surprised. There are many clues that ME3 wasn't real.

Shepard hits his head in Vancouver HQ.
Everybody dies there besides Shepard and Anderson.
Many Reapers in close proximity in Vancouver (powerful indoctrination).
The vent boy.
Shreds of paper appearing in dreams and in London.
Object Rho-induced hallucinations.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 03:40 .


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Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.

Wanted to have a picture of the God child and under it it would read the quote.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 mai 2012 - 03:24 .


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bigstig wrote...

Dammit, 2000 pages in a stupid troll spoils the fun - Can we get him banned?


I'ma make this my new forum signature. :happy:


And yeah I was banned for a bit ^_^

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masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women in the game to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 mai 2012 - 03:26 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women in the game to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....

Miranda has a good personality if you get to know her.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women in the game to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....


I personally liked Ashley in ME1, but then got sick of her, and did Miranda in 2, and I really like Liara now, so I did her in 3. I would do Tali during my second playthrough, but I enjoyed Garrus/Tali so much that I couldn't **** block my old Turian friend haha.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....


Hey Ash is a wonderful Person you just need to get to know here,and She lost her father, her squade, and shelost Shepard for 2 years, and now she could have lost her Sister. She thought you dead and Shepard came back like nothing happened so She has every right to be angry at Shepard and that is why I like her. She just dosen't welcome you back like everyon else. You need to regain her trust in order to rekindale the love that was there in ME1.

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dmay7 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women in the game to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....


I personally liked Ashley in ME1, but then got sick of her, and did Miranda in 2, and I really like Liara now, so I did her in 3. I would do Tali during my second playthrough, but I enjoyed Garrus/Tali so much that I couldn't **** block my old Turian friend haha.

As much as I love my Bro Garrus, I love Tali a F***load more.
Ahh well Garrus always has FemShep

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 Hi first time poster in the fourms long time lurker idk if this was pointed out before but...

I want to go back to that thorian indoc thing I think it has a bigger role to play.
This is extreme straw grasping so just bear with me here

This is in part from that viral marketing thing they did a while back with the pics/codes and stuff but one was 55.485, the atomic weight of iron. Now the thorian is located on feros (now the straws come out) ferro which the latian root is ferr which means iron ferro is close to fero so yeah.
Now all thats left is the S at the end and assuming we are dealing with science and chem S is the symbol for sulfur ,now iron plus sulfur then leads to iron-sulfur protein/word theroy. Those two things are set proposals on the origin or life and possibly the thorian in the start of sentient life or something. I really dont know what this has to do with anything or I am thinking way to much into it.  (sorry for poor grammar and spelling and being way off topic ) 

Links: http://en.wikipedia....ur_world_theory
http://dictionary.re...owse/ferro?s=ts

http://en.wikipedia....-sulfur_protein

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HiddenKING wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Dammit, 2000 pages in a stupid troll spoils the fun - Can we get him banned?


I'ma make this my new forum signature. :happy:


And yeah I was banned for a bit ^_^


I love how you just stroll back in here and tell them it was you. XD

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

There is no sensible reason for the Normandy to flee without her captain.  That's just retarded.

The only excuse would have to be that the Normandy was not fleeing at all.  It would have to be attacking something.  A very important something.

That, or the whole crew was deep in the throes of the indoctrination process.


Bolded the important bit. Lots of people think the breath is the most important clue to IT, and it certainly is a big honking clue. But to me, the fate of the Normandy is the biggest clue of all. I mean think about it:

1. You have a conversation with your LI about how you'd like to run away from it all and retire on a deserted planet (does anyone have the text from this dialogue so we can analyze it for clues?)
2. You see your LI on earth, and possibly even take them with you on the final run (I know I did).
3. You see the Normandy inexplicably fleeing Earth. (This fact alone might be explained by the EC, but...)
4. You see the Normandy involved in a fairly catastrophic explosion inside a mass relay jump.
5. You see the Normandy crashed on a garden paradise world from your memories. (the fact that it is a world from your previous experiences ties in with the idea that your hallucination is assembled from past experiences. However the fact that Normandy crash landed is not a clue- unlikely crash landings happen in sci-fi all the time).
6. You invariably see your LI get out of the Normandy. 

