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[Dendio1]

People have left the story forums due to the extreme amounts of negativity.

Also as far as im concerned IT is now a legit theory.
Bioware left destroy ambiguous so people could fill in their own headcannons.

You say IT, I say Shep and Liara become founders of a community on rannoch for the normandy crew and their families.

[Fingertrip]

What if people are happy with the existing ending, only to realise what they enjoyede ,was shattered by a "theory"?

Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

[RavenEyry]

Fingertrip wrote...
Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

Unless you have insider info at Bioware or some kind of future seeing powers, please stop stating opinions as fact.

[Simon_Says]

Starbuck8 wrote...

True, but most countries, including Canada, don't celebrate Thanksgiving.

What are you talking about? Of course we do! It's just we do it a full month before you do.

HagarIshay wrote...

Some questions, if you don't mind.

So there is that battle for control of Shepard's mind, right? The inodctinated part vs the sane part, In the form of TIM and Anderson. Now, I get why Shepard is controlled by TIM, since it means that the indocrinated part is winning in taking control (up until Shepard shoots TIM/TIM shoots himself, that is). What I don't get is why Anderson is also under TIM's control. I get it if he will be shown weak or something, since Shepard's sanity is loosing itself, but why under TIM's control?

Also, what does TIM shooting himself means? That the reapers having seconds thoughts of controlling Shepard or something?

Shepard shooting Anderson means that Shepard also shot him/herself. So doesn't this means Shepard should die when Anderson dies?

I was never fond of the idea that Anderson/TIM represented 'parts' of Shepard's psyche. I could buy that they were symbolic projections of Shepard's inner struggle against indoctrination, but not that Shepard is 'of two minds'. Also, both Shepard and Anderson were resisting TIM's control attempt, remember? 'TIM' didn't control Anderson, he was trying to. This is Shepard's indoctrination trying to exert itself, not neccesarily being completely succesful at it.

As for TIM dying, that's renegade Shepard taking control of their mind back by confronting and short-circuiting the natural progression of the 'indoctrination mind virus'. Either by directly confronting and attacking it (shooting TIM down) or by revealing the delusions thus convincing it to self destruct.

I don't think though the TIM represents the indoctrinated 'part' of Shepard's psyche, or that Anderson represents the non-indoctrinted part, since I don't think human psyches work like that. But I do think that TIM is a symbolic representation of the growth of the affect that indoctrination has on Shepard's mind (hence why TIM has 'progressed' to blue circuitry since Shepard last saw him) and Anderson represents Shepard's commitment to the mission of destroying the reapers. So they're not so much 'parts' as 'processes' within Shepard's psyche. "TIM's" death stalls the weakening of Shepard's mind to indoctrination. (Ergo the Catalyst can attempt to trick Shepard, but can't assume direct control to any degree,) "Anderson's" death hurt's Shepard's stubborn drive to destroy the reapers. (Ergo Shepard is now open to the idea of Control and Synthesis despite spenidng 2.9 games going after Destroy.)

HagarIshay wrote...

Last question on subject. TIM was never an agent of the reapers. In fact, the reapers seemed to want to destroy sanctuary, showing they don't really support being controlled. TIM says that the reapers are still his enemies. So why show TIM as the indoctrinated part of Shepard, if he was never seem to be indoctrinated until this point, (and if it was all a hallucination in the first place, most likely that TIM is not indoctrinated as far as we know)?

Being indoctrinated doesn't mean you serve the reapers, or are allied with them. Just that your goals and motivations have been aligned with the reapers' agenda. As was noted earlier TIM still wants to fight the reapers, but all of Cerberus' actions still played right into what the reapers would have wanted. TIM was a pawn, not a puppet or servant, but he was indoctrinated nonetheless and so Shepard would associate the two.

Also I had an idea a very long time ago that if Shepard entered a 'reaper concensus' that Anderson and TIM were also in the same indoctrination hallucination, Incpetion style. As in, the confronation was still a dream, but it still involved the actual characters and not Shepard's projections of them. They were all powerful leaders that would be perfect indoctrination targets. Anderson and Shepard are obvious, and as you said, TIM was causing trouble, hence there was likely still some room to indoctrinate him further. I don't know how or why they would all meet up in the same 'location' to have a chat. or how Anderson and Shepard communicated by dream radio.

HagarIshay wrote...

"So, what if you kept the collector base in ME2?

...if Shepard made the immoral choice of retaining a technology that is that perverse and than decides to freely handed it over to the most sinister man in the whole galaxy, it’s pretty clear that Shepard’s resolve to destroy the Reapers has started to wane...."

