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[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

Hold on, let him state his evidence.  No offence ot Epyon, but I could use a good laugh today. 

[DJBare]

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

^This^
At no point is Shepard on the crucible.

[EpyonX3]

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

No joke. *TIM voice* "Have a little faith"

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

Hold on, let him state his evidence.  No offence ot Epyon, but I could use a good laugh today. 

Aww come on guys give me some credit

Modifié par EpyonX3, 24 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[RavenEyry]

blooregard wrote...

As a point I wanted to add to my "ME2 were the machinations of an elaborate Reaper plot" theory when you defeat the Collectors (either through explosion or radiatoin pulse) Harbinger says "YOU HAVE FAILED...WE WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY". This could be pointing to the Collectors were unable to capture/kill/indoctrinate Shepard so he could lead the galaxy to destruction.

That's... actually a very good point. The 'other way' can't have been to invade manually and make more human reapers along the way because they were planning that anyway. Just what was Harby referring to is something I'd never thought of, even though I know that line well.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

No joke. *TIM voice* "Have a little faith"

Faith?  When you're asking for it in TIM voice?  I reject the concept!

[DJBare]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

Hold on, let him state his evidence.  No offence ot Epyon, but I could use a good laugh today. 

Well, I'll certainly be interested in this evidence, my last view was looking up at the crucible after a nice chit chat with starbinger.

[blooregard]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

Yes after his plot armor was burned away Shepard managed to make it to the crucible (something that was exposed to vaccum unless proven otherwise), survive an explosion that broke the citadel apart and made Tunguska look like a fire ******, survive real exposure to vaccum (without a helmet), survive uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry (without a helmet) and impact at terminal velocity with a planet (also without a helmet). After his ME2 cause of death he managed to find himself alive on Earth (possibly in the same place the conduit was) and he begins breathing.

[JasonSic]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

lol I'm excited to see your 'evidence'.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

Epyon, that is a fools errand. You're starting to sound like Paxxton with his nanides.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

I hope thats a joke since you only have to look up to see the crucible above you.

Hold on, let him state his evidence.  No offence ot Epyon, but I could use a good laugh today. 

Aww come on guys give me some credit

I do have to admit, you've come up with some interesting points of discussion before, but this just seems so ludicrous, even approaching it from a literalist stand point.  Besides, if Shepard really was on the Crucible, than someone frakked up big time.  "Oh look, we're going to design the Crucible so that you have to shoot a tube to activate it!"

Edit: That would definitely be one of the biggest derp moments I could think of, especially if Mordin is alive and working on it.  I know he's not in my playthrough, but still.

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[blooregard]

I'll just put this here for now.

[D.Sharrah]

Two notes...

1. Isn't there a QE comm on the Normandy where Shepard refers to Anderson as Admiral...only to have Anderson tell him not to be so formal? Can't remember the exact timing of it in game, but I want to say that is shortly after leaving Earth, mayber after finishing the mission on Menae...

2. I'm not convinced that the Crucible itself is the trap...I think that the Conduit is the trap (in fact I think that it is a device similar to the Reaper indoctrination device from Aequitas and Object Rho). I get the feeling that the "Waking Nightmare Theory" could very well be in play (in that what we see during the entire game is a mix of reality and hallucination) and that at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).

As ME 3 progresses the Reapers learn of the Crucible and that it very well maybe the key to their defeat. They also learn that we do not have/know everything that we need to complete it - so they start to lay the groundwork for a plan meant to play on the galaxy's desperation . It starts with using their indoctrinated agent TIM, to create another opponent to distract us from finding what it is we need to finish the Crucible. While also moving their pawn into the position that not only can he steal the data that we need, but be in the position to plant false (or partially false) information for us to follow...which leads to the revelation that Citadel is the catalyst.

At this point, they enact the last stage of their devious plan. They move the Citadel to Earth's orbit, close the arms and leack false intel that makes it appear that the "Conduit" is the only way to access the Citadel. Of course this is all done as a trap to lure the united fleet and more specifically Shepard in their trap - a trap designed with two purposes in mind, bring all of their enemies to one front and give them one last opportunity to complete the indoctrination of what would be their ultimate sleep agent.

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...
 "Oh look, we're going to design the Crucible so that you have to shoot a tube to activate it!"

"While we're at it, let's paint a mural of the crucible on the control rooms ceiling!"

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.

well technically hes not on the citadel.....hes in a dream.

[DJBare]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Two notes...

1. Isn't there a QE comm on the Normandy where Shepard refers to Anderson as Admiral...only to have Anderson tell him not to be so formal? Can't remember the exact timing of it in game, but I want to say that is shortly after leaving Earth, mayber after finishing the mission on Menae...

No, Shepard refers to Anderson as "sir"; that's why Anderson responded I did not give you permission to go all formal on me.