This is the big clue, folks. There is no way LIara would have left Shepard during his darkest trial. There's just no way. There's no way she'd get out of the Normandy and smile. There's just no way. Unless you were hallucinating a good end for her, because that is what the Reapers wanted you to see- or you wanted to see yourself.

Same for EDI if you chose Synthesis. You obviously chose that because of your sympathy with EDI and the Geth (even though both EDI and the Geth specifically warn you not to compromise). So naturally you'd hallucinate EDI and Joker being together. And, again, your LI usually gets out after EDI, so same deal.

This is a huge clue, especially as BW have said that: 

A. You should be wary of the apparenty contradiction about your LI suddenly being so far away.
B. There will be a way to reunite with your LI in the EC.

IT is the only explanation that could account for both these statements. The literal explanation literally precludes a reunion.

QED, anyone watching the ending should see that as a big old fat old big fat WARNING, THIS IS NOT REAL sign.

"You invariably see your LI get out of the Normandy."
This.
In my playthroughs i romance tali and she says "wherever you go, I'm with you."
Then i see her walk out of the Normandy EVERY TIME. First time i saw that i said "WTF?"
IT really is the best, if not only possible explanation for this bullshiet




My most recent playthrough I brought along Javik and Garrus on the final push. From the Normandy out steps Garrus and Javik.

Miranda: "We all knew this was likely a one way trip."
Shepard: "We can't worry if the Normandy can get us home we have a job to do."
Joker: "Well we're off to a good start now what?"
Enter ME3 Joker.
Joker: "Ahh freaky (RGB) laser run away!!!!"

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...
"You invariably see your LI get out of the Normandy."
This.
In my playthroughs i romance tali and she says "wherever you go, I'm with you."
Then i see her walk out of the Normandy EVERY TIME. First time i saw that i said "WTF?"
IT really is the best, if not only possible explanation for this bullshiet




My most recent playthrough I brought along Javik and Garrus on the final push. From the Normandy out steps Garrus and Javik.

Miranda: "We all knew this was likely a one way trip."
Shepard: "We can't worry if the Normandy can get us home we have a job to do."
Joker: "Well we're off to a good start now what?"
Enter ME3 Joker.
Joker: "Ahh freaky (RGB) laser run away!!!!"

In all of my playthroughs i ALWAYS have Javik step out the Normandy..
Why is that? I tried not using him once throughout the entire game, and he still shows up at the end

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paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well at least Udine was right about one thing " Do the words political S***storm mean anything to you?" And I miss spelled his name on purpose because I don't give a dame for him after he almost made me kill Ashly my LI.


ashley is your LI?  


I dont like her. I think bioware purposely made the two most physically attractive women in the game to have horrible personalities on purpose. was probably supposed to be some kind of lesson....

Miranda has a good personality if you get to know her.



I never understood the hatred towards Ash. I almost always choose her as a LI and she's always my VS. 

Hell if I ever get around to doing that femshep run I've been meaning to do I'll likely pick Ash as my VS since Kaiden in my opinion is leutenent Blandy McBoring

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HiddenKING wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Dammit, 2000 pages in a stupid troll spoils the fun - Can we get him banned?


I'ma make this my new forum signature. :happy:


And yeah I was banned for a bit ^_^


I am saying only one thing to you, and no more.

The thread was closed, according to Priestly himself, because it was too long. Not by anything from your effort.

Now, I am done with you. Begone.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 24 mai 2012 - 03:52 .


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*cough* back to IT discussion so thread doesn't get locked again *cough*

Anything new? Just droppin' in as I do occasionally. B)

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Go away for the most of a day and you lose 30 pages...so can anyone give me the Cliff notes of what has gone on today?

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Makrys wrote...

*cough* back to IT discussion so thread doesn't get locked again *cough*

Anything new? Just droppin' in as I do occasionally.




We're discussing the the Normandy's miraculous survival of being ripped out of FTL and crashing on a planet somewhere.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Go away for the most of a day and you lose 30 pages...so can anyone give me the Cliff notes of what has gone on today?


Umm nothing new I think. 

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Anywho, hello folks. Working on my script again, almost have it ready for yet more of your enjoyment, but I find myself blocked, when it comes to the Crucible, the scenes I seem to keep writing for them just continually drag, and yet every single one is necessary to understand the whole thing. This is proving difficult.