Shepard says to TIM in ME3 that s/he only kept the base so TIM will find a way to destroy the reapers. Shepard was never on TIM's side throughout all ME3 (up until the very end, which it's totally optional choice of dialogue and doesn't affect anything), and as I said before, TIM was never an agent of the reapers (as far as we and Shepard know), so even siding with him in ME2 shouldn't make a Shepard who kept the base seem weaker than a one who didn't.

What I'm asking is, considering the fact Shepard isn't easier to be indoctrinated if you kept the base and can stand up against the reapers just as much as a Shepard who desotryed the base, what if you kept the collecor base in ME2?

Except Shepard can't stand as well against indoctrination after saving the base. In low-EMS scenarios where Shepard saved the base they are forced to pick Control (or reject). Granted the Catalyst acts pissy because low-EMS Shepard isn't as useful for them as high-EMs Shepard, but the fact remains that a Shepard who saved the base and hasn't prepped the galaxy can't break free of the indoctrination attempt. A low-EMS Shepard who destroyed the base will be mentally resistant to the indoctrination attempt and thus can easily break free. Though of course without backup Shepard will be waking to their death.

Saving the base is Shepard accepting the idea of utilizing the reapers' technology and tactics against them. It's following in TIM's footsteps, essentially.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 29 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

I have a really dumb question to ask. How do I quote multiple users in one post?

[RavenEyry]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have a really dumb question to ask. How do I quote multiple users in one post?

Manually enter quote tags and copy paste. That's how I do it at least.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Fingertrip wrote...

What if people are happy with the existing ending, only to realise what they enjoyede ,was shattered by a "theory"?

Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

Thats the thing.  Very few people are happy with the literal ending. Much of the outcry and negativity on this forum is in reaction to the nonsensical endings. EC was pretty much just sprinkles on a pile of dung if one believes the literal interpretation. 

[Simon_Says]

Just be sure not to copy-paste between standard reply forms or from MS Word. The formatting will cause line breaks when you post it up. Copy from standard reply form to notepad and then to the standard reply form you'll post from.

[Rosewind]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have a really dumb question to ask. How do I quote multiple users in one post?

Usally I oppen each quote in another tab and copy and paste the into one post.

[Ausnuk]

What are we left with?  We are left with those that believe and those that are satisfied.

This fight for Shepard and indeed your mind has not changed with the EC.  Your choice still reflects Bioware original intent.  You have still succumbed to the same viscous mental attack that Harbinger set upon you. You still have the internal struggle of what is the price for freedom.  The endings give little away in that they still are clearly a dream of your own making, the last fleeting moment of peace before you lose it all to Harbinger.  The destroy ending still holds the key to saving what is left of you.  Still the only ending with the breathe scene. Why?

You have fought (played) this long battle over years.  You have in this last journey (game) lost your home, friends, comrades and loved ones.  You are only human.  You are not invincible.  In the last push (scence) of this epic battle you are at the very edge of your resolve.  Standing before you is Harbinger.  You run in what must seem like an impossible task but you go.  The beam is within sight.  Harbinger sees you and in an instance knows he can end this battle for you and take what it has seeked for so long, you’re very self.  The beam strikes you (or does it).  From here you are limited in your powers.  Like the dream you had last night it had no more control.  It had though one thing and that is no lasting effect on your mind.  This dream you are having now will push you until only the most subtle of clues will give you the way out.  Destroying that what you have fought (played) for all these years is the only way.  Once you have seen that you awake, take one breathe and...

My Shepard and in some small way me is still on the ground in London about to stand up.  I have endured up until this point the hell that the Reapers have set upon me and I will not go without exhausting every ounce of fight I have in me.  I will wait until the time has come Bioware for you to allow me the privilege of finishing this fight.  I will prevail. 

To all you in this forum thank you.  I know I am not alone and together we will see this to the end whatever that might be.

Modifié par Ausnuk, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:00 .

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have a really dumb question to ask. How do I quote multiple users in one post?

Usally I oppen each quote in another tab and copy and paste the into one post.

That's the proper way to go.

[TSA_383]

Fingertrip wrote...

What if people are happy with the existing ending, only to realise what they enjoyede ,was shattered by a "theory"?

Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

Without a serious head injury, I'm not quite sure how you could

1-Think that the "literal" endings wouldn't be a complete reversal and bastardisation of every single theme in the entire plot of the mass effect series.
2-Actually think that the last 20 minutes of the game is legit and happening as you see it.

Also, I ****ing love arc grenades. Someone come and supply pylon me so I can spam them again 

Modifié par TSA_383, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:09 .

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

wow it really is slow for a weekend

Edit: YAY 2200!! what so fun about this year....

That we've gotten 86 pages before the lockdown.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:13 .

[estebanus]

Is it bad if I decided to put a virus into the water of D.C. so that everyone affected by radiation is killed by it?

[Fingertrip]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

What if people are happy with the existing ending, only to realise what they enjoyede ,was shattered by a "theory"?

Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

Thats the thing.  Very few people are happy with the literal ending. Much of the outcry and negativity on this forum is in reaction to the nonsensical endings. EC was pretty much just sprinkles on a pile of dung if one believes the literal interpretation. 

I know alot of people who are indeed happy with the ending we've gotten, including myself. Eventho, I believe the indoctrination theory would be abit more awesome. Just because the forum doesn't like it, doesn't mean the entire playerbase disproves it. You're average gammer won't even have look at the forums or care that much, so the ending they recieve is what they get. 

Honestly tho, it doesn't make much sense to add in a "plot-twist" DLC that skews up the existing ending. There's no way from a business-perspective standpoint that it's a good strategy, anyone with a degree in revolving regarding business will tell you this. <_<

[Rosewind]

estebanus wrote...

Is it bad if I decided to put a virus into the water of D.C. so that everyone affected by radiation is killed by it?

Yes, and OMFG why are you listening to President Eden!!!!

[Dam0299]

estebanus wrote...

Is it bad if I decided to put a virus into the water of D.C. so that everyone affected by radiation is killed by it?

If you dont mind alot of bad karma. If you are trying to be a good karma person, I recommend not using it.

[estebanus]

Rosewind wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Is it bad if I decided to put a virus into the water of D.C. so that everyone affected by radiation is killed by it?

Yes, and OMFG why are you listening to President Eden!!!!

Because America needs a strong leader, and the enclave is the organization to give us that leader! All hail John Henry Eden, the great president of America and of our hearts!

[estebanus]

Oh, and that scrapheap that those savages called "Megaton" is also nothing but a smoking crater.

[paxxton]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

What if people are happy with the existing ending, only to realise what they enjoyede ,was shattered by a "theory"?

Bioware isn't going to step on peoples toes- they're not going to verify IT, nor debunk it. It'll just be there for people to interprete, but at the end of the day, the litteral ending for all what's worth, is canon ending now.

Thats the thing.  Very few people are happy with the literal ending. Much of the outcry and negativity on this forum is in reaction to the nonsensical endings. EC was pretty much just sprinkles on a pile of dung if one believes the literal interpretation. 

Whatever is the meaning of the ending had been set in stone long before ME3 was released.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .

[RavenEyry]

Dammit McDowell, get off the internet, you're old!

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dammit McDowell, get off the internet, you're old!

How dare you insult the great president Eden! Here, have a bottle of aqua pura, you savage!

[Rosewind]

estebanus wrote...

Oh, and that scrapheap that those savages called "Megaton" is also nothing but a smoking crater.

You monster .....

[RavenEyry]

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dammit McDowell, get off the internet, you're old!

How dare you insult the great president Eden! Here, have a bottle of aqua pura, you savage!

I'll stick to Nuka Cola thank you! *psst, glorp* Ah, I can feel the tumors already.

[Turbo_J]

Ausnuk wrote...

What are we left with?  We are left with those that believe and those that are satisfied.

This fight for Shepard and indeed your mind has not changed with the EC.  Your choice still reflects Bioware original intent.  You have still succumbed to the same viscous mental attack that Harbinger set upon you. You still have the internal struggle of what is the price for freedom.  The endings give little away in that they still are clearly a dream of your own making, the last fleeting moment of peace before you lose it all to Harbinger.  The destroy ending still holds the key to saving what is left of you.  Still the only ending with the breathe scene. Why?

You have fought (played) this long battle over years.  You have in this last journey (game) lost your home, friends, comrades and loved ones.  You are only human.  You are not invincible.  In the last push (scence) of this epic battle you are at the very edge of your resolve.  Standing before you is Harbinger.  You run in what must seem like an impossible task but you go.  The beam is within sight.  Harbinger sees you and in an instance knows he can end this battle for you and take what it has seeked for so long, you’re very self.  The beam strikes you (or does it).  From here you are limited in your powers.  Like the dream you had last night it had no more control.  It had though one thing and that is no lasting effect on your mind.  This dream you are having now will push you until only the most subtle of clues will give you the way out.  Destroying that what you have fought (played) for all these years is the only way.  Once you have seen that you awake, take one breathe and...

My Shepard and in some small way me is still on the ground in London about to stand up.  I have endured up until this point the hell that the Reapers have set upon me and I will not go without exhausting every ounce of fight I have in me.  I will wait until the time has come Bioware for you to allow me the privilege of finishing this fight.  I will prevail. 

To all you in this forum thank you.  I know I am not alone and together we will see this to the end whatever that might be.

Ouoted for truth and it's a must read. It also happens to be as close to how I feel and see things as it gets.

One more fight, one last push... at least where the Reapers are concerned. My canon Shep is a SPECTER for life.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:41 .