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[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...
The odd thing about that new high EMS escape scene is that it makes the crash landing make even less sense than it did before.

This. Joker trying to escape the beam makes no sense anyway you look at it.

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
The odd thing about that new high EMS escape scene is that it makes the crash landing make even less sense than it did before.

This. Joker trying to escape the beam makes no sense anyway you look at it.

Well, he was just obeying Hacketts orders. 

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
The odd thing about that new high EMS escape scene is that it makes the crash landing make even less sense than it did before.

This. Joker trying to escape the beam makes no sense anyway you look at it.

Well, he was just obeying Hacketts orders. 

Well I was actually talking about the physics of the blast wave.

[TJBartlemus]

 For anyone interested, I added more in my WNT: Evidence entry. It is now at least double or triple the size it was before. (Still have yet to complete Arrival to post my analysis of that...) So please check it out and let me know what you think!!! (Also in sig.)

http://social.biowar...87/blog/217245/

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard has symbolically weakened the "Defender".

...you can also see why he not only looks slightly younger than the Real TIM, (since his appearance here is  based off of what Shepard has seen of him through a QEC) but also why his appearance looks like a husk, when mere hours ago, he looked fine.

1. That's why if you convince him to commit suicide (convince that part of your mind it is wrong) the EMS required for the breath scene is lowered. This also would make no sense in a literal ending. Nothing new there though.

2. Hey! Someone else noticed TIM looks  much younger in the QEC! Could be some sort of auto touch-up software like Allers mentinoned, or TIM trying to hide his implants. Maybe both. Or maybe neither.

Then the QECshop of TIM also made sure to hide his loss of sanity, which is clearly missing during our confrontation on the Citadel...

[GethPrimeMKII]

The blast wave escape makes even less sense when you consider none of the blasts are designed to destroy things like the Normandy.

[paxxton]

I was summoned here to start a discussion. So here it goes: What do you think is going to happen tomorrow after the OP is finished?

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:24 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

It was part of Estebanus' post in a thread about refuse. The part about ravagers and jokes was me. Feel free to use it if you want, but it was originally Estebanus'. I actually have a word doc myself that has some copy paste worthy things some people have said in this thread. I put this there too.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

I was summoned here to start a discussion. So here it goes: What do you think is going to happen tomorrow after the OP is finished?

An announcement of Leviathan. I mean common everyone knows about it. They might as well post something about it on their own website. A release date too. Hopefully tuesday. Probably not.

[Arian Dynas]

HagarIshay wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...
Except Shepard can't stand as well against indoctrination after saving the base. In low-EMS scenarios where Shepard saved the base they are forced to pick Control (or reject). Granted the Catalyst acts pissy because low-EMS Shepard isn't as useful for them as high-EMs Shepard, but the fact remains that a Shepard who saved the base and hasn't prepped the galaxy can't break free of the indoctrination attempt. A low-EMS Shepard who destroyed the base will be mentally resistant to the indoctrination attempt and thus can easily break free. Though of course without backup Shepard will be waking to their death.

Saving the base is Shepard accepting the idea of utilizing the reapers' technology and tactics against them. It's following in TIM's footsteps, essentially.

But I don't understand why Shepard can't break free of the indoctrination attempt if s/he kept the collector base. The base wasn't even near Shepard, the intel or whatever was given to the Alliance to build the Crucible. So why would keeping the base affect Shepard's indoctrination level, or resistance to the indoctrination? 

A Shepard who kept the base maybe wanted to use the reapers' technology against them, but Shepard still wanted to destroy the reapers up until this point. Wether using the reapers' technology or not. So giving Shepard the option of control if s/he kept the base even though s/he had no intention of following TIM's footseps of controling the reapers making little sense to me.  

It's not that Shepard was anywhere near the base, or had more time to be indoctrinated, it's that he kept the base at all.

TIM's "The end justifies the means" philosophy got him indoctrinated. Saren shared that philosophy, keeping the Collector base means that some part of Shepard accepts that the Reapers and their technology, their way of achiving the future is inevitable and must happen, even if he wants to Destroy the Reapers.

Shepard is still accepting that there are parts of them that can be "useful". The ending is not about wanting to Destroy the Reapers, it's about spurning their offers, refusing to accept their continued existence, in Synthesis, Control, and even Reject, Shepard accepts that what he is told by the Reapers is true, and that in some form, the singularity they talk about must happen. Destroy requires no such assumption, in fact it requires the assumption that this singulariy is NOT true.

At higher EMS, Shepard has sufficient willpower to break free, to prove that even though his "end justifies the means" philosophy is a handicap, it is not enough to break him. At low EMS, Shepard lacks this confidence and willpower.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard has symbolically weakened the "Defender".

...you can also see why he not only looks slightly younger than the Real TIM, (since his appearance here is  based off of what Shepard has seen of him through a QEC) but also why his appearance looks like a husk, when mere hours ago, he looked fine.