[blooregard]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Two notes...

1. Isn't there a QE comm on the Normandy where Shepard refers to Anderson as Admiral...only to have Anderson tell him not to be so formal? Can't remember the exact timing of it in game, but I want to say that is shortly after leaving Earth, mayber after finishing the mission on Menae...

2. I'm not convinced that the Crucible itself is the trap...I think that the Conduit is the trap (in fact I think that it is a device similar to the Reaper indoctrination device from Aequitas and Object Rho). I get the feeling that the "Waking Nightmare Theory" could very well be in play (in that what we see during the entire game is a mix of reality and hallucination) and that at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).

As ME 3 progresses the Reapers learn of the Crucible and that it very well maybe the key to their defeat. They also learn that we do not have/know everything that we need to complete it - so they start to lay the groundwork for a plan meant to play on the galaxy's desperation . It starts with using their indoctrinated agent TIM, to create another opponent to distract us from finding what it is we need to finish the Crucible. While also moving their pawn into the position that not only can he steal the data that we need, but be in the position to plant false (or partially false) information for us to follow...which leads to the revelation that Citadel is the catalyst.

At this point, they enact the last stage of their devious plan. They move the Citadel to Earth's orbit, close the arms and leack false intel that makes it appear that the "Conduit" is the only way to access the Citadel. Of course this is all done as a trap to lure the united fleet and more specifically Shepard in their trap - a trap designed with two purposes in mind, bring all of their enemies to one front and give them one last opportunity to complete the indoctrination of what would be their ultimate sleep agent.

If this is the case I'd actually be pretty mad. This IMO would be worse then the endings we got where we still "beat" the Reapers. This ending we have defeat, defeat, or defeat. The only way this could work is if the Reapers could be beaten conventionally (and while our cycle certainly has the best chance out of everyone it still seems unlikely)

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
 "Oh look, we're going to design the Crucible so that you have to shoot a tube to activate it!"

"While we're at it, let's paint a mural of the crucible on the control rooms ceiling!"

"Brilliant!  And oh yeah, while we're doing that, let's make it so that in order for it to be activated in any other way you have to either jump into a beam of energy and dissolve, or you have to grab two electrical things and disintigrate!" 

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[DJBare]

D.Sharrah wrote...
2. I'm not convinced that the Crucible itself is the trap...I think that the Conduit is the trap (in fact I think that it is a device similar to the Reaper indoctrination device from Aequitas and Object Rho). I get the feeling that the "Waking Nightmare Theory" could very well be in play (in that what we see during the entire game is a mix of reality and hallucination) and that at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).

I'm answering this one seperately, I'm convinced it's a trap after we fitted it with a human reaper heart, not to mention it's a war asset the player cannot avoid, it's forced upon you.

[D.Sharrah]

The only way I could even comprhend the idea of Shepard on the crucible is he you are talking about after he travels on the elevator of light...and even that doesn't make alot of sense. Of course I am becoming more and more convinced that Shepard never left London.

[dreamgazer]

SmawgSS wrote...

2nd, anyone ever see the movie Inception? It's an interesting concept....

Indeed, and so are the concepts in Dreamscape, Brazil, Solaris, Total Recall, Wrath of Khan, and many other entries in the sci-fi genre that have pivoted on similar notions. The global precedent's there, undoubtedly, but it's not something they can utterly rely on.  

I do think they could've had thoughts that looked like this: "Well, plenty of science-fiction people have seen [insert movie here] and [insert movie here], so this and that won't be too off-the-wall". 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 24 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[D.Sharrah]

DJBare wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Two notes...

1. Isn't there a QE comm on the Normandy where Shepard refers to Anderson as Admiral...only to have Anderson tell him not to be so formal? Can't remember the exact timing of it in game, but I want to say that is shortly after leaving Earth, mayber after finishing the mission on Menae...

No, Shepard refers to Anderson as "sir"; that's why Anderson responded I did not give you permission to go all formal on me.

Ah yesss...that's right.  Forgive me I couldn't remember the exact details.  So the debate continues to rage...

[HellishFiend]

IsaacShep wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The player can still notice that some types of plants are used in nearly any part of the game. Combine that with the nudge that you can ask Avina about the plants on the Citadel. That makes it very much seem like it was done on purpose.

Yeah, he could notice the same textures being used in ME2 and ME1 as well. Same crates in all 3 games, same vehicles, same clothes etc etc. Guess the entire trilogy was one giant indoctrination.

I know you're saying that sarcastically, but you're probably closer to the truth than you realize. 

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think this is Jack?

btw it reads:
UV
EFGHIJK
that's cheap

Also I noticed in the ARMALI ads the alien stuff is ASMALI... strange ^^

[EpyonX3]

OK guys and gals here it is.




What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?



They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.

And look at this!


The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:

1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)