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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

but on topic, i know Banshee posted something awhile back saying that with Rio and Hydra being the only maps that we dont see in SP, it hints that Rio will be in future DLC, and that he believes firebase Hydra was most likely the map where we enter the Geth consensus. just wanted to say that Hydra is not that mission, the Geth consensus took place on Rannoch, and firebase Hydra is on the planet Arvuna.

It also says Condor is on Palaven, not Menae. I blame the name as either a cover, or a mistake.

really? that is weird. Menae is Palavens moon, so maybe thats the reasoning.
but this is just messed up though, heres the wiki link for firebase hydra, including the description of the map shown on the bioware blog before the map was released. now i dont know what to think

Ontarom? Interesting. That was the ME1 planet with the Toombs mission, I believe. Sad they didn't mention him at all in ME3 (if he survived ME1)

It's also where Firebase Dagger is.


Toombs is dead, so I hear tell.

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Hey Arian, my cousin's got something to tell ya...

www.youtube.com/watch

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Good god this guy is stone headed. Dealing with anti- IT troll and I just want to bang my head against a wall. It's in the thread about the point of the Arrival DLC. I believe Arian would be perfect for debating with this guy.

http://social.biowar...1696/6#13403241

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:12 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@TSA- I think they have to make at least some of the goals possible. Otherwise why play MP?

The point is, the operations are always swayed one way or the other to keep us on the storyline.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if we ever found out if we'd won a meant-to-lose operation or lost a meant-to-win operation :lol:

lex0r11 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

[...]

I actually don't have a demolisher, I was piggybacking FFZero's supply pylon using a hot pink and lime green quarian engineer Image IPB


So it was you who was nicking all my grenades! 


Yeah, did that to me too. Begged me to stay for another round with my pylon. lulz. Image IPB

Okay, enough off-topic.

15 PSPs...
Still no N7 characters for me Image IPB :(


I got my N7 Destroyer, and an N7 Slayer today. :D

I love the Destroyer's multi grenade launcher. Carnally.

I keep getting told the missles the Destroyer gets suck though. I didn't put any points in them, starting to wonder what they would be like if I had... :unsure:



-50% maximum shields while it is activated, they do not do much damage, they do however stagger most enemies they hit. but you can point it so its only a 35% shield reduction and increase its damage.

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elegolas1 wrote...

Do you guys still think that a "real ending" DLC will come out to reveal IT?
What is the future of the IT?

I am leaning more in the direction of the IT being an ambiguous interpretation. Intentional, but never meant to be expanded upon. Would you be satisfied with something like that?


As far as I am concerned, I see IT being revealed via a flashback DLC, meant to act as a bridge to ME4.

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

*Sigh* I haven't visited this thread in quite a while; I've been playing the MP and listening to nerfe-- I mean balancers for the last month. Seems there are a bunch of new supporters and a lot less of the old ones.

How's the IT been faring these days? Still going strong(ish)?


Few trolls and naysayers here and there, but overall I say the IT is still going strong.


It seems mostly like MP talk and random, off-topic crap. I'd ask how this hasn't been locked yet, but we all know how much BioWare loves to be involved with the SP discussion section.


I'm still here, thank you VERY much.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Hey Arian, my cousin's got something to tell ya...

www.youtube.com/watch


You are a strange little man. And I pity you. :happy:

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Dam0299 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@TSA- I think they have to make at least some of the goals possible. Otherwise why play MP?

The point is, the operations are always swayed one way or the other to keep us on the storyline.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if we ever found out if we'd won a meant-to-lose operation or lost a meant-to-win operation :lol:

lex0r11 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

[...]

I actually don't have a demolisher, I was piggybacking FFZero's supply pylon using a hot pink and lime green quarian engineer Image IPB


So it was you who was nicking all my grenades! 


Yeah, did that to me too. Begged me to stay for another round with my pylon. lulz. Image IPB

Okay, enough off-topic.

15 PSPs...
Still no N7 characters for me Image IPB :(


I got my N7 Destroyer, and an N7 Slayer today. :D

I love the Destroyer's multi grenade launcher. Carnally.

I keep getting told the missles the Destroyer gets suck though. I didn't put any points in them, starting to wonder what they would be like if I had... :unsure:



-50% maximum shields while it is activated, they do not do much damage, they do however stagger most enemies they hit. but you can point it so its only a 35% shield reduction and increase its damage.


Sounds like shoulder missles are better in theory than in practice...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

*Sigh* I haven't visited this thread in quite a while; I've been playing the MP and listening to nerfe-- I mean balancers for the last month. Seems there are a bunch of new supporters and a lot less of the old ones.

How's the IT been faring these days? Still going strong(ish)?


Few trolls and naysayers here and there, but overall I say the IT is still going strong.