1. That's why if you convince him to commit suicide (convince that part of your mind it is wrong) the EMS required for the breath scene is lowered. This also would make no sense in a literal ending. Nothing new there though.

2. Hey! Someone else noticed TIM looks  much younger in the QEC! Could be some sort of auto touch-up software like Allers mentinoned, or TIM trying to hide his implants. Maybe both. Or maybe neither.

Then the QECshop of TIM also made sure to hide his loss of sanity, which is clearly missing during our confrontation on the Citadel...

I don't think QEC's alter sanity levels. I think he's crazy because he doesn't exist (at the end).

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

Go ahead. It's from a script I made for how the refusal ending could play out. If I can, I'll provide you with a link.

EDIT: All right Arian, here you go:

"The refusal ending should have had a cutscene with the crucible getting
destroyed, while Hackett dubfoundedly looks at it while a reaper is
approaching from the rear. The officers around keep on asking him what
to do, but he doesn't answer. Then the reaper. arrives. It fires its
beam right into the brig, and the ship explodes.

Then another
cutscene of the Normandy flying away from a reaper.The ship is dodging
the reaper's atacks, but it can't do it for long. One of Shepard's
companions, preferably your LI, tells joker to flee the battle, and that
all hope is lost. The Normandy flees through the mass relay.

Another
cutscene appears showing the fleets being utterly crushed. The destiny
ascension (or a random asari dreadnought, depending on your ME1 choice)
has just finished killing a destroyer, only to be swarmed by two
sovereign-class reapers. Several alliance and turian cruisers are being
utterly ripped apart by a combination of oculi and destroyers. The last
turian and alliance fighters make one last stand against an army of
oculi, and are utterly destroyed. The camera pans out to see the
graveyard of ships the reapers left behind.

Then, a cutscene
appears on earth. You see Jacob and Miranda taking on 3 brutes, and they
manage to kill 2 of them, before the third brute grabs Miranda and
crushes her into the ground. Jacob sees this and destroys the last
brute, only to see 2 banshees coming towards him.

Another
cutscene appears of Jack fighting alongside her students. They kill
slews of husks, but suddenly a destroyer lands right in front of them.
Jack uses all her strength to create a biotic barrier to defend her
students from the beam, and signals them to flee. After the students run
away, she loses the last of her strength, and the reaper's next shot
obliterates her.

Another cutscene appears of Zaeed, Kasumi and
Samara fighting hordes of husks. They kill dozens of them, but in the
end, they're overrun. Zaeed is knocked down by a husk, and two more
husks join the gory fight. Samara is ripped to shreds by marauders, and
Kasumi tries to flees by activating her stealth camo, only to run right
into a banshee and be killed. Wrex is leading several krogan into
battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages
to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of
Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another
dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them.

Major
Coats tries to lead the surviving alliance soldiers into hiding, only
to have Harbinger land right in front of them and vaporize all of them.

Another
cutscene appears of Shepard standing in the final chamber watching it
all. s/he looks at the ship graveyard surrounding the planet, and goes
down on his/her knees, while looking at it all. S/he starts crying,
pulls out the carnifex, and leans it towards his/her head. You then see a
closeup of Shepard where s/he closes his eyes. Then, s/he pulls the
trigger and falls dead to the ground.

Then you see the scene
with with Liara's timecapsule, but instead of the credits rolling
afterwards, an epilogue starts. It is narrated by Liara. Scenes appear
of the Normandy leaving the battle, and the remaining fleets trying to
regroup and getting slowly destroyed over the years. You see how Rannoch
is destroyed, the geth, quarians, or both giving a spirited defense,
but are at last destroyed. You see Palaven burning, and scenes of turian
civilians getting killed by the reapers. You see Thessia's temples
getting overrun by reapers, and you see how the last asari soldiers are
killed in the now partly restored temple of Athame. Another scene
appears with the reapers landing on Tuchanka. Another scene features
dead krogan lying around everywhere. Then, a scene appears with the
Normandy scattering timecapsules throughout the galaxy. Finally, a scene
appears of Joker kissing EDI inside the Normandy's cockpit. Then,
another shows shows how the Normandy is ripped apart by Harbinger.
A last picture shows Liara holding Shepard's old N7 helmet in her hands, and, if she was your LI, kisses it.

Finally, another cutscene shows the newly-made human reaper flying with the reaper fleet back into dark space."

I know it still needs to be refined. This was just a rough idea off the top of my head.

Modifié par estebanus, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

It was part of Estebanus' post in a thread about refuse. The part about ravagers and jokes was me. Feel free to use it if you want, but it was originally Estebanus'. I actually have a word doc myself that has some copy paste worthy things some people have said in this thread. I put this there too.

Yay! People care about me and my posts!

[BansheeOwnage]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The blast wave escape makes even less sense when you consider none of the blasts are designed to destroy things like the Normandy.