It seems mostly like MP talk and random, off-topic crap. I'd ask how this hasn't been locked yet, but we all know how much BioWare loves to be involved with the SP discussion section.


I'm still here, thank you VERY much.


You are welcome. And since you're talking about it, the missiles on the Destroyer are completely useless.

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

You are welcome. And since you're talking about it, the missiles on the Destroyer are completely useless.


Not really, they have a high Force meaning they stagger many enemies they hit. Run with trible missiles and fast firing speed and the missiles will stagger alot of low enemies. Has saved my ass and helped me greatly with lining up shots.

Also any news on the Holiday items on Vancouver?

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:47 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Hey Arian, my cousin's got something to tell ya...

www.youtube.com/watch


You are a strange little man. And I pity you. :happy:


Charlie the Drunk Guinea Pig is the greatest thing since cheese. He should replace miniature giant space hamster.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Hey Arian, my cousin's got something to tell ya...

www.youtube.com/watch


You are a strange little man. And I pity you. :happy:


Charlie the Drunk Guinea Pig is the greatest thing since cheese. He should replace miniature giant space hamster.



RAAAAASK! You are a silly little man who speaks heresy! STARE INTO THE EYES OF MY HAMPSTER! LET BOO LOOK DEEP INTO YOUR SOUL, EVILDOER! GO FOR THE EYES BOO! GO FOR THE EYES!

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@TSA- I think they have to make at least some of the goals possible. Otherwise why play MP?

The point is, the operations are always swayed one way or the other to keep us on the storyline.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if we ever found out if we'd won a meant-to-lose operation or lost a meant-to-win operation :lol:

lex0r11 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

[...]

I actually don't have a demolisher, I was piggybacking FFZero's supply pylon using a hot pink and lime green quarian engineer Image IPB


So it was you who was nicking all my grenades! 


Yeah, did that to me too. Begged me to stay for another round with my pylon. lulz. Image IPB

Okay, enough off-topic.

15 PSPs...
Still no N7 characters for me Image IPB :(


I got my N7 Destroyer, and an N7 Slayer today. :D

I love the Destroyer's multi grenade launcher. Carnally.

I keep getting told the missles the Destroyer gets suck though. I didn't put any points in them, starting to wonder what they would be like if I had... :unsure:



-50% maximum shields while it is activated, they do not do much damage, they do however stagger most enemies they hit. but you can point it so its only a 35% shield reduction and increase its damage.


Sounds like shoulder missles are better in theory than in practice...


I use it but i toggle it on and off depending on the situation, If im dealing with a few troops at close range I will have it on (staggers who it hits) or anything at long range that is not focusing on me. If however I am fighting heaps of enemies in close quarters I will toggle it off to allow my shields to regain their max potential. (Devastator modes max lvl can upgrade shield by 40%, negating most of the original shield loss) but still with devastator mode up you will deal heaps of damage and be more accurate, but with the missle launcher you will lose precious shielding and with the DM up you will not be able to move fast or side jump away from a pesky grenade.

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well, if nobody else is going to answer, **** no. i cannot think of a worse ending than "think your own". i would not have spent 96 bucks on the collectors edition if i knew i was going to have to make up my own ending. i payed bioware to deliver at the very least a satisfying end to a phenomenal series, and was given a total piece of crap that not only stank, but badmouthed the themes and characters id come to love over this amazing story. then came the IT, and all of the sudden i fell back in love even harder. having to read some stupid*ss fanfic about IT that was written by some 16 year old while he was putting off math homework because bioware decided not to do their series justice is the last thing i want to do. having an entertainment company tell us to pay to make up our own ending is hands down the most rediculous thing ive ever heard. its like paying a roof cleaning service to whipe out your gutters, and they only clean half. when you ask wtf is up with that, they tell you to just "think the rest gone"


I agree with you there.
What do you think is likely to happen and why?

I think a "real ending" DLC is very possible.

As Casey Hudson
said back in 2011: For the few months following a game's release,
Bioware really pays attention to the fan's input, criticism, feedback,
etc. Casey then said something along the lines that Bioware will then
create something similar, but not exact, to what the majority of the
fans want to see. Not exact, because Bioware still would want to
surprise everyone.

So, a few months after ME3 came out, and IT
became a hot topic, Chris Priestly created a poll asking if people
believed in IT. To this day, the results are roughly...

80% - Yes
20% - No

I think that means something.

EDIT:
IT'ers still respect Bioware. We don't complain about "bad writing".
And after 4,500 pages of (mostly) IT related speculation, which is what
Bioware wants, it proves we are dedicated.


I guess people want a refusal conventional victory, and that could tie in very well with IT.

Arian Dynas wrote...

elegolas1 wrote...

Do you guys still think that a "real ending" DLC will come out to reveal IT?
What is the future of the IT?

I am leaning more in the direction of the IT being an ambiguous interpretation. Intentional, but never meant to be expanded upon. Would you be satisfied with something like that?


As far as I am concerned, I see IT being revealed via a flashback DLC, meant to act as a bridge to ME4.


What makes you think that?

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Night guys/ladys. Don't let the Reapers get in your heads.

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Another reason Arrival must be canon despite that note about marines (which my be the result of mixed signals at Bioware): Shepard shouldn't be under arrest without it. People keep saying that it was because of their work with cerberus, but it can't because Shepards a spectre. Heck, if the original council is alive they even endorse Shepard working with cerberus for the time being. Then Arrival happens and Hackett says you'll be arrested for this after you finish your work with cerberus and it's implied Shepard even turns themselves over.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Another reason Arrival must be canon despite that note about marines (which my be the result of mixed signals at Bioware): Shepard shouldn't be under arrest without it. People keep saying that it was because of their work with cerberus, but it can't because Shepards a spectre. Heck, if the original council is alive they even endorse Shepard working with cerberus for the time being. Then Arrival happens and Hackett says you'll be arrested for this after you finish your work with cerberus and it's implied Shepard even turns themselves over.


James also mentions the events of the comic IN GAME. EXPLICITLY.

Shepard is incarcerated because of it, the events are mentioned explicitly in game, it's in an offical comic book, which Bioware says is canon.

Arrival is canon, QED, discussion closed.

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elegolas1 wrote...


well, if nobody else is going to answer, **** no. i cannot think of a worse ending than "think your own". i would not have spent 96 bucks on the collectors edition if i knew i was going to have to make up my own ending. i payed bioware to deliver at the very least a satisfying end to a phenomenal series, and was given a total piece of crap that not only stank, but badmouthed the themes and characters id come to love over this amazing story. then came the IT, and all of the sudden i fell back in love even harder. having to read some stupid*ss fanfic about IT that was written by some 16 year old while he was putting off math homework because bioware decided not to do their series justice is the last thing i want to do. having an entertainment company tell us to pay to make up our own ending is hands down the most rediculous thing ive ever heard. its like paying a roof cleaning service to whipe out your gutters, and they only clean half. when you ask wtf is up with that, they tell you to just "think the rest gone"


I agree with you there.
What do you think is likely to happen and why?

I think a "real ending" DLC is very possible.

As Casey Hudson
said back in 2011: For the few months following a game's release,
Bioware really pays attention to the fan's input, criticism, feedback,
etc. Casey then said something along the lines that Bioware will then
create something similar, but not exact, to what the majority of the
fans want to see. Not exact, because Bioware still would want to
surprise everyone.

So, a few months after ME3 came out, and IT
became a hot topic, Chris Priestly created a poll asking if people
believed in IT. To this day, the results are roughly...

80% - Yes
20% - No

I think that means something.

EDIT:
IT'ers still respect Bioware. We don't complain about "bad writing".
And after 4,500 pages of (mostly) IT related speculation, which is what
Bioware wants, it proves we are dedicated.


I guess people want a refusal conventional victory, and that could tie in very well with IT.

Arian Dynas wrote...

elegolas1 wrote...

Do you guys still think that a "real ending" DLC will come out to reveal IT?
What is the future of the IT?

I am leaning more in the direction of the IT being an ambiguous interpretation. Intentional, but never meant to be expanded upon. Would you be satisfied with something like that?


As far as I am concerned, I see IT being revealed via a flashback DLC, meant to act as a bridge to ME4.


What makes you think that?


Go here; 
http://social.biowar.../index/12162340 

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Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard's resolve has started to wane, because he let up on that diamond hard core of anathema. He is willing to accept that there is some part of the Reapers that is useful, and can be turned to good purposes, even if it means seizing a base where people got liqufied.

The fact is, the Reapers, by their very nature, are damaging to others with their existence.

 

Thanks for the answer. Just having a problem with this.

Shepard also uses the Mass Relays, the Thanix cannon, Reaper IFF, the Citadel...

Shepard always saw the Reapers' technology as useful, even when it was dangerous. Shepard keeping the base is just one more thing Shepard saw as useful. Why is it so different than all the others?

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HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard's resolve has started to wane, because he let up on that diamond hard core of anathema. He is willing to accept that there is some part of the Reapers that is useful, and can be turned to good purposes, even if it means seizing a base where people got liqufied.

The fact is, the Reapers, by their very nature, are damaging to others with their existence.

 

Thanks for the answer. Just having a problem with this.

Shepard also uses the Mass Relays, the Thanix cannon, Reaper IFF, the Citadel...

Shepard always saw the Reapers' technology as useful, even when it was dangerous. Shepard keeping the base is just one more thing Shepard saw as useful. Why is it so different than all the others?