And why does a control wave crash the ship? Or systhesis? That makes even less sense. Man it just doesn't make any sense. At all.

Also, since we haven't talked about the crucible discriminating in a while:
If all synthetics are targeted by the destroy wave, why don't all the geth become controlled? And EDI? Either plothole, kid's lying (surprise!) or IT. My money's on the last 2.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

It was part of Estebanus' post in a thread about refuse. The part about ravagers and jokes was me. Feel free to use it if you want, but it was originally Estebanus'. I actually have a word doc myself that has some copy paste worthy things some people have said in this thread. I put this there too.

Yay! People care about me and my posts!

I put it here earlier too but you weren't here. And yes, people care about you. And your posts.

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The blast wave escape makes even less sense when you consider none of the blasts are designed to destroy things like the Normandy.

Shepard becomes the Chuck Norris of the ME franchise: he can't get indoc'd, he survives explosions while standing in the middle of it, doesn't need EVA suits, can survive atmospheric reentry, can crash land without a parachute.
As for the Normandy and engineering, having better war resolve raises your endine's maximum velocity without causing random fire breakouts, escaping a shockwave or being hit by it has the same effect: you Adama-crash on a planet, but that is no problem because a handful of a crew is enough to rebuilt and polish the ship and let it fly off into the sunset.

And all of that is introduced within the last 15 minutes. What an accomplishment.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

It was part of Estebanus' post in a thread about refuse. The part about ravagers and jokes was me. Feel free to use it if you want, but it was originally Estebanus'. I actually have a word doc myself that has some copy paste worthy things some people have said in this thread. I put this there too.

Yay! People care about me and my posts!

Well congratulations, this and other awesome moments will be working their way into flashbacks from Mass Effect: Awakening

[GethPrimeMKII]

A while ago someone posted a comical dialogue regarding the crucible inspired by Family Guy in this thread. Does anyone have a link to it?

[Arian Dynas]

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Although, there is one pie I like the most, and you can't find that one in a bakery

Humble pie?

Bush-Hair pie. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Although, there is one pie I like the most, and you can't find that one in a bakery

Humble pie?

Bush-Hair pie. 

Oh, since you're talking about pie anyway, I have to say: The pie was good. Really good.

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus I read this
"Wrex is leading several krogan into battle to rescue captain Kirrahe from being surrounded, and he manages to break through to him. However, more husks appear, And all of Kirrahee's and Wrex's men are killed, leaving only them. When another dozen of brutes and banshees appear, they both charge towards them."

Just change it to ravagers and this is actually really, really good. It would then be a nod to the joke about a krogan and a salarian fighting in the rachni wars. The one you hear both telling! It would be brilliant!

Eh? What's this from, and can I steal it?

It was part of Estebanus' post in a thread about refuse. The part about ravagers and jokes was me. Feel free to use it if you want, but it was originally Estebanus'. I actually have a word doc myself that has some copy paste worthy things some people have said in this thread. I put this there too.

Yay! People care about me and my posts!

Well congratulations, this and other awesome moments will be working their way into flashbacks from Mass Effect: Awakening

Not sure if being insultingly sarcastic...

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The blast wave escape makes even less sense when you consider none of the blasts are designed to destroy things like the Normandy.

Shepard becomes the Chuck Norris of the ME franchise: he can't get indoc'd, he survives explosions while standing in the middle of it, doesn't need EVA suits, can survive atmospheric reentry, can crash land without a parachute.
As for the Normandy and engineering, having better war resolve raises your endine's maximum velocity without causing random fire breakouts, escaping a shockwave or being hit by it has the same effect: you Adama-crash on a planet, but that is no problem because a handful of a crew is enough to rebuilt and polish the ship and let it fly off into the sunset.

And all of that is introduced within the last 15 minutes. What an accomplishment.

That's halarious when you put it like that. But seriously, one of my favourite things about Shepard is that there is nothing special about her/him. Just a soldier; a person. No magical powers, no plot armour. Until, like you said, the last 15 minutes.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Well congratulations, this and other awesome moments will be working their way into flashbacks from Mass Effect: Awakening

Not sure if being insultingly sarcastic...

He's being serious. Seriously. You should feel awesome.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:39 .

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

So when Shepard gets near-hit by that beam, who's to say that it didn't leave Shep in a coma?  The Reapers could have swept in, grabbed his body, popped out the brain, plugged the brain into the Matrix, and then simulated the rest of the game.  Control, Synthesis, and Destroy would become a measure of how useful that brain's mindset could be to the Reapers in terms of direct application: Control represents a brain willing to direct action, Synthesis represents a brain with useful enough thought patterns to be dispersed and replicated, and Destroy would.... I dunno.

And the breath scene was Shepard's spare brain kicking in.

Exactly! 

Ah, the benefits of a redundant nervous system.

Yeah, humans don't have those.

Ah.

Must have hurt then.