Because s/he was handing it over exclusivley to Cerberus, who he knew he couldn't trust.

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HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard's resolve has started to wane, because he let up on that diamond hard core of anathema. He is willing to accept that there is some part of the Reapers that is useful, and can be turned to good purposes, even if it means seizing a base where people got liqufied.

The fact is, the Reapers, by their very nature, are damaging to others with their existence.

 

Thanks for the answer. Just having a problem with this.

Shepard also uses the Mass Relays, the Thanix cannon, Reaper IFF, the Citadel...

Shepard always saw the Reapers' technology as useful, even when it was dangerous. Shepard keeping the base is just one more thing Shepard saw as useful. Why is it so different than all the others?


I knew that was coming, I KNEW it. I KNEW I would have to explain this one.

Ok, the difference between the Thanix Cannon, (perhaps) The Citadel (We don't know if there really IS a "calming" and "denial" effect or not) the Mass Relays, Legion's Reaper Code, and other various things, is that they are re-purposed

When Legion disseminated the code among the Geth, he was NOT spreading the Reaper Code, Legion had used the Reaper code as a jumping off point to make his own code, paring out the parts he didn't like, he wasn't using Reaper Code, he was using his own code based OFF Reaper code.

The same applies with the Thanix, we aren't using Sovereign's actual main gun, merely the technological principles it's based on, we took their knowledge, made it our own and seized it for ourselves, it wasn't given to us, we stole it. We took it by force, we made our own future, taking longer, and gaining a lesser understanding of it, but we didn't sacrifice ourselves, our autonomy, for the future promised by the Reapers.

Using the base is choosing to make use of a tool that was used for something that was, to be entirely honest, out and out evil. It would be like trying to use the butcher knife that Michael Myers used for his murders as a butcher knife again. Not that there is anything wrong with the knife itself, but you are basically signaling that the lives taken BY that tool meant nothing to you. Keeping the base has no practical or impractical effect, it is entirely symbolic.

The Mass Relays likely do not have the tell-tale marks of Reaper tech, because, if the they had included them, what civilization would make use of a technology that destroyed the mental faculties of anyone who used it? They would develop their own, safer method, which is what the Reapers do not want. They want to lure organics into their net, they want it to appear safe, just like the FTL protocols that keep FTL drives from activating if there is something in the way. It appears to be a safety measure, but in reality, it's designed to keep organics from ramming ships into the sides of Reapers at light speed.

They manipulate, they control, they deceive, it is their nature to do so.

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HagarIshay wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Shepard's resolve has started to wane, because he let up on that diamond hard core of anathema. He is willing to accept that there is some part of the Reapers that is useful, and can be turned to good purposes, even if it means seizing a base where people got liqufied.

The fact is, the Reapers, by their very nature, are damaging to others with their existence.

 

Thanks for the answer. Just having a problem with this.

Shepard also uses the Mass Relays, the Thanix cannon, Reaper IFF, the Citadel...

Shepard always saw the Reapers' technology as useful, even when it was dangerous. Shepard keeping the base is just one more thing Shepard saw as useful. Why is it so different than all the others?

I'll take this one, then go to bed.Image IPB

Mass relays: They aren't even a question. Not using them would be like not using guns. They are simply necessary.

Citadel: Virtually the same as the relays.

IFF: It was required to pass through the relay vs. the base which is not. I think I missed another good reason. Tired.

Thanix cannon: Easiest. It's reverse-engineered not "used". In the same sense as Legion "using" reaper code to bring sentience to the Geth. An analogy: He read the reaper's book and took its knowledge; its information. He then used it for his own ends. He didn't use the book itself. That's like saying if you understand how the relays work, you're using reaper tech because they invented them. This isn't true.

Base: Using it would not only be stupid in hindsight (even though it doesn't really count) but also at the time. Why? Well spending time near reaper tech doesn't end well for one. There is also a question of morality.

Image IPB by Arian. (Surprise!) Goodnight all!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:49 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

The Mass Relays likely do not have the tell-tale marks of Reaper tech, because, if the they had included them, what civilization would make use of a technology that destroyed the mental faculties of anyone who used it?

This could also be because the reapers' creators also created the relays.

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Oh, and the Reaper IFF, for all we know could actually be working to indoctrinate Shepard, and even if it is not, it summoned the Collectors before EDI could cut it off

Basically, while Reaper Tech, by it's nature is damaging due to the things the Reapers do, the scientific principles it is based on are not.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Mass Relays likely do not have the tell-tale marks of Reaper tech, because, if the they had included them, what civilization would make use of a technology that destroyed the mental faculties of anyone who used it?

This could also be because the reapers' creators also created the relays.


That could be true, yet still be true when Sovereign states that the relays are the reapers technolodgy as when they harvest races they gain all of their knowledge and technolodgy.